Official Transaction Ideas thread

[Doormatt]

"his shooting is suspect to boot" made me lol.

[hoops_32]

I think our biggest priority is to get a backup SG. Kobe is getting older and we could use someone like JR Smith or Aaron Afflalo to allow him to rest a few more minutes next year. If we can get better bench play and have them keep and extend the lead then it will allow our starters to get more rest. The bench is one of the biggest differences between this years teams and the last three teams that went to the finals. If we can improve the bench we can be back in the finals next year. We could look to upgrade at PG as well but I think we will be fine as long as Blake starts. Blake had a bad year last year but is better than he has shown and would be more comfortable playing starters minutes.

[Jajwanda]

Blake is not that bad of a PG. He was mediocre in the triangle but I have honestly not seen a PG effectively master the triangle to the point that they're a threat to pass, shoot, and drive the ball. Not one, not even Ron Harper. It's a bull position.

[Doormatt]

no, steve blake is pretty average. he really cant do much better than what he did last year. it seems a lot worse since we have a terrible starting PG, but he could be fine playing the same role next year, given we upgrade the starting PG position.

[Jajwanda]

You need balance though. You must have two guys that can penetrate and set-up other players otherwise you're screwed.

[Doormatt]

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I know, I've never said or thought otherwise. But the lakers have no shooters and 1 playmaker (2 if you count Odom off the dribble). We need a solid shooter who you just cant leave open. Curry is one of those guys, it's why I'm so high on him. Plus he's an above average playmaker, especially in transition. His defense will improve learning under guys like Kobe and Artest, and on a team that values defense highly.

I don't mind Blake coming off the bench for a different coach in a slightly different system. We NEED am upgrade at starting PG however....

[LApwnd]

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I know, I've never said or thought otherwise. But the lakers have no shooters and 1 playmaker (2 if you count Odom off the dribble). We need a solid shooter who you just cant leave open. Curry is one of those guys, it's why I'm so high on him. Plus he's an above average playmaker, especially in transition. His defense will improve learning under guys like Kobe and Artest, and on a team that values defense highly.

I don't mind Blake coming off the bench for a different coach in a slightly different system. We NEED am upgrade at starting PG however....

Fish played with Kobe most of his career, he still sucks at defense from the 1st day he step on the court. Curry while a great offensive player needs to shoot it alot and have the ball in his hands, he is not a stand still shooter, he needs the ball on the move. I dont if you can remember gsw gms, but dude can get beat by Fisher off the dribble, thats freakin horrible.

[The Skyhook]

Curry's injuries may have had something to do with that. I don't agree with the whole Curry needs the ball to be effective. He has improved his game off the ball.

I'm not saying that the Lakers are going to make a trade for Curry but if he was on this team I actually would want the ball in his hands. Kobe's ball handling skills have noticeably declined over the years. There were a bunch of times this season where late in the game Kobe would have the ball in his hands and either lose his dribble or get the ball stripped. It has to do with how badly his fingers are messed up. from reports have said in the past at least one of those fingers is damaged beyond repair after not getting it taken care of after the season was over so I would feel pretty comfortable with letting someone else take over as the primary ball handler. Even though Curry's defense isn't stellar I do think most of his flaws on D are overblown because of the system that the Warriors currently run.

[Biased_Fan6425]

Hi, I'm new here...

I don't think we really need to break our big 3 (Kobe, Drew and Pau) unless it is for Mr. Howard.

S&t with the rockets:

Abrooks+Warrick + scrub for Odom, ebanks and 2 2nd round picks

TPE for Trevor Ariza

S&T Brown for JR Smith

MLE for Kmart

Sign Tmac and JFoster for the minimum

Try to trade Blake + 2 2nd round picks for Bwallace

Brooks, Fish, Rookie
Kobe, SMith, Tmac
Artest,Walton,Ariza
Gasol, Kmart, Caracter
Bynum, Wallace, Warrick, JFoster

Balanced line-up i guess...

[Doormatt]

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I know, I've never said or thought otherwise. But the lakers have no shooters and 1 playmaker (2 if you count Odom off the dribble). We need a solid shooter who you just cant leave open. Curry is one of those guys, it's why I'm so high on him. Plus he's an above average playmaker, especially in transition. His defense will improve learning under guys like Kobe and Artest, and on a team that values defense highly.

I don't mind Blake coming off the bench for a different coach in a slightly different system. We NEED am upgrade at starting PG however....

Fish played with Kobe most of his career, he still sucks at defense from the 1st day he step on the court. Curry while a great offensive player needs to shoot it alot and have the ball in his hands, he is not a stand still shooter, he needs the ball on the move. I dont if you can remember gsw gms, but dude can get beat by Fisher off the dribble, thats freakin horrible.

