Official trade thread 2012-13

[Kobe System]

Lakers want youth, a back up PF/C, back PG, back up SG.

Raptors want Gasol.

Clippers want Garnett.

Celtics rebuilding.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=avlvfbk

How do Celtics rebuild with toxic contracts of Jordan, Bargs and Fields?

[JohnVancouver]

Kyle Korver reported available ... interest/ideas?

[Train7492]

With the Raptors interested in Gasol, would it interest the Lakers if the Pacers got involved.

Lakers in: Bargs, Granger, Hansbrough
Lakers out: Gasol, Jamison, Hill

I know the Lakers take on some money, so that might be a problem. Granger is do back next week I believe.

Pacers in: Kleiza, Ross, Hill, Jamison
Pacers out: Granger, Hansbrough

For the Pacers it gives them a young prospect at SG and a PF for next year in Hill when he comes back if they loose West. Jamison fills the role of Hasbrough for the rest of the year.

Raptors in: Gasol
Raptors out: Bargs, Kleiza, Ross

For the Raptors they get the guy they want and move a bad contract in Bargs, and Kleiza.

A few other scrubs may have to be included to clean roster spots but nothing that would really hurt any of the teams involved.
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[tenten]

What the hell, look at the projected wins.

Is Gasol really that bad?

replacing him with
A. Johnson
Billups
Ross
Bledso

gets the team +6 wins? can those 4 start for any NBA team?

Lakers want youth, a back up PF/C, back PG, back up SG.

Raptors want Gasol.

Clippers want Garnett.

Celtics rebuilding.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=avlvfbk

[LApwnd]

Pau, Scare and or Ebanks (if he waives his bird rights), Blake, maybe even Meeks if they want him
for
Ellis, Dunleavy, Dalembert

#1 doesn't kill our 2014 plan
#2 Ellis is that elite bench player that actually deserves a green light to chuck away unlike Metta, Meeks, etc.
#3 Dunleavy is our floor spacer @ the 3 we desperately need
Milw is already a playoff contender, adding Pau to that team could do wonders for their post play as they lack any of that sort. Its a bad judgement to make from the Milw game we played against them but Ellis/Jennings aren't great pair defensively, offensively they just do their own thing and I guess it works for the most part IMO so clearing Ellis will give Jennings the ball controll again.

[soxfan2003]

Frankly, the only way I see the Celtics trading with the Lakers is if the Lakers overpay. And the only logical reason for the Lakers to overpay is for LA to try to win a championship in the next 2 years before Kobe possibly retires.

KG and PP for Dwight Howard who publicly agrees to sign with Boston and MWP. And I doubt Howard would agree to sign with Boston.

This trade dramatically improves the Lakers chances to win a championship this year and IMHO makes the Lakers the favorites even without HCA but obviously forces them to do a complete rebuild without a building block 2-3 years from now.

The Lakers offense would be fabulous since 4 of the 5 starters can really shoot from the perimeter and all 5 guys can pass the ball. And no one is a bad free throw shooter.

And I wouldn't even be shocked if the Lakers defense improved as well.

[EArl]

Frankly, the only way I see the Celtics trading with the Lakers is if the Lakers overpay. And the only logical reason for the Lakers to overpay is for LA to try to win a championship in the next 2 years before Kobe possibly retires.

KG and PP for Dwight Howard who publicly agrees to sign with Boston and MWP. And I doubt Howard would agree to sign with Boston.

This trade dramatically improves the Lakers chances to win a championship this year and IMHO makes the Lakers the favorites even without HCA but obviously forces them to do a complete rebuild without a building block 2-3 years from now.

The Lakers offense would be fabulous since 4 of the 5 starters can really shoot from the perimeter and all 5 guys can pass the ball. And no one is a bad free throw shooter.

And I wouldn't even be shocked if the Lakers defense improved as well.

Why would we trade for the geriatric squad?

Its obvious you are a Boston fan. Stop trolling.

[Dr Aki]

Frankly, the only way I see the Celtics trading with the Lakers is if the Lakers overpay. And the only logical reason for the Lakers to overpay is for LA to try to win a championship in the next 2 years before Kobe possibly retires.

KG and PP for Dwight Howard who publicly agrees to sign with Boston and MWP. And I doubt Howard would agree to sign with Boston.

