Official trade thread/buy-out market 20-21 edition

[kblo247]

Pelinka, Team Doctors and Vogel must been in a long meeting right now on what to do with the coming trade deadline.
No AD and Lebron and THT plays 19 minutes!!, is it becoming it clear that Vogel doesn't trust this kid at all?
I hate bashing Schroder, esp with his ability to get to the line. He sucks from the 3pt line but the reality is, he probably will NOT be going to the FT line that much when he struggles from the field and more importantly, extension talks has stalled, so more likely, he walks and Lakers would lose him for nothing. Yes, he can agree to a sign and trade but what would be his motivation at all to help a team who UNDER VALUED HIM?

Harrell finally played 34 minutes but was he the reason why the Lakers played bad defense last night? Will Vogel play him heavy mins when AD comes back? If not, he probably WALKS too in the summer TOO!!
So who are the options? Myles Turner? Vucevic? would you trade for another shooter? Patty Mills has a career 39% from 3 for 710 games, but will Pops help this team? probably not but he can get THT...?

Tht was a -27 in the third quarter. His time is limited because he breaks every semblance of Vogel’s defensive schemes and rotations. If he’s not scoring he’s useless to Frank

[kblo247]

Can someone explain how buyout contracts affects the following year? Example, if we get a guy on the buyout market this year, and we do not have cap space next year, whats the max we can sign him to.

You can give them a 20% raise from the vet min or you can sign him to the tax mle next year. They gave Morris the 20% raise. They had the option to use the bae they have Wes or split the mle they gave Harrell on him though.

In fact they could have last summer said here Rondo and Dwight split the mle and Kieff take the bae and been good.

But if you’re asking for a Drummond standpoint, I would assume you would have to give him the tax mle of 5mil or so to keep him for 1 year so he knows he can’t be traded and then you negotiate a new deal with him the next summer. That’s a lot of good faith between them

[kblo247]

Like Kblo said in one of earlier posts... The Lakers have a bad history when trading for shooters... They all come to LA and suck at shooting suddenly... So I'm hesitant to trade for a guy just based on 3pt ability, but I get that's where we are as a team and the league... I just don't want to dump a bunch of youth and athleticism for a pure shooter...

One thing I was contemplating though, is if Pelinka goes full Pimp-mode on the Drummond deal and uses it as leverage, he might be able to drive the price down a bit on a Myles Turner trade... I just don't know if Turner is really any better than Drummond to warrant the price... He's a block machine, but we'd also be asking him to play next to AD, who also blocks a lot of shots...

I don’t get why every shooter forgets how to shoot. I mean Fisher was prolific in big spots and we just had the timely ones with Horry and Fox. Then we’ve had guys like Ariza get hot at the right time or KCP last year. But usually our shooting outside Fish is a Kobe or Bron or Rondo hitting off volume.

It’s like we can’t hit free throws either lol

[MAMBAEMD]

We don’t need to make a huge trade folks. The team is pretty awesome as is . We cannot mess up our depth by trading away people like Kuz, THT, Trez, AC, and KCP.
If we get Drummond off waivers and maybe a defensive wing, we’ll be alright.
Our 3 point shooting was not very good last season in the regular season and we still won a ring.

[Beethoven]

I dont think it is true , just another means of teams and agents leveraging themselves by throwing our team name out there, however , knowing Lowry wants only $50 for 2 year that is such a good deal compared to whatever the $23+ million that Shroder wants from us that is stalling.

[Kilroy]

We don’t need to make a huge trade folks. The team is pretty awesome as is . We cannot mess up our depth by trading away people like Kuz, THT, Trez, AC, and KCP.
If we get Drummond off waivers and maybe a defensive wing, we’ll be alright.
Our 3 point shooting was not very good last season in the regular season and we still won a ring.

The subtext of what the FO has been saying with the rumors about KCP and Kuz, and now Trez and Schroder, is that if we don't trade some of them now, we're going to have to let others walk in Free Agency due to the cap... Kuz is locked up for a few years, but if we keep him, we won't be able to sign AC and THT long term, along with extending Schroder... We don't need Trez if we get Drummond, so he'll walk for nothing if we don't move him between now and next deadline...

The reality is, if they aren't a legit part of our core, they need to go now, and apparently Kuz isn't... AC isn't going to take as much to sign long term, and I think they're betting on THT to be part of the core in a year or 2...

[Beethoven]

KCP Schroder (sign and trade) THT for Lowry?
I think Raptor fans want some post-Lebron era picks. Maybe Schroder THT plus picks?

[kblo247]

We don’t need to make a huge trade folks. The team is pretty awesome as is . We cannot mess up our depth by trading away people like Kuz, THT, Trez, AC, and KCP.
If we get Drummond off waivers and maybe a defensive wing, we’ll be alright.
Our 3 point shooting was not very good last season in the regular season and we still won a ring.

The subtext of what the FO has been saying with the rumors about KCP and Kuz, and now Trez and Schroder, is that if we don't trade some of them now, we're going to have to let others walk in Free Agency due to the cap... Kuz is locked up for a few years, but if we keep him, we won't be able to sign AC and THT long term, along with extending Schroder... We don't need Trez if we get Drummond, so he'll walk for nothing if we don't move him between now and next deadline...

The reality is, if they aren't a legit part of our core, they need to go now, and apparently Kuz isn't... AC isn't going to take as much to sign long term, and I think they're betting on THT to be part of the core in a year or 2...