You clearly just started watching the lakers because fisher was a more than adequate defender in his athletic prime. At time he was damn good during the first threepeat

Curry has played in a system and team that places much less emphasis on D than the lakers. Curry is probably never gonna be a great defender, but we don't need that. We just needs guy who can play his role, and curry's would be to space the floor, handle some playmaking duties, and play average D, all things he's capable of. I really wouldn't mind Kobe playing more off the ball as well, more in the post, and let Curry run the combo at times.

So the more I thought about it, the more I think GS should include their 11th pick in a potential deal. Two way centers are very rare in the league, and since I look at biedrens as basically a throw in to make salaries work, lakers are going to need a bit more to give up drew.

Would I do a Bynum for curry/biedrens deal? Probably

Would I do a Bynum for curry/biedrens/11 deal? Absolutely

We could pick up Burks or Thompson with that pick and not only be more balanced imo, but also get a lot younger.

[Doormatt]

Hi, I'm new here...

I don't think we really need to break our big 3 (Kobe, Drew and Pau) unless it is for Mr. Howard.

S&t with the rockets:

Abrooks+Warrick + scrub for Odom, ebanks and 2 2nd round picks

TPE for Trevor Ariza

S&T Brown for JR Smith

MLE for Kmart

Sign Tmac and JFoster for the minimum

Try to trade Blake + 2 2nd round picks for Bwallace

Brooks, Fish, Rookie
Kobe, SMith, Tmac
Artest,Walton,Ariza
Gasol, Kmart, Caracter
Bynum, Wallace, Warrick, JFoster

Balanced line-up i guess...

A) the chances of us getting Howard is incredibly low, at this point, we shouldnt even consider it a possibility.

B) we are not getting Ariza for an exemption. Hornets could get a solid starter or high to mid-first back for him and if they wanted salary relief, they could get more from another team.

C) Brooks is an URFA, we could just make him an offer to see if he bites. I would rather have odom than brooks so I don't care for that deal.

D) brown or JR would have to be a double S&T and i don't see why anybody would prefer brown over JR. But if we could do it, I would.

E) I agree we should offer kmart the MLE (or part of it). He would be a good backup. I'm also a fan of tmac for the vet minimum. I very much hope one of these things happen.

[LApwnd]

You clearly just started watching the lakers because fisher was a more than adequate defender in his athletic prime. At time he was damn good during the first threepeat

Curry has played in a system and team that places much less emphasis on D than the lakers. Curry is probably never gonna be a great defender, but we don't need that. We just needs guy who can play his role, and curry's would be to space the floor, handle some playmaking duties, and play average D, all things he's capable of. I really wouldn't mind Kobe playing more off the ball as well, more in the post, and let Curry run the combo at times.

So the more I thought about it, the more I think GS should include their 11th pick in a potential deal. Two way centers are very rare in the league, and since I look at biedrens as basically a throw in to make salaries work, lakers are going to need a bit more to give up drew.

Would I do a Bynum for curry/biedrens deal? Probably

Would I do a Bynum for curry/biedrens/11 deal? Absolutely

We could pick up Burks or Thompson with that pick and not only be more balanced imo, but also get a lot younger.

you must be JOKING, Fish has ALWAYS been horrible at DEFENSE, he just learned to flop more convincly over the years, he was NEVER able to stay in front of his man....fyi I watched ball since early 90s not that to long but what I've seen hardly equates to good defender out of Fish, so good even old man Shaw/Harper played more key role at the PG spot then Fish during the 3 peat ....guess you only been watching too since you think he's a good defender, only thing he's good at is flopping on picks to force the offensive fouls and everything else involving flops, he wasn't even starter during the 3peat era gtho....and if you really think Bien is going to be of any value other then a waste of $10mill/yr then you crazy then I thought, for whatever Offensive Curry brings the D will be reduced by 10x with Curry/Bien in the starting lineup, is it any wonder GSW still dont win enough games to make the playoff having a duo of Curry/Ellis with one of the best 3pt shooting in the league with Wright.

[Doormatt]

No, fisher has not always been HORRIBLE on defense and yes he was able to stay in front of his man. I said fish was an adequate defenders and at times damn good. Hell, just last year he played really good defense in the playoffs.

Fisher was always an average to above average defender, but once you hit 35+ as a guard who was never very athletic, you are going to see a sharp decline.

[LApwnd]

No, fisher has not always been HORRIBLE on defense and yes he was able to stay in front of his man. I said fish was an adequate defenders and at times damn good. Hell, just last year he played really good defense in the playoffs.