This trade dramatically improves the Lakers chances to win a championship this year and IMHO makes the Lakers the favorites even without HCA but obviously forces them to do a complete rebuild without a building block 2-3 years from now.

The Lakers offense would be fabulous since 4 of the 5 starters can really shoot from the perimeter and all 5 guys can pass the ball. And no one is a bad free throw shooter.

And I wouldn't even be shocked if the Lakers defense improved as well.

lakers dont have to overpay

they just have to beat the clips' offer, which probably means dwight

which probably means no thank you

but at the end of the day, its KG's no trade clause and we'll see how low boston is willing to go before saying **** it, lets just be done with it

[soxfan2003]

Frankly, the only way I see the Celtics trading with the Lakers is if the Lakers overpay. And the only logical reason for the Lakers to overpay is for LA to try to win a championship in the next 2 years before Kobe possibly retires.

KG and PP for Dwight Howard who publicly agrees to sign with Boston and MWP. And I doubt Howard would agree to sign with Boston.

This trade dramatically improves the Lakers chances to win a championship this year and IMHO makes the Lakers the favorites even without HCA but obviously forces them to do a complete rebuild without a building block 2-3 years from now.

The Lakers offense would be fabulous since 4 of the 5 starters can really shoot from the perimeter and all 5 guys can pass the ball. And no one is a bad free throw shooter.

And I wouldn't even be shocked if the Lakers defense improved as well.

Why would we trade for the geriatric squad?

Its obvious you are a Boston fan. Stop trolling.

The Celtics geriatric squad took the Heat to 7 games last year and probably would have beaten them if Avery Bradley was hurt.

And the reason the Celtics did better then expected in the playoffs was KG who literally was a top 5 post season player last year. After Lebron, Durant and perhaps Chris Paul, I honestly feel KG was the fourth best player last post season.

KG is 7ft"1 and very long and highly skilled and that is why he is still a very high impact player at his current age.

Admittedly, I am a Boston fan and quite frankly I WOULDN"T even do this trade myself since I do think it would help the Lakers get 1-2 more titles and I'm not convinced the Celtics could win a championship with Howard within the next 5 years since there is a good chance Howard doesn't start to become better then KG plus PP until after next season. The Celtics would have that much use for MWP. Howard isn't like KG, Duncan or Kareem or even Shaq. He isn't going to be much of a contributor at all at age 32 unless he becomes much more skilled as a shooter. He relies on amazing athleticism but he isn't super long/tall or even super strong/big like Shaq so when that athleticism goes, his game goes.

Frankly if the Celtics could add a young Horace Grant like PF while just giving up the injured Rondo and this first round pick, I'd like their chances to beat the Heat in a playoff series. And if they get to the finals, anything can happen.

[soxfan2003]

Frankly, the only way I see the Celtics trading with the Lakers is if the Lakers overpay. And the only logical reason for the Lakers to overpay is for LA to try to win a championship in the next 2 years before Kobe possibly retires.

KG and PP for Dwight Howard who publicly agrees to sign with Boston and MWP. And I doubt Howard would agree to sign with Boston.

This trade dramatically improves the Lakers chances to win a championship this year and IMHO makes the Lakers the favorites even without HCA but obviously forces them to do a complete rebuild without a building block 2-3 years from now.

The Lakers offense would be fabulous since 4 of the 5 starters can really shoot from the perimeter and all 5 guys can pass the ball. And no one is a bad free throw shooter.

And I wouldn't even be shocked if the Lakers defense improved as well.

lakers dont have to overpay

they just have to beat the clips' offer, which probably means dwight

which probably means no thank you

but at the end of the day, its KG's no trade clause and we'll see how low boston is willing to go before saying **** it, lets just be done with it

I just don't see the Celtics willing to go low at all unless KG asks out or discreetly had an agreement with Ainge to be traded to a contender if the Celtics had no shot. Ainge and the Celtics know what he brings to the table and they don't underrate it at all.

The Celtics clearly aren't a contender right now but they have shown enough during the current 4 game win streak of vastly improved play to think that with one trade(Rondo, Sullinger and perhaps a first round pick) for a very good veteran big, they could be contending and give the Heat much more of a challenge then even last year.

