Official Transaction Ideas thread

[LApwnd]

^^^the guy I was responding too seems to think Williams is some sort missing piece to this team. With that Phil deal, who do you get back as backup C? Please dont say Brand, with him and Bynum on this team, its only a matter of time before we end up having to play Odom at C when both go down with some sort of season ending injuries. If not Brand, then Hawes? The 7 foot wannabe Dirk who likes to chuck 3's instead of banging inside or the dumb **** Speights?

i never said Williams is the missing piece, im saying that it would fix one of our problems. I am also 100 percent sure that in my posts i stated that i want another talented big man on our team in a three team trade involving Lou Williams and Gasol like Josh Smith

post it then, I like to see how you expect to get Smith from Atl.....Lou William doens't fix anything on D, for as quick as he was did you see him in that Mia series? All he cared about was his offense, sure thats good thing at times here as Fish never really put any pressure on opposing PG to defend him but our problem wasn't the offense, they couldn't guard even bench scrubs like JJ Barera and considering Williams didn't seem to keen on stopping bums like Bibby/Chalmers I dont see him fixing the problem.

[TheHartBreakKid]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6j2u6lz

Am I crazy or does everyone benefit from this trade? (Us benefiting the most obviously )

Lakers in:
Iggy
Mayo
Varajao
Lakers out:
Artest
Bynum
Future 1st

Memphis in:
Lou Williams
Future Lakers 1st
Future Protected Sixers pic
Memphis out:
OJ Mayo

Clevland in:
Speights
Nocioni (Expiring)
Cleveland out:
Varajao

76ers in:
Bynum
Ron Artest
76ers out:
Speightts
Iggy
Williams
future 1st
Why for us: We gain Shooting, and athleticism, still get avery soild big. WE could sign Kmart for the part of the MLE, and maybe another big body. I hate trading Bynum since he's one of my favorite players, but I think with Gasols value being the lowest it has ever been, and Drew's injuries still being a problem, its hard to not pull the trigger on this trade. Mayo showed that he could guard point guards, and he has alot of potential. He could back up Kobe and finish the game beside him, and our second unit with LO/Mayo would be one of the best in the league. I think the talent we gain from this trade is ridiculous.

Why for the Grizzlies:
The Grizz just said that they aren't trading Rudy, and there is no reason for them to keep OJ around, with Allen/Young/Battier? filling up the wing positions and no need for a ballhandler as they Conley, with Gay being the go to perimeter guy. They gain Williams who could basically give them what Mayo was giving them, but won't demand as much money nor will he give chemistry issues. They almost traded OJ for far less earlier. They also gain 2 first rounders.

why for the cavs: Very simple. They get rid of Varajaos contract but replace him with a solid young big in Speights. I think we could even throw in Ebanks and character, and maybe one of the picks that went to Memphis should go to the Cavs, but I don't see why a rebuilding team int he cavs won't do this trade.

Why for the sixers: Now this is the team that I could see declining this. However, Speights and williams, while solid, have shown that they probably won't be more than role players, and with Iggy supposedly demanding out, they have a chance to get a top 5 center in the league. With Drew and Brand, you have a solid frontcourt with young playes such as Evans and Holiday in the backcourt. I don't see how they oculd get a better deal than this for Iggy who is demanding out.

I apologize if this is ridiculous or crazy, but to me it made sense. Criticism is more than welcome.

[dockingsched]

josh smith sucks, i despise his game. carry on.

[LApwnd]

If Mayo is a target, best we could do is Sasha Tpe/future 1st or Ebanks? Not the greatest of offers but Mem gets some more money to sign Marc Gasol

As much as I dont like Bynum injury issues I dont think we need to trade him just yet or give up on Pau now.

Say the Mayo trade can be done, now you just need another floor spacer either SF or SG backup, i.e. a position by committe with the likes of Kapono, R. Butler, Vlad Rad, Peja maybe?

then pray to basketball god we find a gem in the 2nd rd, there's 4 of em bound to be 1 good/great find there or trade em all to move up to a late 1st if said player is that coveted.