Fisher was always an average to above average defender, but once you hit 35+ as a guard who was never very athletic, you are going to see a sharp decline.

sharp decline if he was adquate, he sucked but I guess we see it differently.....who did he play good defense on last year? I give him credit for Deron Williams last year but that was more of a team effort since Utah had nobody else to worry bout on O, Westbrook even less experience tourched the team causing all sorts of problems, even Rafer in 08 did plenty of damage and I wound even mention the Brooks from 2 yrs ago. Well I can see why you think he's not horrible, you dont think Curry is either nor Bien, try watching more GSW games then....is it any wonder that 01-02 was the HARDEST of the chamionship, not only because it was the 3rd of part of the 3peat but guess what, Ron Harper retired and guess who was starting?

[Doormatt]

you must be JOKING, Fish has ALWAYS been horrible at DEFENSE, he just learned to flop more convincly over the years, he was NEVER able to stay in front of his man....fyi I watched ball since early 90s not that to long but what I've seen hardly equates to good defender out of Fish, so good even old man Shaw/Harper played more key role at the PG spot then Fish during the 3 peat ....guess you only been watching too since you think he's a good defender, only thing he's good at is flopping on picks to force the offensive fouls and everything else involving flops, he wasn't even starter during the 3peat era gtho....

MPG = minutes per game

derek fisher MPG: 1999/2000 -- 22.6 RS, 15.3 PO
2000/2001 -- 35.5 RS, 36.0 PO
2001/2002 -- 28.2 RS, 34.2 PO

brian shaw MPG: 1999/2000 -- 16.9 RS, 18.5 PO
2000/2001 -- 22.9 RS, 18.1 PO
2001/2002 -- 10.9 MP, 12.5 PO

yes brian shaw played a much bigger role than derek fisher. would you like me to post harper's MPG as well?

and if you really think Bien is going to be of any value other then a waste of $10mill/yr then you crazy then I thought, for whatever Offensive Curry brings the D will be reduced by 10x with Curry/Bien in the starting lineup, is it any wonder GSW still dont win enough games to make the playoff having a duo of Curry/Ellis with one of the best 3pt shooting in the league with Wright.

yes that is exactly why i said this:

So the more I thought about it, the more I think GS should include their 11th pick in a potential deal. Two way centers are very rare in the league, and since I look at biedrens as basically a throw in to make salaries work, lakers are going to need a bit more to give up drew.

never said biedrens was going to be anything other than a backup big for the lakers. if a deal like this happened, i imagine we would start odom/gasol.

[Jetset]

I wouldn't trade Bynum for anything on the GSW roster. Not that big of a fan of Curry's and lol hell no to Biedrins. We get ripped major in that deal.


I'm intrigued by trading Gasol to the Timberwolves. I was reading the thread on the Trade and Transactions board and it got me thinking, what if we traded Gasol/Ebanks/Future 1st to the T-Wolves for the #2 pick/Milicic/Flynn/Webster. Then struck a deal with NOH, something along the lines of Paul/Okafor/West for #2 pick/Flynn/Milicic/all of our 2nd rounders and one or two future 1sts.

LAL Roster

Paul/Blake/Fisher
Bryant/Barnes/Fisher
Artest/Webster
Okafor/West
Bynum/Gadzuric

I just threw West in there assuming NOH would like to get rid of him and his salary so they can begin to build around that #2 pick (D-Will) and Flynn.


NOH Roster

Flynn/Jack/Banks
Ariza/Belinelli/Green
Derrick Williams (he's gone on the record as to saying he wants to play SF not PF)/Pondexter/Ewing Jr.
Landry/Milicic/Smith
Gray/Mbenga/Anderson

[The_Trade_Seer]

I wouldn't trade Bynum for anything on the GSW roster. Not that big of a fan of Curry's and lol hell no to Biedrins. We get ripped major in that deal.

You wouldn't trade Bynum for Biedrins and Curry? Wow.

I'm intrigued by trading Gasol to the Timberwolves.

It does seem the T'Wolves are definitely going to move that #2 pick (which I think is a mistake but who cares, it's the Wolves) and since the Wiz are sort of out as a trading partner now that they don't have a top 5 pick, we could work something out with Kahn the goof ball.

I was reading the thread on the Trade and Transactions board and it got me thinking, what if we traded Gasol/Ebanks/Future 1st to the T-Wolves for the #2 pick/Milicic/Flynn/Webster.

That's a solid deal.

Then struck a deal with NOH, something along the lines of Paul/Okafor/West for #2 pick/Flynn/Milicic/all of our 2nd rounders and one or two future 1sts.

