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Re: COMMUNITY THREAD: Past Their Prime 

Post#681 » by miggs » Tue May 1, 2012 7:47 pm

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I think I pissed off quite a few people in my Art 109 class yesterday, I'm only taking the class to boost my GPA and keep it where I want it to be. So we saw this film called "Imagining Indians". The film featured Native Americans mostly voicing their displeasure with their portrayal in American films, specifically Dances With Wolves. They feel that there were certain sacred rituals which were shown in the film. Some Native Americans said they shouldn't have known the rituals AT ALL and others said they should've been done accurately if at all. They say they were inaccurately portrayed and treated poorly and we the public, are hearing their side of the story.

Now before I start let me re-iterate what I first said before saying my opinion in class. I first said that while I find it disgusting to know how this land was taken and do feel Native Americans have been treated poorly and also portrayed inaccurately and at times insultingly on film. Then I went on and voiced my opinion, which was as follows. The council for this specific Native American tribe/people voted unanimously to allow the film to be produced, even got a final private screening before it was sent out to the public, got paid $20,000 and 1.5% of movie profits. While the deal was clearly a very poor one as everyone in the class immediately agreed, the council for this tribe MADE the deal. Clearly if the execs for Dances With Wolves didn't need the permission of the tribe to portray them then they wouldn't of, but clearly they had to cover their ass on a legal end before proceeding with the film. The council for the tribe could've said no but instead they put a price on their rituals (which tribe members hold highly sacred but the council members seemingly not so much). AFTER the movie is shown, they come out saying they've been wrongfully portrayed, being exploited and going as far as calling it RELIGIOUS GENOCIDE :lol: Do they know the meaning of the word?

My thoughts are this, Native Americans in that specific tribe we saw the film on, seem to be highly taken advantage of by their council members. Yes, they are inaccurately portrayed and if they feel their culture is being exploited then why did the council give permission? The council for the tribe is to blame here, not the execs for Dances With Wolves. If the tribe wanted to be properly portrayed then they should've stipulated as such, but no they let it go and accepted the deal. Now they want to cast hate over the execs of Dances With Wolves saying they took advantage of the Native Americans as Americans always have. I found it to be sort of a stretch, as I don't believe Native Americans to be stupid yet they always victimize themselves in the film, making it seem as if they don't even speak English but were still forced into a deal (this isn't the era of Exploration).

A few people in the class were pissed at my statements, one girl (white) even said,"How would you feel if the whiteman took your land and took advantage of your culture?" I responded with, "Actually in my country that's exactly what happened, and I STILL blame my weak government and even weaker sense of national pride and a duty to improve it. If you don't let foreigners in, they'll have to leave. National Graphic has tried to capture some African tribes and were denied permission to see certain rituals or altogether, the way the tribe lives. Then one other chick intervenes and says to her eternal credit the following, "I actually had the privilege to meet a blood line Chumash indian and he told me they have nothing and still hate the Americans to this day as they live like peasants." My response was my last, I said,"Chumash? Are you serious, you know they have a casino right? You know federally recognized tribes don't pay taxes right? You know the main heads for the Chumash are swimming in pools of money meanwhile their people earn meager salaries right? Non-resident Native Americans don't pay taxes from casino income and that's straight from the FTB, you know Franchise Tax Board." The people who disagreed with me had no rebuttal, nor did anyone else. The class ended and I left with some angry stares looking at me and actually more than a few acknowledged they agreed with me.


Bottomline RGM fam (if anyone is still reading this), you can't be fooled by your emotions. In the movie they show the legal docs signed by the tribe council that agreed UNANIMOUSLY and knowingly signed permission to have "sacred" rituals on film. I put sacred in quotes because it seems the tribe council put a price on something which its own people feel should never have been put on film anyway. Lastly, there were NO tribe council members on the film nor higher ups of the tribes, simply disgruntled Native Americans looking to blame the "whiteman" for something they should blame their own figure heads.