[Jetset]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6j2u6lz

Am I crazy or does everyone benefit from this trade? (Us benefiting the most obviously )

Lakers in:
Iggy
Mayo
Varajao
Lakers out:
Artest
Bynum
Future 1st

Memphis in:
Lou Williams
Future Lakers 1st
Future Protected Sixers pic
Memphis out:
OJ Mayo

Clevland in:
Speights
Nocioni (Expiring)
Cleveland out:
Varajao

76ers in:
Bynum
Ron Artest
76ers out:
Speightts
Iggy
Williams
future 1st
Why for us: We gain Shooting, and athleticism, still get avery soild big. WE could sign Kmart for the part of the MLE, and maybe another big body. I hate trading Bynum since he's one of my favorite players, but I think with Gasols value being the lowest it has ever been, and Drew's injuries still being a problem, its hard to not pull the trigger on this trade. Mayo showed that he could guard point guards, and he has alot of potential. He could back up Kobe and finish the game beside him, and our second unit with LO/Mayo would be one of the best in the league. I think the talent we gain from this trade is ridiculous.

Why for the Grizzlies:
The Grizz just said that they aren't trading Rudy, and there is no reason for them to keep OJ around, with Allen/Young/Battier? filling up the wing positions and no need for a ballhandler as they Conley, with Gay being the go to perimeter guy. They gain Williams who could basically give them what Mayo was giving them, but won't demand as much money nor will he give chemistry issues. They almost traded OJ for far less earlier. They also gain 2 first rounders.

why for the cavs: Very simple. They get rid of Varajaos contract but replace him with a solid young big in Speights. I think we could even throw in Ebanks and character, and maybe one of the picks that went to Memphis should go to the Cavs, but I don't see why a rebuilding team int he cavs won't do this trade.

Why for the sixers: Now this is the team that I could see declining this. However, Speights and williams, while solid, have shown that they probably won't be more than role players, and with Iggy supposedly demanding out, they have a chance to get a top 5 center in the league. With Drew and Brand, you have a solid frontcourt with young playes such as Evans and Holiday in the backcourt. I don't see how they oculd get a better deal than this for Iggy who is demanding out.

I apologize if this is ridiculous or crazy, but to me it made sense. Criticism is more than welcome.

Man, this is great. But Phila losing Iguodala, Speights, and Williams along with a protected 1st rounder is sort of a lot. I feel it would probably take more picks from us to get a deal done like this. But this is a good try, a very good try.

[Mr Loggins]

I think they would find the best passing big man in the game, who has primarily played center in the past 4 regular seasons (3 Finals appearances, 1 single-handed shut-out of dwight) a slight upgrade to their starting Center position over DARKO MILICIC, in Kurt Rambis' quasi-wannabe-triangle.

I think they would be OK with a 20-15 guy at pf and a 20-10 guy at C, considering they are the #1 and #2 passing big men in the league, and they would both prefer to pass.

What else is Kahn going to do with the pick? Draft another PG?

a) no one's is arguing that Pau isn't better than Darko. But the last thing MN needs is another PF (albeit one who can get some minutes at center) -- especially one who is 31 years old. His age and salary are the big reasons they don't do that deal. WIth Pau their what? A 35-40 win team?

b) not to split hairs too much, but I don't think Pau has ever been a 20-10 guy, so I don't think he'll start doing that now that he's the rong side of 30.

Although its not his natural position, Pau is nevertheless a top 5 Center in the NBA, please name me 5 better. And he was 18.8 and 10.2 this year, my mistake, great point though, how stupid of me to make that egregious error. What a worthless pile.

a) regardless of whether Pau plays center or not, acquiring a 31 year old who makes max money -- who has already proven in Memphis he can't be THE guy -- makes little to no sense for the rebuilding Tiberwolves. WHat, they get Pau and be happy being a fringe playoff team?

b) that's why there is a "20-10 club" -- becuase its hard to do. You don't include jokers who come close but no cigar. Pau has never once made the "20-10" club, and I don't think he's likely to do it now that he's entering the down slope of his career.

[LAzPhenom]

we should try to sign Mark Gasol who could play center for us, their is something about him joining his brother on hoopshype

then we could trade Bynum and SnT Shannon, 1st rounder, for CP3
C: Marc/draft pick
PF: Pau/Odom/Caracter
SF: Artest/Barnes/Luke/Ebanks
SG: Kobe/TMac
PG: Paul/Blake/Fisher

then sign Tracy McGrady to back up Kobe at shooting guard
and draft a center to back up Marc

[Jetset]

Gasol is a RFA, so the Grizzly can and will match any offer that is made.