And yes, next year PP and KG will be one year older but there is always at least a slight chance they could surround them with another impact player via either a trade or perhaps someone like Oden agreeing to go to Boston. Oden is a long shot but he did visit the Celtics and an Oden at even 85% of what his maximum would have been in the NBA would be more then enough to make this years Celtics team legit contenders.

KG is worth millions to the Celtics in terms of playoff revenue and probably TV ratings so simply put, I don't see the Celtics trading him in a deal that isn't very good for them unless its simply to do KG a favor.

[Dr Aki]

Frankly, the only way I see the Celtics trading with the Lakers is if the Lakers overpay. And the only logical reason for the Lakers to overpay is for LA to try to win a championship in the next 2 years before Kobe possibly retires.

KG and PP for Dwight Howard who publicly agrees to sign with Boston and MWP. And I doubt Howard would agree to sign with Boston.

This trade dramatically improves the Lakers chances to win a championship this year and IMHO makes the Lakers the favorites even without HCA but obviously forces them to do a complete rebuild without a building block 2-3 years from now.

The Lakers offense would be fabulous since 4 of the 5 starters can really shoot from the perimeter and all 5 guys can pass the ball. And no one is a bad free throw shooter.

And I wouldn't even be shocked if the Lakers defense improved as well.

lakers dont have to overpay

they just have to beat the clips' offer, which probably means dwight

which probably means no thank you

but at the end of the day, its KG's no trade clause and we'll see how low boston is willing to go before saying **** it, lets just be done with it

I just don't see the Celtics willing to go low at all unless KG asks out or discreetly had an agreement with Ainge to be traded to a contender if the Celtics had no shot. Ainge and the Celtics know what he brings to the table and they don't underrate it at all.

The Celtics clearly aren't a contender right now but they have shown enough during the current 4 game win streak of vastly improved play to think that with one trade(Rondo, Sullinger and perhaps a first round pick) for a very good veteran big, they could be contending and give the Heat much more of a challenge then even last year.

And yes, next year PP and KG will be one year older but there is always at least a slight chance they could surround them with another impact player via either a trade or perhaps someone like Oden agreeing to go to Boston. Oden is a long shot but he did visit the Celtics and an Oden at even 85% of what his maximum would have been in the NBA would be more then enough to make this years Celtics team legit contenders.

KG is worth millions to the Celtics in terms of playoff revenue and probably TV ratings so simply put, I don't see the Celtics trading him in a deal that isn't very good for them unless its simply to do KG a favor.

the reason we're even having this discussion is because the future is beckoning for the celtics and management can see a smooth transition if they can find takers for PP and KG and get assets for them

you dont have to be a genius to see they have as much value now than they ever will.

the issue will be KG and whether he wants out (ie compete for rings). but we don't need to see an interview or an ESPN report to know time is of the essence.

they've both got 2 years left. they can fetch great value. but not from the lakers. not unless pau gasol is "good value" in boston's eyes

[LApwnd]

Frankly, the only way I see the Celtics trading with the Lakers is if the Lakers overpay. And the only logical reason for the Lakers to overpay is for LA to try to win a championship in the next 2 years before Kobe possibly retires.

KG and PP for Dwight Howard who publicly agrees to sign with Boston and MWP. And I doubt Howard would agree to sign with Boston.

This trade dramatically improves the Lakers chances to win a championship this year and IMHO makes the Lakers the favorites even without HCA but obviously forces them to do a complete rebuild without a building block 2-3 years from now.

The Lakers offense would be fabulous since 4 of the 5 starters can really shoot from the perimeter and all 5 guys can pass the ball. And no one is a bad free throw shooter.

And I wouldn't even be shocked if the Lakers defense improved as well.

Why would we trade for the geriatric squad?

Its obvious you are a Boston fan. Stop trolling.

The Celtics geriatric squad took the Heat to 7 games last year and probably would have beaten them if Avery Bradley was hurt.

And the reason the Celtics did better then expected in the playoffs was KG who literally was a top 5 post season player last year. After Lebron, Durant and perhaps Chris Paul, I honestly feel KG was the fourth best player last post season.

KG is 7ft"1 and very long and highly skilled and that is why he is still a very high impact player at his current age.