Good idea but to make the salaries work you'd have to include Bynum AND odom. West is also probably going to be an unrestricted FA so you might as well taske him out of that deal and if you then want to land Paul and Okefor, well ... I think the best we could do is to trade a TPE we get in the Minny trade (if it's big enough) for Okefor and then trade the #2 pick, Flynn, Darko AND Martell Webster or Artest, etc for CP3. The problem with that is I doubt the Hornets would want Webster or Artest when they already have Ariza and Pondexter and I know they won't want Darko! Sure they'll want Flynn and #2 pick Derrick Williams but I'm not sure if they accept Darko and Webster.

Of course, if we really land that trade with the Hornets, a roster as follows wouldn't look to bad to me:

PG: Fisher/Flynn (would play the most PG mins)/Blake
SG: Kobe/Webster/Barnes
SF: Williams/Artest/Walton
PF: Odom/Caracter
C: Bynum/

That's not bad at all. Flynn would give us a very nice PG that can penetrate andf lead .. but needs to learn to shoot ... Williams is a stud and could play the 3 and 4 for us ... our only problem area would be at C and we would need to get a quality back-up for Bynum, especially befaue Andrew could miss his customary half a season again!

I just threw West in there assuming NOH would like to get rid of him and his salary so they can begin to build around that #2 pick (D-Will) and Flynn.

Again, just landing CP3 would be tough salary wise, adding in Okefor would never work without a massive TPE from the Wolves trade ... adding west, not gonna happen.

[LApwnd]

never said biedrens was going to be anything other than a backup big for the lakers. if a deal like this happened, i imagine we would start odom/gasol.

ey who lead the 15 pt come back against Por in that fourth in 99? Who usually had to check the oppsooing best G? sure as hell wasn't Fisher....so great defensively that we have to resort to bringing in a washed up Payton in 04 huh? As for Biens being a throw in, yea some throw in, $10mill/yr to come off the bench my god , for that kind of money he better be the best dam bench player in the league.....but probably not to worried he'll be starting in no time with our "air apparent" injury prone C goes down with his annual vacation...its going to be comical when Bien starts next to Odom but hey who cares, we'll have Curry chucking away from 3's and while giving up just as much if not more then he scores himself....it'll just be like Fish all over again but much more chucking and probably more made layups at least

[Doormatt]

never said biedrens was going to be anything other than a backup big for the lakers. if a deal like this happened, i imagine we would start odom/gasol.

ey who lead the 15 pt come back against Por in that fourth in 99? Who usually had to check the oppsooing best G? sure as hell wasn't Fisher....so great defensively that we have to resort to bringing in a washed up Payton in 04 huh? As for Biens being a throw in, yea some throw in, $10mill/yr to come off the bench my god , for that kind of money he better be the best dam bench player in the league.....but probably not to worried he'll be starting in no time with our "air apparent" injury prone C goes down with his annual vacation...its going to be comical when Bien starts next to Odom but hey who cares, we'll have Curry chucking away from 3's and while giving up just as much if not more then he scores himself....it'll just be like Fish all over again but much more chucking and probably more made layups at least

Why do you keep calling curry a chucker? do you have any idea what you are talking about?

answer: no.

[Doormatt]

I wouldn't trade Bynum for anything on the GSW roster. Not that big of a fan of Curry's and lol hell no to Biedrins. We get ripped major in that deal.


I'm intrigued by trading Gasol to the Timberwolves. I was reading the thread on the Trade and Transactions board and it got me thinking, what if we traded Gasol/Ebanks/Future 1st to the T-Wolves for the #2 pick/Milicic/Flynn/Webster. Then struck a deal with NOH, something along the lines of Paul/Okafor/West for #2 pick/Flynn/Milicic/all of our 2nd rounders and one or two future 1sts.

LAL Roster

Paul/Blake/Fisher
Bryant/Barnes/Fisher
Artest/Webster
Okafor/West
Bynum/Gadzuric

I just threw West in there assuming NOH would like to get rid of him and his salary so they can begin to build around that #2 pick (D-Will) and Flynn.


NOH Roster

Flynn/Jack/Banks
Ariza/Belinelli/Green
Derrick Williams (he's gone on the record as to saying he wants to play SF not PF)/Pondexter/Ewing Jr.
Landry/Milicic/Smith
Gray/Mbenga/Anderson

jetset, why would the hornets trade that package for gasol when they could, as you seem to think, GET CHRIS PAUL WITH IT?

anyway, i think Curry/Beans/11 would be amazing value for bynum. the pick doesnt HAVE to be included, but id prefer it...