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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#661 » by Pythagoras » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:50 am

NBAWestFan wrote:Trade Lebron for as much as you can get. Jeanie loyal but he is old and has value to cash in on.

Trade AD for whoever gives the most 1st round picks.

Keep the coach. Move on with the rebuild.


There might not be any GM in the league I’d trust less to oversee a rebuild than Pelinka right now.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#662 » by loveshaq786 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:40 pm

dream....

both picks (unprotected) Christie and Westbrook for KD and seth .... hope Kyrie gets bought out and we get him for peanuts


plan b:

AD straight up for KD

Westbrook and Christie for Kyrie and seth straight up... (if not bought out)




realistically....

with Indiana/Charlotte:

trade Nunn, Christie, and Beverly for terry rozier... this move alone, helps us drastically

Westbrook and both picks for Turner and duarte or Benedict...

use cap space to take Seth Curry and Richard O'Neal... Brooklyn would save hella money on tax and salary
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#663 » by TylersLakers » Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:26 pm

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NBAWestFan wrote:Trade Lebron for as much as you can get. Jeanie loyal but he is old and has value to cash in on.

Trade AD for whoever gives the most 1st round picks.

Keep the coach. Move on with the rebuild.


There might not be any GM in the league I’d trust less to oversee a rebuild than Pelinka right now.


If the Lakers do decide to rebuild (wrong move), they need to fire Rob Pelinka and pretty much everyone in the front office and hire a brand new front office. That's a given. Jeanie can say "at least for the next 2 seasons, Darvin is our coach." I think Darvin is widely respected around the league and I don't think that would hinder hiring someone new in any way.

If they're not going to do that, then spend the resources you have and build this team to win as many games as possible. If it's a 2nd round exit in 5 or 6 games, that's fine.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#664 » by TylersLakers » Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:01 pm

zimpy27 wrote:I think this highlights the problem very well.

Championship Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: KCP, Green, Dwight
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Markieff, McGee, Bradley

2022-23 Lakers
Stars: James, AD
Non-star starters: Nothing
Rotation Player (6-8th Men): Russ, Reaves, Beverley
9-11th Men (RS rotation 20+ mins, playoff spot minutes): Walker, Schroeder, Bryant


Lakers have no starter-level players outside of LeBron and Davis. They need at least 3. This isn't just about fit, it's about having consistent quality level players to turn up and get wins when others are out.

Easiest way is to break Russ in to 3 starters with picks and then hoping Schroeder or Lonnie or Bryant step in to rotation level...

Hard way might be to get starter level players using Nunn, Lonnie, Beverley as salary matches.


Yup.

And if you trade Russ, Nunn, Gabriel, picks for Hayward, Rozier, Washington, you're at..

Stars: LeBron, AD
Non-star starters: Hayward
Rotation player: Rozier, Washington, Reaves, Walker
9-11th Men: Beverley, Brown, (Schroder, Bryant - I'm including these guys here because I haven't seen them yet)

Trade Beverley, Christie for someone like Josh Richardson and that adds another rotation player.

That roster fits around AD and LeBron. And allows them to be AD and LeBron. Hayward is a perfect 3rd guy to play alongside them for 25 MPG. He moves the ball, he makes smart decisions, he shoots at a good clip. Rozier is a legit heater off the bench. PJ Washington is an ascending young player who fits next to LeBron and AD right now.

Imagine some of these line-ups:

Rozier, Hayward, Richardson, Washington, AD - non LeBron
Schroder, Walker, Richardson, Brown, LeBron - non AD
Rozier, Hayward, LeBron, Washington, AD or Bryant- max shooting
Schroder, Richardson, Brown, LeBron, AD - all D line-up

So much more line-up flexibility.

The problem is the deficit we're facing at 2-10. We're going to be 2-11 after Sunday. We then have 5 days off. If we're going to make a move, we need to make it now to integrate new players. When that mini-break is done - LeBron is back and in the last 69 games, hopefully we can go at least 40-29. There will be a few teams over 50 wins but not many. 42-44 wins gets us in that 6-8 seed conversation.

Next season - we'd have LeBron, AD, Hayward, Rozier, Washington and a 1st round pick on our books. Somewhere around $152M with the luxury tax line being $162M. Re-sign Reaves, that probably puts us pretty close to $162. Use the mini-MLE, that gets us to $165-168M in salary. Fill in the roster with vet minimums.