Admittedly, I am a Boston fan and quite frankly I WOULDN"T even do this trade myself since I do think it would help the Lakers get 1-2 more titles and I'm not convinced the Celtics could win a championship with Howard within the next 5 years since there is a good chance Howard doesn't start to become better then KG plus PP until after next season. The Celtics would have that much use for MWP. Howard isn't like KG, Duncan or Kareem or even Shaq. He isn't going to be much of a contributor at all at age 32 unless he becomes much more skilled as a shooter. He relies on amazing athleticism but he isn't super long/tall or even super strong/big like Shaq so when that athleticism goes, his game goes.

Frankly if the Celtics could add a young Horace Grant like PF while just giving up the injured Rondo and this first round pick, I'd like their chances to beat the Heat in a playoff series. And if they get to the finals, anything can happen.

its comical you guys still play that "if we had Avery card" you guys make it sound as if he some sort of franchise game changer and all the mean while igroning the fact that once BOSH got back that series didn't even look competitive, its the same way you guys laughed at us for complaining bout not having Bynum/Ariza for 08 . That series was fools gold, you guys should've rebuilt but instead tried to milk that squad for all its got and now you're in as bad a spot as we are, minus the fact you guys are in the 8th spot with very little competition to be had.

[yoshii8]

What abour Monta Ellis and Sam Dalembert for Gasol?

[EArl]

What abour Monta Ellis and Sam Dalembert for Gasol?

If you give us Udrih and Dunleavey and we get to unload Blake and Duhon I would jump on it.

Lakers
Ellis
Udrih
Dalembert
Dunleavey

Bucks
Gasol
Blake
Duhon
Ebanks

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=amd4sux

All of our contracts except Ellis expire at the end of the year.


Lakers
Nash Udrih
Kobe Ellis
Metta Dunleavey
Clark Jamison
Howard Dalembert

Bucks
Jennings Blake
Daniels Lamb
Ilyasova Ebanks
A Moute Henson
Gasol Sanders

[EArl]

I would be conservative and just do

Lakers
Elllis
Udrih
Dalembert

Bucks
Gasol
Blake
Duhon

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awae4ar



Lakers
Nash Udrih
Kobe Ellis
Metta
Clark Jamison
Howard Dalembert

[LApwnd]

I would be conservative and just do

Lakers
Elllis
Udrih
Dalembert

Bucks
Gasol
Blake
Duhon

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awae4ar



Lakers
Nash Udrih
Kobe Ellis
Metta
Clark Jamison
Howard Dalembert

ellis, dalembert, dunleavy
for
Pau, Duhon, Ebanks (if he waives his birds rights), Sacre

works to on the trade checker
but your verison works for me too, would like Dunleavy more for the floor spacing and actual 3 that can hit WIDE open shots unlike Metta World Chucker.

[LApwnd]

reading Bucks form, it appears they're not as worried about Paus contract as Minn, man those guys are scared to take any type of big contract even though its not even their money lol.

[tviper]

reading Bucks form, it appears they're not as worried about Paus contract as Minn, man those guys are scared to take any type of big contract even though its not even their money lol.

I also find it odd how the MIN posters are so concerned about Pau's contract as if they are going to be able to sign a max FA next year or something. They talk about flexibility, etc., which has some merit, but at the end of the day when you can add one of the best low post players in the game, you don't worry about such things. Especially with Rubio as your designated max guy (so far since they didn't give Love the max years), don't you want to keep him happy? Just never understood the sentiment.

[TyCobb]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=adhsty9

[IamBBAnalysis]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a9d3efb

Why?

1) Trying to make something realistic for all teams and what they are actually "wanting to do"
2) Under the premise you keep Howard and need floor spacing for him and Nash
3) Try to win now and have something for the future

Lakers get:

Wesley Matthews
Brandon Roy (take on contract)
Bargani

Kind of a risk taking on Bargani but the guy is actually kind of underrated now based on how people are ripping on him. The Lakers could really use shooters both on the wing and at the 4. And you would still be relying on team team and Howard.

Nash
Kobe
Dwight
Bargani
Artest

Bench:

Blake
Matthews (sg/sf)
Jamison
Clark

Portland gets Pekovic (center they need)
Minnesota gets two centers and young player in Ross at sg they need
Toronto gets Gasol to go with Lowry, Gay, Derozan to compete now.

Not saying I would do it but just messing around...