Official Transaction Ideas thread

[The_Trade_Seer]

Bynum and Blake for a re-signed Nene, Felton and a #1 pick ... I'd love to somehow throw in Shannon and get back J.R. Smith too!

[CX44]

Gasol, blake, and Caracter for Felton, Gallinari, and Harington. Lakers get a PG and a young PF in Gallinari but have to taken on Harrington and his bad contact. Denver gets a starting allstar PF, and back PG, and a backup bigman in Caracter. I don't think either team would do this but if the Lakers trade either of their bigmen they are not going to get an allstar PG and allstar bigman back. So maybe you take an above avg PG with upward potential and a PF or SF who could be an above avg offensive player but won't be anything special on the defensive end.

[Doormatt]

Bynum and Blake for a re-signed Nene, Felton and a #1 pick ... I'd love to somehow throw in Shannon and get back J.R. Smith too!

why would denver do that? nene is a superior offensive player in every way to bynum, and still has a decent impact on defense. on top of that, they arent just going to take on blake, who is a poor backup PG, for a borderline all-star and #1 pick. the only way i could see it is if nene has no intentions of staying and denver just want something in return. but then nene would have to agree to go the lakers, and resign with them.

i just dont see how it works.

[Doormatt]

i think the lakers best bet is to go all out for howard, offer bynum+gasol, and then see how the team looks after barnes and shannon decide what they want to do. lets just assume the magic accept a bynum+gasol+filler for howard+bass+filler (filler to make salaries match). then lets just assume that barnes stays, and shannon walks. then we'd not only need a starting PG who isnt 100000000 years old, but also a backup SG.

you never know what the lakers would be giving up in a (hypothetical) howard trade, or what they would be getting back. maybe the magic would like to keep bass along with gasol and bynum, but get rid of nelson. then the lakers would need to address the PF position (or backup PF if they started odom).

this offseason will be interesting, but i really dont see this dynasty getting renewed if we cant get an impact player like dwight. marginal upgrades at PG and SF (like felton and gallo) arent going to be enough imo.

then again the lakers might not do anything and just try to ride this out. that would be a mistake imo, but im no GM.

[CX44]

Why would the Lakers trade their best 2 front court players for Howard. Howard is good don't get me wrong but the Lakers have an aging Kobe Bryant not a young one as they did when they brought in Shaq. Howard can't be counted on to close out a game because of his poro FT shooting. He is physcially the most imposing player in the league but beyone being physcially stronger than everybody else he doesn't offer mcuh more offensively. As much as I despise Shaq now he could do a lot on the ofensive end (except shoot FT's). I understand the concerns about Bynum's knee's but Your two best bigmen for Howard only makes the Lakers weaker not stronger. Do you really think the Lakers would have finished 2nd in the West with only Howard and no Bynum and Gasol. I don't think so.

[Doormatt]

Why would the Lakers trade their best 2 front court players for Howard. Howard is good don't get me wrong but the Lakers have an aging Kobe Bryant not a young one as they did when they brought in Shaq. Howard can't be counted on to close out a game because of his poro FT shooting. He is physcially the most imposing player in the league but beyone being physcially stronger than everybody else he doesn't offer mcuh more offensively. As much as I despise Shaq now he could do a lot on the ofensive end (except shoot FT's). I understand the concerns about Bynum's knee's but Your two best bigmen for Howard only makes the Lakers weaker not stronger. Do you really think the Lakers would have finished 2nd in the West with only Howard and no Bynum and Gasol. I don't think so.

The lakers certainly wouldn't just pair up Kobe and Howard and expect shaq/Kobe 2.0. They'd probably try to upgrade the PG position (like acquiring jameer in the process) or find a suitable PF to keep odom on the bench.

You are clearly underestimating what Howard would mean to this franchise. Not only would it extend the current rosters ability to compete at a high level, but he would also be the perfect piece to build around if the lakers choose to do so.