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Re: COMMUNITY THREAD: Past Their Prime 

Post#682 » by miggs » Tue May 1, 2012 7:48 pm

BlunnTashiz wrote:Riots fb had some sexy profile pic of two people had to make a comment



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Post#683 » by ennui » Tue May 1, 2012 7:54 pm

After reading dat dissertation, I must say I do feel for non council natives. They get their culture ridiculed and misrepresented while others reap the benefits.
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Post#684 » by miggs » Tue May 1, 2012 7:55 pm

BTW, those same people in my class who were appalled by the film and especially my remarks, are more than likely those same who got so easily riled up for the Kony 2012 scam campaign that went on. Man the day that guy was caught in San Diego, I was so happy. NPR did a great feature on the subject, with people within Kony's reign, saying that viral video was doing much more harm than good, as direct services were almost nothing.
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Post#685 » by ennui » Tue May 1, 2012 7:57 pm

Liberal guilt is the culprit methinks
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Post#686 » by Doormatt » Tue May 1, 2012 7:59 pm

so much tl;dr
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Post#687 » by miggs » Tue May 1, 2012 8:01 pm

BlunnTashiz wrote:After reading dat dissertation, I must say I do feel for non council natives. They get their culture ridiculed and misrepresented while others reap the benefits.



You read it BT!!! :D and yea man I agree 100% I feel many cultures of the past who've survived to this day, are taken advantage of usually by their people. It's sad but true, I weep for my own home country of El Salvador, I know once this amazing President is gone, it'll more than likely be back to mediocrity and selling our culture for American coins, there's no future there man, everyone leaves or dreams to leave. It's a **** disgrace man, that's what I love about Mexican people, they fight for who they are NOT what they have. They protect their culture so extensively it's truly impressive but most of Latin America is the same, it's run by American corporations and any natives in power are usually in the deal to get a cut.

Almost every leader who leaves the thrones of power leaves with major wads of money. It's disgusting but true, so when I saw some dumbass American students complain about injustice I nearly fell off my seat laughing. I'm sure they saw my smirk and classic shake my head routine, which ALL my friends know. Man i can't wait till next Monday. Every semester, I have one class where I spend most of the semester droppin' knowledge on stupid individuals who so eagerly voice their opinions as if they're spitting out diamonds and gold. All I do is read, I don't take one side for the truth. That's it, and somehow 90% of the time, the professor and most of the students side with me. It's one of the few pleasures I get in this world. It truly satisfies my soul and rejuvenates my essence, no punch line.
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Post#688 » by miggs » Tue May 1, 2012 8:02 pm

BlunnTashiz wrote:Liberal guilt is the culprit methinks
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Post#689 » by miggs » Tue May 1, 2012 8:02 pm

Doormatt wrote:so much tl;dr



I bet my next paycheck you'd never read such a long post. **** I'd bet my unborn children :lol:
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Post#690 » by Jetset » Tue May 1, 2012 8:12 pm

you're only saying that because doormatt can't read
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Post#691 » by Doormatt » Tue May 1, 2012 8:13 pm

sorry broski im not much into reading at the moment.
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Post#692 » by Doormatt » Tue May 1, 2012 8:13 pm

Jetset wrote:you're only saying that because doormatt can't read


also this
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Post#693 » by Doormatt » Tue May 1, 2012 8:14 pm

i mean wat
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Re: COMMUNITY THREAD: Past Their Prime 

Post#694 » by ennui » Tue May 1, 2012 8:14 pm

I think that there is good that comes from liberal guilt but also a lot of misdirected passion or vitriol.

For example sweatshops, a lot of westerners abhor them when they actually put a lot of third world children through school which they otherwise would not have the capacity to do so
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Post#695 » by Jetset » Tue May 1, 2012 8:21 pm

what are you even talking about
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Post#696 » by snaquille oatmeal » Tue May 1, 2012 8:24 pm

miggs wrote:
BlunnTashiz wrote:Liberal guilt is the culprit methinks


liberal guilt is awesomely cool
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Post#697 » by ennui » Tue May 1, 2012 8:30 pm

Hunger games wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Needed more violence and less lady gaga outfits though.
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Post#698 » by Jetset » Tue May 1, 2012 8:34 pm

still haven't watched that movie
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Post#699 » by ennui » Tue May 1, 2012 8:38 pm

Shock and awe fills the comm thread
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Re: COMMUNITY THREAD: Past Their Prime 

Post#700 » by Jetset » Tue May 1, 2012 8:42 pm

stop hatin all your life

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