[LAzPhenom]

Gasol is a RFA, so the Grizzly can and will match any offer that is made.

well then that sucks

[Jetset]

Gasol is a RFA, so the Grizzly can and will match any offer that is made.

sorry i still havent understood what restricted and unrestricted is?

so if Grizzlies offer a better contract and Marc Gasol wants to sign with the Lakers, he wont be allowed to?

It's cool. Unrestricted means that the free agent can sign with whatever team he wants to for how much money he wants. Restricted means that the team that has the player (Grizzlies) have the right to match any contract offer that the player receives. Gasol could choose to not resign with the Grizzlies, but he'd face a huge penalty so he's better off resigning.

[LApwnd]

Gasol is a RFA, so the Grizzly can and will match any offer that is made.

well then that sucks

umm not to mention that we also over the cap so the best we could offer Marc is MLE, if thats still around after the new CBA....man do people just think we can go out and sign just about anybody?

[The_Trade_Seer]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6j2u6lz

Am I crazy or does everyone benefit from this trade? (Us benefiting the most obviously )

Lakers in:
Iggy
Mayo
Varajao
Lakers out:
Artest
Bynum
Future 1st

Memphis in:
Lou Williams
Future Lakers 1st
Future Protected Sixers pic
Memphis out:
OJ Mayo

Clevland in:
Speights
Nocioni (Expiring)
Cleveland out:
Varajao

76ers in:
Bynum
Ron Artest
76ers out:
Speightts
Iggy
Williams
future 1st
Why for us: We gain Shooting, and athleticism, still get avery soild big. WE could sign Kmart for the part of the MLE, and maybe another big body. I hate trading Bynum since he's one of my favorite players, but I think with Gasols value being the lowest it has ever been, and Drew's injuries still being a problem, its hard to not pull the trigger on this trade. Mayo showed that he could guard point guards, and he has alot of potential. He could back up Kobe and finish the game beside him, and our second unit with LO/Mayo would be one of the best in the league. I think the talent we gain from this trade is ridiculous.

Why for the Grizzlies:
The Grizz just said that they aren't trading Rudy, and there is no reason for them to keep OJ around, with Allen/Young/Battier? filling up the wing positions and no need for a ballhandler as they Conley, with Gay being the go to perimeter guy. They gain Williams who could basically give them what Mayo was giving them, but won't demand as much money nor will he give chemistry issues. They almost traded OJ for far less earlier. They also gain 2 first rounders.

why for the cavs: Very simple. They get rid of Varajaos contract but replace him with a solid young big in Speights. I think we could even throw in Ebanks and character, and maybe one of the picks that went to Memphis should go to the Cavs, but I don't see why a rebuilding team int he cavs won't do this trade.

Why for the sixers: Now this is the team that I could see declining this. However, Speights and williams, while solid, have shown that they probably won't be more than role players, and with Iggy supposedly demanding out, they have a chance to get a top 5 center in the league. With Drew and Brand, you have a solid frontcourt with young playes such as Evans and Holiday in the backcourt. I don't see how they oculd get a better deal than this for Iggy who is demanding out.

I apologize if this is ridiculous or crazy, but to me it made sense. Criticism is more than welcome.

Not bad dude, not bad. Take out the 76'ers #1 (which Memphis doesn't need to agree to that trade) and just include some 2nd round picks from the Lakers and cavs going to the Grizz and Philly and I think you've got a deal.