Obviously the lakers wouldn't trade gasol+Bynum for just Howard (salaries wouldn't work at all anyway). They'd expect to get a small piece back like Nelson or bass, or maybe even try to get a third team involved.

[The Magic Man]

i think the lakers best bet is to go all out for howard, offer bynum+gasol, and then see how the team looks after barnes and shannon decide what they want to do. lets just assume the magic accept a bynum+gasol+filler for howard+bass+filler (filler to make salaries match). then lets just assume that barnes stays, and shannon walks. then we'd not only need a starting PG who isnt 100000000 years old, but also a backup SG.

you never know what the lakers would be giving up in a (hypothetical) howard trade, or what they would be getting back. maybe the magic would like to keep bass along with gasol and bynum, but get rid of nelson. then the lakers would need to address the PF position (or backup PF if they started odom).

this offseason will be interesting, but i really dont see this dynasty getting renewed if we cant get an impact player like dwight. marginal upgrades at PG and SF (like felton and gallo) arent going to be enough imo.

then again the lakers might not do anything and just try to ride this out. that would be a mistake imo, but im no GM.

Finally a Laker with some common sense,the only way the Magic even trade Dwight is if they got back Gasol and Bynum,and you would have to take back Turk or Arenas as well.

Dwight/Odom is a better frontcourt than Bynum/Gasoft.

[Jetset]

i think the lakers best bet is to go all out for howard, offer bynum+gasol, and then see how the team looks after barnes and shannon decide what they want to do. lets just assume the magic accept a bynum+gasol+filler for howard+bass+filler (filler to make salaries match). then lets just assume that barnes stays, and shannon walks. then we'd not only need a starting PG who isnt 100000000 years old, but also a backup SG.

you never know what the lakers would be giving up in a (hypothetical) howard trade, or what they would be getting back. maybe the magic would like to keep bass along with gasol and bynum, but get rid of nelson. then the lakers would need to address the PF position (or backup PF if they started odom).

this offseason will be interesting, but i really dont see this dynasty getting renewed if we cant get an impact player like dwight. marginal upgrades at PG and SF (like felton and gallo) arent going to be enough imo.

then again the lakers might not do anything and just try to ride this out. that would be a mistake imo, but im no GM.

Finally a Laker with some common sense,the only way the Magic even trade Dwight is if they got back Gasol and Bynum,and you would have to take back Turk or Arenas as well.

Dwight/Odom is a better frontcourt than Bynum/Gasoft.

Ah....a Magic fan. Before it was a 0% chance that Howard would be traded to L.A. but now that it appears that the Magic will be bounced in the first round, you're all finally waking up and realizing that the honeymoon is over.

A couple things. If Orlando demanded Gasol+Bynum in any deal involving Howard don't think that F.O. would let that deter them from pulling the trigger. The thing is since Orlando will be a rebuilding team after they trade Howard, why would they take the contract of a 31 yr old PF who stands to make $18-19mil a year up until the 14/15 season? It doesn't make sense, but if thats what would take to get the deal done then best believe it would be done. This would also benefit L.A. because even if they absorbed Turkoglu, the Lakers would have roughly $7 mil to build a decent bench with as opposed to if they had both Gasol and Howard on the payroll.

But don't think it would just be Howard and Arenas/Turkoglu getting traded to L.A., either Bass or Nelson would be included in the deal as well, friend.

[Doormatt]

i think the lakers best bet is to go all out for howard, offer bynum+gasol, and then see how the team looks after barnes and shannon decide what they want to do. lets just assume the magic accept a bynum+gasol+filler for howard+bass+filler (filler to make salaries match). then lets just assume that barnes stays, and shannon walks. then we'd not only need a starting PG who isnt 100000000 years old, but also a backup SG.

you never know what the lakers would be giving up in a (hypothetical) howard trade, or what they would be getting back. maybe the magic would like to keep bass along with gasol and bynum, but get rid of nelson. then the lakers would need to address the PF position (or backup PF if they started odom).

this offseason will be interesting, but i really dont see this dynasty getting renewed if we cant get an impact player like dwight. marginal upgrades at PG and SF (like felton and gallo) arent going to be enough imo.

then again the lakers might not do anything and just try to ride this out. that would be a mistake imo, but im no GM.