We'd also have contracts (Rozier, Hayward expiring) plus that 1st round pick to make additional trades.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#665 » by TylersLakers » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:27 pm

If we do trade the picks..

To Lakers: Turner, Hield, Josh Richardson
To Spurs: Patrick Beverley, Gabriel, Nunn, Christie
To Pacers: Westbrook, McDermott, 2027 1st, 2029 1st

PG: Reaves/Schroder
SG: Hield/Walker/Brown Jr
SF: LeBron/Richardson/Ryan
PF: Davis/JTA/
C: Turner/Bryant/Jones

Saves the Lakers $16.8M + luxury taxes this season. Gets us a rim protecting stretch 5 which allows AD and LeBron to go back to being wings, gives us a knock-down volume shooter in Hield and another wing defender/shooter in Richardson.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#666 » by wco81 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:00 pm

Hmm, would Pelika have gotten that extension if they waited a couple of weeks into the season?
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#667 » by TylersLakers » Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:39 am

wco81 wrote:Hmm, would Pelika have gotten that extension if they waited a couple of weeks into the season?


He’s Kobe Bryant’s friend. He’s got a job for as long as he wants.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#668 » by KuzControl » Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:13 am

TylersLakers wrote:If we do trade the picks..

To Lakers: Turner, Hield, Josh Richardson
To Spurs: Patrick Beverley, Gabriel, Nunn, Christie
To Pacers: Westbrook, McDermott, 2027 1st, 2029 1st

PG: Reaves/Schroder
SG: Hield/Walker/Brown Jr
SF: LeBron/Richardson/Ryan
PF: Davis/JTA/
C: Turner/Bryant/Jones

Saves the Lakers $16.8M + luxury taxes this season. Gets us a rim protecting stretch 5 which allows AD and LeBron to go back to being wings, gives us a knock-down volume shooter in Hield and another wing defender/shooter in Richardson.

I think you're onto something, but it can be a bit simpler, as I think TBJ belongs in the rotation but off the bench

Deal 1:
Lakers: Turner, Hield
Pacers: RWB, the picks

Deal 2:
Lakers: McDermott, 2nd
Spurs: PatBev, Jones

PG: Walker/Schroder/Nunn
SG: Hield/Reaves/Christie
SF: Bron/TBJ/Ryan
PF: Davis/McDermott/JTA
C: Turner/Bryant/Gabriel
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#669 » by TylersLakers » Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:32 pm

KuzControl wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:If we do trade the picks..

To Lakers: Turner, Hield, Josh Richardson
To Spurs: Patrick Beverley, Gabriel, Nunn, Christie
To Pacers: Westbrook, McDermott, 2027 1st, 2029 1st

PG: Reaves/Schroder
SG: Hield/Walker/Brown Jr
SF: LeBron/Richardson/Ryan
PF: Davis/JTA/
C: Turner/Bryant/Jones

Saves the Lakers $16.8M + luxury taxes this season. Gets us a rim protecting stretch 5 which allows AD and LeBron to go back to being wings, gives us a knock-down volume shooter in Hield and another wing defender/shooter in Richardson.

I think you're onto something, but it can be a bit simpler, as I think TBJ belongs in the rotation but off the bench

Deal 1:
Lakers: Turner, Hield
Pacers: RWB, the picks

Deal 2:
Lakers: McDermott, 2nd
Spurs: PatBev, Jones

PG: Walker/Schroder/Nunn
SG: Hield/Reaves/Christie
SF: Bron/TBJ/Ryan
PF: Davis/McDermott/JTA
C: Turner/Bryant/Gabriel


I like it too. It disgusts me with this window of days off, we're not making moves and instead waiting on two vet minimum players to come back and change our team. Pathetic.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#670 » by Eric Bieniemy » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:49 pm

Nunn, Beverley for Fournier, Svi
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#671 » by Eric Bieniemy » Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:44 pm

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Post#672 » by stan francisco » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:08 am

Eric Bieniemy wrote:Nunn, Beverley for Fournier, Svi


I like both of those players, offensively. Would be good to see Svi come ‘back home’. If Thibs is benching them, though, I’d guess it’s gotta be about defense.

We give up veteran defense to get two shooters but I still like this trade.