[LAzPhenom]

Gasol is a RFA, so the Grizzly can and will match any offer that is made.

well then that sucks

umm not to mention that we also over the cap so the best we could offer Marc is MLE, if thats still around after the new CBA....man do people just think we can go out and sign just about anybody?

i know buddy, i did mean signing him with an MLE

i mean he would be playing with his brother, maybe Pau split some of his money

here is a copy of the article on hoopshype

Heisley has said Gasol will decide if he wants to stay in Memphis. Gasol was noncommittal while also downplaying any notion he wants to join his older brother, Pau, in Los Angeles. "Memphis is my home. This is my family," Gasol said. "But at the end of the day we'll see how everything plays out. You have to be smart about it, put all of your cards on the table and see how everything is going to play out. Right now, it might be a little too soon to tell. "I'd be foolish if I thought about (playing with Pau). It would be unfair and selfish if I thought about that. Right now, I have to let it play out the way it's going to play out. Mr. Heisley thinks it's up to me but we all know it's not really up to me." Memphis Commercial Appeal

he seems to be considering it an option, meaning he may not mind taking the Mid-Level Exception

[Jetset]

He wont. Pau will always be his brother and that's guaranteed, the type of money he's guaranteed to get right now isn't. He'll resign in Memphis for a huge deal. Book it.




Anyone up for trading Bynum for the 4th pick/Varejao?

[dockingsched]

keeping in mind that i think there's zero chance the lakers consider moving bynum...


4th/varejao is good value for me, but i'd imagine the 4th gets moved for something that can help more now.

[LAzPhenom]

keeping in mind that i think there's zero chance the lakers consider moving bynum...


4th/varejao is good value for me, but i'd imagine the 4th gets moved for something that can help more now.

if we can get at least Kemba Walker at 4th, then consider it a yes

[moonpie]

LAL IN-D. Howard, B. Udrih, H. Turkoglu
LAL OUT-P. Gasol, L. Odom, #41 Pick, #46 Pick, D. Caracter

SAC IN-L. Odom, A. Nocioni, #16 Pick
SAC OUT-#7 pick, B. Udrih, O. Cassipi, J. Thompson

PHI IN-P. Gasol, O. Cassipi, #41 Pick, #46 Pick, D. Caracter
PHI OUT-A. Igoudala, A. Nocioni, #16 Pick

ORL IN-A. Igoudala, J. Thompson, #7 Pick
ORL OUT-D. Howard, H. Turkoglu

Why for LAL-Obviously acquiring Dwight speaks for itself, Udrih would be a suitable PG (better than Blake or Fisher anyway). Lakers would have to absorb Turk's contract before Orlando would even think about trading him.

Why for SAC-The Kings were projected to have the #5 pick and with the results of the draft lottery that pick is now down to #7. With this deal they move down to the #16 spot but pick up Odom who would be a solid veteran addition to this young roster. They get back Nocioni in this deal to address their SF position.

Why for PHI-With rumors of Iggy being shopped this summer, Gasol would not be a bad return, allowing Turner to take over as lead wingman while still keeping them in the playoff hunt. They also swap the older Nocioni for a younger Cassipi who probably needs a change of scenery to jump-start his career. The Sixers are forced to give up the #16 pick, but gain two second rounders and Caracter as compensation.

Why for ORL-No Pau Gasol+Odom deals in this scenario Igoudala will not replace Dwight's star power but still gives the Magic a solid piece to go along with Nelson. Thompson is a promising young big who should go along nicely with this group. Of course the Magic also get the #7 pick, which they can use to further bolster their roster.

[Doormatt]

Terrible for sacremento. No way they trade their lotto, Thompson AND casspi for a lower pick and odom (nocioni is worthless in this deal). Sac has little interest in veterans like odom, and they certainly aren't giving up young players and picks to get him.

Doubt they'd even move the #7 for just odom.

I'm still most interested in the gasol--blatche/lewis/lotto deal. I believe the wiz are picking at 8, so they might not be so hesitant to part with it. I think we could still get walker with that pick, plus Lewis has a buyout sooooo.....


I'd like it if we could dump Blake on them as well. Then we could move fish to the bench, and go after a solid bench player with the MLE. I'd also imagine we'd try to move artest as well, maybe to NY in a S&T for turiaf?? Wishful thinking...

Walker/fisher
Bryant/????
Barnes/Lewis
Odom/blatche
Bynum/turiaf

Maybe JR with the MLE?? If we could turn blatche into an odom-lite off the bench, then we'd be pretty good.

[LAzPhenom]

JR doesnt sound bad, but he will probably want much more money, i wouldnt mind signing T-MAC, i think he is a free agent

he will be a good backup for kobe

[Doormatt]

I've always been on the Tmac bandwagon, and I was someone who very much wanted him last offseason.

It would be awesome to get him for the vet min.