Finally a Laker with some common sense,the only way the Magic even trade Dwight is if they got back Gasol and Bynum,and you would have to take back Turk or Arenas as well.

Dwight/Odom is a better frontcourt than Bynum/Gasoft.

yes, unlike some lakers fans, i try to look at the trade from the other teams perspective. bynum or gasol by themselves arent even close to being of equivalent value to howard.

i worked this out in the ESPN trade machine earlier:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3knm3gj

its really probably the closest thing to equal value. i think the lakers are too dependent on kobe and howard in that situation tho, and the bench takes a major hit with odom having to start at PF. imo it doesnt mmake the lakers world beaters, because the lack any sort of depth, and are like i said, too dependent on the howard/kobe duo. maybe if a third team could get involved, and send the lakers a good bench player, then it would make sense for both teams.

for the magic, they get to dump arenas on the lakers (while taking on less horrible contract in walton), which im sure will make them happy. plus they still stay competitive with a frontcourt of bynum/gasol/bass. they would be getting a very nice contract with bynum as well, 2 years left, with the last being a team option.

[Doormatt]

a more laker friendly scenario:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=63ro3te

difficult to see why the magic would just throw in nelson and get back blake in return tho. prolly have to resign shannon and then ship him off in the deal as well. still think the lakers would need a spark off the bench, but this would be one hell of a starting 5.

nelson/fisher
kobe/arenas
artest/barnes/ebanks
odom/orton
howard/caracter?

idk we'd need a backup center as well. bench would be pretty terrible, unless we got something out of arenas.

[Jetset]

This isn't exactly CP3 or Howard related so I wouldn't be surprised if it goes looked over. I hope this team makes some moves during the draft, not necessarily for anything in this year's draft but for the future. Like possibly trading Brown/Blake to a team for a 2012 1st would be a smart idea. Not only does it net us a parting gift for Shannon, we also get from under the mistake that was signing Steve Blake.

Of course, no post from Jetset in the Official Transaction Ideas thread would go complete without a slim pipedream. Next year's draft is supposed to be the best one in recent years, possibly dating back to the 2003 draft. There's going to be plenty of talent that will end up in the early-mid 20's that would be top 15 in weaker drafts, one of those talents is UNC's Kendall Marshall. With the way that draft is looking now he's projected to go somewhere between 17-24, and assuming that our pick is in the 27-30 range as usual we should have no problem dealing the two 1st's and jumping into that range. Unless the pick we traded for is already in that range, then great we either go BPA with the late pick or just sell it as usual.

It's clear this squad is in need of some serious youth and with drafting Marshall it's obviously a major upgrade at our weakest position. More importantly we need youth that can come in and contribute right away and if you've seen any of the UNC games of last year, you'd know that Kendall is very polished for his age and could be seen contributing right away to whichever team drafts him. He's not an athlete like recent successful PG prospects such as John Wall, Derrick Rose, etc. but he has a nice change of speed and already possesses better passing ability and court vision than the aforementioned. He also isn't a selfish player so there should be no chemistry problems between him and the veterans, more namely Kobe. Just some food for thought.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Steve Blake was a good signing ... and ... Kendall Marshall was only a freshman for the tarheels last year ... he'll be returning along with Barnes, Henson and Zeller to win a title in his sophmore year ... and ... even if he came out he would be a LATE 2nd rounder at best not a 17-24 1st rounder ... no thanks!

[Jetset]

Steve Blake was a good signing ... and ... Kendall Marshall was only a freshman for the tarheels last year ... he'll be returning along with Barnes, Henson and Zeller to win a title in his sophmore year ... and ... even if he came out he would be a LATE 2nd rounder at best not a 17-24 1st rounder ... no thanks!

