The #2 Pick

Mirjalovic · Post #681 » by **Mirjalovic** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 12:06 pm

skullz wrote:Been browsing the wolves forums While a lot of them want Towns a lot of them are worried that they might choose someone other then Towns.

What are the chances of them picking someone other then Towns?

50-50

you can't go wrong with any of top 3 even 4.

LAKESHOW · Post #682 » by **LAKESHOW** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 1:12 pm

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Post #683 » by **Danny Darko** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 4:45 pm

no way in hell Mudiay goes #1... Not even sure I want to have to choose between the 2 bigs as nice a luxury as it is. At least if the Wolves choose a big we just say "we got the guy that was there" and don't have to hear "Can you believe the Lakers whiffed on XXX instead of choosing the superior center in the draft"

LApwnd · Post #684 » by **LApwnd** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 5:24 pm

skullz wrote:
laduane1 wrote:Lakers open to trading pick for older player. Why...fire Mitch if he does this.

source???

I doubt this is true and I doubt Mitch will ever get fired no matter what happens

He is the sources

laduane1 · Post #685 » by **laduane1** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 5:41 pm

Mitch willing to trade pick...why

Marionettetc · Post #686 » by **Marionettetc** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 5:57 pm

Danny Darko wrote:no way in hell Mudiay goes #1... Not even sure I want to have to choose between the 2 bigs as nice a luxury as it is. At least if the Wolves choose a big we just say "we got the guy that was there" and don't have to hear "Can you believe the Lakers whiffed on XXX instead of choosing the superior center in the draft"

I wouldn't look at it like that. If they Wolves select anyone besides Towns/Okafor, that only means we have additional options. If we really wants Okafor over Towns, we can trade down for additional assets along with whoever we would have drafted anyways.

Jody Smokz · Post #687 » by **Jody Smokz** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 6:11 pm

Im sure he's not intending to but you have to listen to offers just in case someone knocks your socks off. I wouldn't bet on it though.

laduane1 wrote:Mitch willing to trade pick...why

kblo247 · Post #688 » by **kblo247** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 8:14 pm

Danny Darko wrote:no way in hell Mudiay goes #1... Not even sure I want to have to choose between the 2 bigs as nice a luxury as it is. At least if the Wolves choose a big we just say "we got the guy that was there" and don't have to hear "Can you believe the Lakers whiffed on XXX instead of choosing the superior center in the draft"

Why no way in hell?

He was better than them in high school, quite easily better than them and Russell to the point that if that bs one year rule wasn't in he would've been number 1. He is the guy amongst them who has shown he knows what its like to travel, to have money, to play minutes, and a be a professional. You can say well he got hurt or didn't go daffy with the numbers, but his numbers for a 18 year old playing with a language barrier and his work to come back were praised by his teammates and people in china as he did everything he could to comeback and be part of the team to the point they were calling him their brother by the end of it. Towns has never played big minutes and he didn't even average double digits, Okafor admittedly was over weight and struggled vs the true big guys he faced in the tourney, and russellwestbrook as shut down by teams with nba like 2/3 who were athletes. Muiday at least got his numbers vs grown men, showed he could act like a professional and didn't get caught up in the money and party scene, and had been praised by a real nba coach. The wolves also have a pg who who much like Love and Al Jefferson before him hasn't panned out, whose numbers haven't resulted in wins, and could say oh well let's try to win games and be exciting with the OKC model. Make Muidayt the pg, lavine the SG since he was the leagues worst defensive 1, make the rookie of the year wiggins the SF, and develop Dieng into a full time starter ala Ibaka with Pek/KG as the vets and Shabazz as the hybrid tweener forward ala Jeff Green. It fits the current style of nba, and Muiday has every bit the talent, if not more than those other 3 in the draft and has showed it time and time again. Hell he may outright kill them in the workouts.

I'm just saying Muiday and Russell could go 1 & 2 .... Especially of GSW wins it all since the fre agent market has multiple talented starting C's. You can discount it all you want but the laker way has never been to draft the C. It's to buy a C who has proven he can get numbers and be healthy. We draft the damn G or perimeter guy 9-10 times. Kobe, Eddie, Nick, Magic, Worthy, West, Goodrich, Scott, Cooper, and it goes on. We buy Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Pau, Lamar, and the like after they've been proven and that a lays works better than drafting Elden, Divac, or. Bynum. I can easily see us taking Russell or Muiday and going for Marc, Aldridge, Deandre, Hibbert. Especially them paying a big over having to pay Clarkson some trumped up rate he hadn't earned this coming summKer; rondo and/or one of the lotto guards keeps Clarksons price checked too.

I see every reason why Muiday and Russell could go before the bigs. It fits laker past, it fits the league, and it makes sense for both Minny and LA. Hell it's more likely the smalls outlast the bigs and have better careers seeing as how every ncaa big to enter the league gets hurt year one like clockwork now

ALL HAIL · Post #689 » by **ALL HAIL** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 10:48 pm

I would take "the bigs" over Russell (just not that impressed for some reason), but Mudiay is intriguing as hell.

I, admittedly, don't really have enough info and "watch-time" to proclaim his greatness and/or superiority over "the bigs", but, again, he's damn-sure intriguing.

Post #690 » by **TyCobb** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 11:08 pm

Ain't nobody going one and two but Towns and Okafor.

Wavy Q · Post #691 » by **Wavy Q** » Fri Jun 5, 2015 11:10 pm

damn TyCobb busted out a clipart gif.