Perhaps wait until later in the season after Nunn and Bev get a chance to rev up to full season form. Plus, the longer they’re benched, the lower their trade value will be. By the deadline?

:meditate:
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#673 » by Eric Bieniemy » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:06 pm

stan francisco wrote:
Eric Bieniemy wrote:Nunn, Beverley for Fournier, Svi


I like both of those players, offensively. Would be good to see Svi come ‘back home’. If Thibs is benching them, though, I’d guess it’s gotta be about defense.

We give up veteran defense to get two shooters but I still like this trade.

Perhaps wait until later in the season after Nunn and Bev get a chance to rev up to full season form. Plus, the longer they’re benched, the lower their trade value will be. By the deadline?

:meditate:

I expanded it where the Lakers get a pick for taking on Fournier:

Knicks trade: Randle, Fournier, Robinson, Mykhailiuk, and a 1st
Knicks get: Lowry, D.Robinson, Beverley, D.Jones, & two Miami 1st

Heat trade: Lowry, Duncan Robinson, Vincent, and two firsts
Heat get: Randle, Mitchell Robinson, Schroder, and Kendrick Nunn

Lakers trade: Beverley, Nunn, Schroder, and Damian Jones
Lakers get: Fournier, Mykhailiuk, Gabe Vincent, & an NY 1st
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#674 » by tamaraw08 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:26 pm

stan francisco wrote:
Eric Bieniemy wrote:Nunn, Beverley for Fournier, Svi


I like both of those players, offensively. Would be good to see Svi come ‘back home’. If Thibs is benching them, though, I’d guess it’s gotta be about defense.

We give up veteran defense to get two shooters but I still like this trade.

Perhaps wait until later in the season after Nunn and Bev get a chance to rev up to full season form. Plus, the longer they’re benched, the lower their trade value will be. By the deadline?

:meditate:

You and I along with other fans like Svi and Fournier but if Ham hate their defense then they will just rot in the bench. Been reading many suggestions about trading Pat Bev, yes he is really struggling shooting from 3 but his defense is adequate IMO plus he is an expirer.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#675 » by stan francisco » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:38 pm

Do we want the antisemite flat earth crazy train Kyrie? Can we entertain the idea of him on the court? I’m not sure if I could.

Russ for Irving. Both teams have incentive. Shrugs.

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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#676 » by One Love » Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:17 pm

I send Russ for Irving ALL DAY LONG...

Buy LOW... Irving is in a ncontract year & an expiriong...

If he doesn't show up, let him walk, if he balls out, we have a SUPERSTAR...
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#677 » by SlimShady83 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:20 pm

I think Irving along with Bron this year and/or next year IF Bron stays would be ok, but having Irving after Bron NO WAY - Bron would keep him undercontrol, not sure who else could - another reason If Lakers get Irving I don't want them giving him no more then 2 years, and 2nd year has to be like a team option or something
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#678 » by Pythagoras » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:38 pm

TylersLakers wrote:
wco81 wrote:Hmm, would Pelika have gotten that extension if they waited a couple of weeks into the season?


He’s Kobe Bryant’s friend. He’s got a job for as long as he wants.


He sure does, and this is part of the current Lakers organizational issues. Pelinka should have some fake title/role with the team. He shouldn't have any real power. He blows as a GM.
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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#679 » by Pythagoras » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:40 pm

stan francisco wrote:Do we want the antisemite flat earth crazy train Kyrie? Can we entertain the idea of him on the court? I’m not sure if I could.

Russ for Irving. Both teams have incentive. Shrugs.

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Re: Lakers Trade IDEAS 

Post#680 » by zimpy27 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:17 am

Lonnie+Nunn for Bamba

Schroeder, Beverley, LeBron, Davis, Bamba -- Westbrook, Reaves, Brown, Gabriel, Bryant -- Christie, Ryan, JTA, Jones

- The reasoning is that Lakers can't keep Lonnie beyond this season anyway and they could be selling high right now.
- Westbrook has been good at making this vet minimum bench competitive against opponent benches.
- Schroeder-Bev will be a tenacious backcourt with a strong defensive frontcourt of Davis-Bamba.
- Christie and Ryan have shown to both be decent SGs which means they can cover depth for Lonnie+Nunn quite easily.
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