I'm standing by my opinion that Blake has failed to live up to the standards that I believe mgmt had when they signed him.

Are you really trying to tell me about college basketball? I know he's returning, which is why I said trade them for a 2012 pick. Look I live in North Carolina and saw mostly every single UNC/Duke game that was televised and UNC was complete and utter garbage before Kendall Marshall became the starting PG. The kid is a playmaker through and through, he's already a "floor general" as some people like to call good PG's. If you had seen him play during the season, you'd most likely compare him to Rondo. Marshall isn't fast like him and doesn't have a crazy long wingspan like Rondo, but in terms of running an offense and getting the ball to his man using craftiness and an arsenal of passes Kendall is exactly the same. But I think Marshall already has a more developed offensive game than Rondo in seeing that he can knock down jumpers consistently and make FT's. Some have compared him to a young Jason Kidd minus the rebounding and athletic ability that Kidd had, but I think thats too high of praises right now so I'll stick with the Rondo comparison for right now. For you to say that about Marshall leads me to believe that you haven't watched a single UNC basketball game all last season, and it puzzles me as to why you would even comment about something you haven't even watched. Unless you're just talking to make yourself seem all-knowing.

And really a late 2nd round pick? Just stop man basketball isn't your thing, maybe you should try some other boards like pro wrestling. I actually think you may have a profession in script writing for the WWE, judging from some of the scenarios you've made.

[Jetset]

Kenyon Martin, who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, said that playing for a winner was more important than finding a starting role.

"At this point in my career, I think winning and being part of a winning team is more important than starting," Martin said.

Martin was asked if the Nuggets could fit that role of a winning franchise.

"Winning? Yeah," he said after the players cleaned out their lockers at Pepsi Center. "But we'll see (about signing)."

Martin said there wasn't an offer "on the table right now."

"The season just ended, it's still fresh," he said. "We'll play it as it lies."

Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri said it was possible Martin would be re-signed. Still, it's early in the process.

Via Ryan Casey/Denver Post

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213405/Nuggets_Martin_Willing_To_Come_Off_Bench_For_Winning_Team

Any takers?

[The_Trade_Seer]

I'm standing by my opinion that Blake has failed to live up to the standards that I believe mgmt had when they signed him.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that but he is still on a decent contract and with Fisher getting older, they need Blake for insurance.

Are you really trying to tell me about college basketball?

Um, yup, all day, evey day! I know college ball like the back of my hand.

I know he's returning, which is why I said trade them for a 2012 pick.

I re-read your post and saw the "next year's draft" which I missed the first time as you never said 2012. My bad.

Look I live in North Carolina and saw mostly every single UNC/Duke game that was televised

Hahahaha, that is some funny stuff right there ... it is not a bonus for you to be in NC if you're just watching the game on tv like the rest of us dude! Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids

and UNC was complete and utter garbage before Kendall Marshall became the starting PG.

I agree.

The kid is a playmaker through and through, he's already a "floor general" as some people like to call good PG's. If you had seen him play during the season, you'd most likely compare him to Rondo. Marshall isn't fast like him and doesn't have a crazy long wingspan like Rondo, but in terms of running an offense and getting the ball to his man using craftiness and an arsenal of passes Kendall is exactly the same.

Great, just what we need a Rondo without Rondo's athleticism ... I'll pass! I hate Rondo's game and can't stand PG's that can't shoot to save their lives ... Kenny Anderson clones ... again, I'll pass.

But I think Marshall already has a more developed offensive game than Rondo in seeing that he can knock down jumpers consistently and make FT's.

What? I thought you said you watched all the games? Kendall SUCKS as a shooter ... he hit on under 42% from the field, attempted less than a trey and a half per game showing he's scared to shoot them and shot a HORRIBLE 69% from the charity stripe ... I'll pass!