Caruso is going to get paid by Dallas I bet. Get that Delly money

[Ballerhogger]

Prayer circle for this line up guys
KYLE LOWRY
- DENNIS SCHRODER
- LEBRON JAMES
- ANTHONY DAVIS
- ANDRE DRUMMOND

[Kilroy]

Sign and Trade Schroder for a Sign and traded Lowry at the 2/25M number... Trade Trez/kcp/Kuz for Siakam...
Sign Drummond...

Lowry
LeBron
Siakam
AD
Drummond

Caruso
THT
Marc
Morris
Mathews

[Beethoven]

Prayer circle for this line up guys
KYLE LOWRY
- DENNIS SCHRODER
- LEBRON JAMES
- ANTHONY DAVIS
- ANDRE DRUMMOND

If we get Lowry , we will definitely not be keeping Schroder. He will have to be packaged up w KCP and some filler ($15.5 million + KCP $12 million + some filler to equal Lowry's $30 million)

[Kilroy]

Or go all in for Lonzo and Steven Adams... Tell Drummond Sorryz...
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7422340

That's a ton of talent to dump on Lonzo and Adams though but, I love Adam's presence down low... If you drive on him you feel it at least, and it should take a bunch of weight off ADs shoulders.

Lonzo
THT
Lebron
AD
Adams

Caruso
Morris
Mathews
Marc

[Beethoven]

oh I love Steve Adams. way cheaper and a better team mate than drummond.
no to lonzo


edit: no to steve adams the dude is making same amount as drummond, better just get drunmmond on the buy out then.

[Kilroy]

Lonzo's the best available passer by a pretty big margin... He'd take the ball out of LeBron's hands, and free him to create more off ball... He's also a phenomenal defender, which would allow Caruso to come off the bench for us...
the problem with that move is, it leaves THT, Mathews, Morris and Marc as our primary jump shooters.

[tamaraw08]

Or go all in for Lonzo and Steven Adams... Tell Drummond Sorryz...
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7422340

That's a ton of talent to dump on Lonzo and Adams though but, I love Adam's presence down low... If you drive on him you feel it at least, and it should take a bunch of weight off ADs shoulders.

Lonzo
THT
Lebron
AD
Adams

Caruso
Morris
Mathews
Marc

We really need to ask ourselves if other GM's would really be motivated to agree to these kind of trades. They lose good players for possibly FOR GOOD to take in rentals like Schroder and Harrell.
Would the undersized PF Treszl mesh with ANOTHER UNDERSIZED/SHORT PF like Zion? Will Orleans really agree to sign the max Dennis's is looking for, knowing they have ANOTHER short PG in Eric Bledsoe who STILL HAS 2 years left after this season?

[zimpy27]

KCP, Schroeder, Harrell, THT for Lowry, Powell

Lowry, Powell, LeBron, AD, Drummond
Caruso, Matthews, Kuzma, Morris, Gasol
Dudley, McKinnie, Kostas, Cacok

[TylersLakers]

Well, if we want Lowry.. and we're gonna get Drummond.. and Charlotte wants Trezz..

Lakers trade: Harrell, Matthews, Gasol, THT, Schroder
Lakers receive: Lowry, Biyombo, Bembry

Hornets trade: Zeller, Monk, 2020 1st (Top 4 Protected)
Hornets receive: Harrell, Gasol, Matthews

Raptors trade: Lowry, Bembry
Raptors receive: THT, Monk, Zeller, Schroder, 2020 Charlotte 1st (Top 4 Protected)

Lakers roster (when healthy)

Lowry/Caruso/
KCP/Bembry/
LeBron/Kuzma/McKinnie
Davis/Markieff/Dudley
Drummond/Biyombo

+ Cacok, Antetokounmpo

- Still 3 roster spots left (Jones back? Redick?)

[LAKESHOW]

I'm off of Lonzo. Freethrows for 1. Second, we play alotta drive and kick basketball, and I do not like him there either. But I will give him props on defense and passing ability

[kblo247]

Lonzo's the best available passer by a pretty big margin... He'd take the ball out of LeBron's hands, and free him to create more off ball... He's also a phenomenal defender, which would allow Caruso to come off the bench for us...
the problem with that move is, it leaves THT, Mathews, Morris and Marc as our primary jump shooters.

Lonzo doesn’t even have the ball for SVG. One of the reasons he’s shooting well and lavar wants him traders is Stan basically said he’s not good enough to be ball handler 1 or 2. Ingram and Zion handle it and then Bledsoe. He just finishes.

[MAMBAEMD]

We don’t need to make a huge trade folks. The team is pretty awesome as is . We cannot mess up our depth by trading away people like Kuz, THT, Trez, AC, and KCP.
If we get Drummond off waivers and maybe a defensive wing, we’ll be alright.
Our 3 point shooting was not very good last season in the regular season and we still won a ring.

The subtext of what the FO has been saying with the rumors about KCP and Kuz, and now Trez and Schroder, is that if we don't trade some of them now, we're going to have to let others walk in Free Agency due to the cap... Kuz is locked up for a few years, but if we keep him, we won't be able to sign AC and THT long term, along with extending Schroder... We don't need Trez if we get Drummond, so he'll walk for nothing if we don't move him between now and next deadline...

The reality is, if they aren't a legit part of our core, they need to go now, and apparently Kuz isn't... AC isn't going to take as much to sign long term, and I think they're betting on THT to be part of the core in a year or 2...

Good points but it's a trade off of sorts.
One can argue that our chances of winning this year are better if we keep this core group intact and add a piece here and there through the waiver wire or buyout market.
Given that LBJ is playing at a very high level now and has finite years to win championships (one or two, max 3), they may not want to tinker with this group and keep the depth.

If they are looking longer term, then it would make sense to trade some of these guys now.

My impression is that they want to win now more than they want to set the team up longer term.