Sofa King · Post #692 » by **Sofa King** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 1:15 am

Ty farts

kblo247 · Post #693 » by **kblo247** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 1:32 am

ALL HAIL wrote:I would take "the bigs" over Russell (just not that impressed for some reason), but Mudiay is intriguing as hell.

I, admittedly, don't really have enough info and "watch-time" to proclaim his greatness and/or superiority over "the bigs", but, again, he's damn-sure intriguing.

For me its because his handle aint ****. There will be space created like when Steph shakes and bakes. He didnt get space all year vs good athletes and got shutdown

@ Ty - clipart or not bruh the LAker way is, was, and always has been draft and invest in the damn small from the days of Buss and West. It's never been take a big because none of their bigs have amounted to anything unless if they have been bought including Bynum. Muioday is better than Towns easily at this level just like he was in high school, and maybe better than Okafor too since he struggled vs big bodies.

That boy fixed his release too since he came back to the states like he said he wouled by hiring a shooting coach. There's no hitch, its just wet

kblo247 · Post #694 » by **kblo247** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 1:34 am

Also people keep overlooking that LA may rather pay for a big and have a small locked in for 4 years on the cheap. Clarkson is going to want money and they will have to pay him like Lin and Arenas got paid with the cap boom since hes a second rounder with actual talent unlike Kelly. Clarkson will be looking for cash this next summer coming

iamworthy · Post #695 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 1:57 am

kblo247 wrote:Also people keep overlooking that LA may rather pay for a big and have a small locked in for 4 years on the cheap. Clarkson is going to want money and they will have to pay him like Lin and Arenas got paid with the cap boom since hes a second rounder with actual talent unlike Kelly. Clarkson will be looking for cash this next summer coming

Clarksons worth is to be determined.

oneseven · Post #696 » by **oneseven** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 2:01 am

True but there's only so much he can get as they capped that isht

kblo247 · Post #697 » by **kblo247** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 2:01 am

iamworthy wrote:
kblo247 wrote:Also people keep overlooking that LA may rather pay for a big and have a small locked in for 4 years on the cheap. Clarkson is going to want money and they will have to pay him like Lin and Arenas got paid with the cap boom since hes a second rounder with actual talent unlike Kelly. Clarkson will be looking for cash this next summer coming

Clarksons worth is to be determined.

It wont be determined by us though with the cap boom and him being a rfa next summer as a second rounder

iamworthy · Post #698 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 2:11 am

kblo247 wrote:
iamworthy wrote:
kblo247 wrote:Also people keep overlooking that LA may rather pay for a big and have a small locked in for 4 years on the cheap. Clarkson is going to want money and they will have to pay him like Lin and Arenas got paid with the cap boom since hes a second rounder with actual talent unlike Kelly. Clarkson will be looking for cash this next summer coming

Clarksons worth is to be determined.

It wont be determined by us though with the cap boom and him being a rfa next summer as a second rounder

True. But its way to early to consider his salary in my opinion. He could totally flop next season. Thats not what Im hoping for but its a reality. Like most RFA the lakers will tell him to go out and bring his best offer back to them. At that point they will determine if he's worth that amount. No one knows the lakers ultimate plan. They could be targeting a marquee free agent PG over the next couple years. Clarkson very well may be a career backup for the lakers.... :dontknow:

magicbesteva · Post #699 » by **magicbesteva** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 2:47 am

If the Lakers were to draft Mudiay I would be a little disappointed. Only bcuz he played in China and not in college. Ya he played against grown men but not like those guys are great players. Also he's compared to John Wall and to me that's not a good comparison. Wall relies only on his athleticism. I do admit that his game is exciting to watch and he seems like a natural pure pg. If Lakers feel strongly that he's their guy then I'm fine with Mudiay.

DEEP3CL · Post #700 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat Jun 6, 2015 2:54 am

kblo247 wrote: the Laker way is, was, and always has been draft and invest in the damn small from the days of Buss and West. It's never been take a big because none of their bigs have amounted to anything unless if they have been bought including Bynum. Muiday is better than Towns easily at this level just like he was in high school, and maybe better than Okafor too since he struggled vs big bodies.

I get that kblo, but that narrative is dead now...that more than anything has been the Lakers problem, we haven't evolved much in terms of talent. But I'm old school and will remain that way, I get tired of these 30 something reporters harping that the game has changed....NO THE GAME HASN'T CHANGED, THE PLAYERS HAVE.

Basketball is still and will always be a big mans game no matter how wingers or guards want to change it. It's hit or miss with these ball dominate guards. Russell, Mudiay and others are no different, they pound the hell out of the ball and look for themselves as option 1.

You can use a dominating big who can pass and score....he can stretch the floor just the same as these teams that rely on perimeter shooting. I'm wondering if anybody paid attention to the 4th quarter last night and saw how both teams struggled to score ? They struggled because they can't get the easy buckets that a solid interior scorer could bring you.

Yeah we may never see dominate post players such as Shaq, Olajuwon, Abdul-Jabbar in the form of other players ever, but you can have one that if he commits to his post game...he could in a lot of ways start to bring it back.

For me I just don't see in hope of the Lakers getting back to relevance if they draft a guard, a position they can fill in free agency. And guys keep mentioning "well we can just go for Gasol, Aldridge"...etc, but lets be real and stay real about it those dudes ain't leaving their teams. And if they by some chance do leave, LA won't be the destination. We have too much work to do to improve and those guys are in "hunt for a ring" mode. That's just real talk, guys need to stop believing we can just snap up Love, Gasol, LMA and anybody else...it ain't happen'in.

I don't want us to be like 29 other teams, lets be different....if we build it right it can work.

Who do we pick