Some have compared him to a young Jason Kidd

Stop it, please, just stop

minus the rebounding and athletic ability that Kidd had,

Ohhhh, Kidd without Kidd's skill, yeah that sounds about right and is like saying he's akin to Magic Johnson, just without eyes and hands, hahahahaha.

but I think thats too high of praises right now so I'll stick with the Rondo comparison for right now.

You do that ...

For you to say that about Marshall leads me to believe that you haven't watched a single UNC basketball game all last season, and it puzzles me as to why you would even comment about something you haven't even watched. Unless you're just talking to make yourself seem all-knowing.

I said it because it's true ... Kendall would be a late 2nd round pick in this year's draft, probably behind Etuan Moore ... as for watching games on television, um yeah, I saw most of carolina's games this year, including when they lost to underdog Kentucky in a game which marshall shot 2-10 and got torched by Brandon Knight!

And really a late 2nd round pick? Just stop man basketball isn't your thing, maybe you should try some other boards like pro wrestling. I actually think you may have a profession in script writing for the WWE, judging from some of the scenarios you've made.

Hahaha, keep watching those UNC games on TV from inside the state of North Carolina ... that gives you all the cred in the world

[Jetset]

^ That's really annoying having to read broken text. It's a shame you took all your precious time quoting me paragraph by paragraph and all you managed to do was post silly, childish retorts. Actually, assuming you don't own any College Basketball package there's no way you could've seen all the UNC games because not all of them came on ESPN. A good chunk were shown on local broadcasting, which is different for every state "Silly Rabbit".

Kendall doesn't suck as a shooter, he's not refined yet but he's far from sucking. He is sometimes afraid to shoot the ball which is why most of the time he drives to the rim and either scores or he dishes it out to one of the wing players for the assist. He also doesn't get to show his true game and gain confidence in a jumper because Roy Williams is always subbing him out and splitting the time between him and Dexter Strickland. But he's shown slight flashes throughout the season that if he can gain adequate PT he can become a respectable shooter. That Kentucky game was just brutal. Towards the latter part of the season he's shown the ability to make FT's. Which is highlighted by the Feb. 12 game against Clemson where he went 10/11. All of his numbers were pretty consistent after that aside from one bad game where he shot 3/7. He showed that he's become a better FT shooter when he actually goes to the line.

Maybe you should go check the thread on him on the Draft board, there are plenty of people that have compared him to Jason Kidd/Mark Jackson hybrid. And they aren't the only ones. I didn't say I thought he was Jason Kidd territory so as to why you posted your smart comment, I have no idea. If you believe Marshall to be a late 2nd rounder you are more daft than I thought, if he had declared this season he probably would've been selected in the Tyler Honeycutt and Josh Selby range. Both of which are 1st rounders.

You seem so adamant on trying to prove me wrong, I'm just looking at scenarios for actually getting a better PG. I'd like to see how we could get a PG from you, without you posting any of your sh*tty Paul/Mayo scenarios.

[The_Trade_Seer]

^ That's really annoying having to read broken text.

Um, okay ... I thought it made it easier to follow

It's a shame you took all your precious time quoting me paragraph by paragraph and all you managed to do was post silly, childish retorts.

If you call posting stats that prove your points wrong "childish retorts" you've got me ... if you call saying someone is Jason Kidd without his skills "silly" you've got yourself

Actually, assuming you don't own any College Basketball package there's no way you could've seen all the UNC games because not all of them came on ESPN. A good chunk were shown on local broadcasting, which is different for every state "Silly Rabbit".

You might not want to ASSume anything there potna

Kendall doesn't suck as a shooter, he's not refined yet but he's far from sucking.

Under 42% from the field and 69% at the stripe SUCKS for a PG ... I'm not saying he will always suck as if he puts the work in he could be a great shooter but for right now he SUCKS as a shooter, period.

He is sometimes afraid to shoot the ball which is why most of the time he drives to the rim and either scores or he dishes it out to one of the wing players for the assist.

Obviously.

He also doesn't get to show his true game and gain confidence in a jumper because Roy Williams is always subbing him out and splitting the time between him and Dexter Strickland.

I wonder why

But he's shown slight flashes throughout the season that if he can gain adequate PT he can become a respectable shooter.

Slight flashes are for losers ... PT has nothing to do with shooting % ... shooters can make shots whether they come off the bench or play 40 mins a game!

That Kentucky game was just brutal. Towards the latter part of the season he's shown the ability to make FT's. Which is highlighted by the Feb. 12 game against Clemson where he went 10/11.

Oh stop ... the very next time he played Clemson he shot 2-11 from the floor and the above mentioned 3-7 from the line ... the very next game against Duke he shot 3-10 from the floor and 2-4 from the line ... sucks!

All of his numbers were pretty consistent after that aside from one bad game where he shot 3/7. He showed that he's become a better FT shooter when he actually goes to the line.

In fact since your precious 10-11 game he still only shot 22-33 or 66.7% from the line ... sucks! In reality that 10-11 game was the fluke ... outside that game he shot a HORRIBLE 65.8% from the stripe!

Maybe you should go check the thread on him on the Draft board, there are plenty of people that have compared him to Jason Kidd/Mark Jackson hybrid. And they aren't the only ones.

I could care the less what a bunch of UNC fans think of Marshall … a real NBA GM would draft him in the 2nd round this year, behind Etwuan Moore. By the way … Mark Jackson could shoot! So I guess this Kidd/Jackson hybrid means he has the worst qualities of both?

I didn't say I thought he was Jason Kidd territory so as to why you posted your smart comment, I have no idea. If you believe Marshall to be a late 2nd rounder you are more daft than I thought, if he had declared this season he probably would've been selected in the Tyler Honeycutt and Josh Selby range. Both of which are 1st rounders.

NO Kendall Marshall would not have been selected in the 1st round, not unless some team is super PG needy and the better ones are off the board.

You seem so adamant on trying to prove me wrong,

No, I’m not and in truth am a Marshall fan … I think he has a decent future ahead of him and could play 10+ years in the league. I simply don’t see him as a good fit on a tri team or even this Lakers team with a new non-tri coach … Kobe is not the best 3pt shooter and he needs a PG that can knock em down at a hight rate to keep defenses honest … Marshall can’t do that. You put Marshall on the Hawks and you’ve got something as the kid would be fantastic their .. just not here in LA.

I'm just looking at scenarios for actually getting a better PG. I'd like to see how we could get a PG from you, without you posting any of your sh*tty Paul/Mayo scenarios.

I think we could realistically get CP3 … Mayo too, both of which I’d rather have than Kendall Marshall. However if you’re looking for something that doesn’t require much thinking that would be better than waiting 2 drafts to get Marshall … how about Ray Felton, Johnny Flynn, Lou Williams, Nate Robinson, Beno Udrih, Jose Calderon and Devin Harris, all of which we could trade for quite easily. In fact, speaking of Johnny Flynn, he’s Kendall Marshall with speed and athleticism. Of the above list Felton would be my preference and either Jose Calderon (due to his bad contract) or Nate Robinson (due to his being buried on OKC’s bench) would be the easiest to get in trade.
We could also just draft a Shelvin Mack, Etwuan Moore or Ben Hansborough in the second round this year or package some picks and trade up for a Josh Selby (better than Marshall) or Reggie Jackson (can hit 3’s) or even a Nolan Smith … there are MANY better options that waiting a year for a slow, unathletic, can’t shoot project like Kendall Marshall!

[Jetset]

Whatever you have your opinions, and I have mine. Only time will tell and I can only pray Mitch is wiser than you. You still think we can get CP3 and Mayo, and I see things realistically. The only way we're getting a good PG is through the draft. We have nothing to trade for outside of Bynum and I'm sure management isn't thinking of trading him for anything less than Howard. You know Utah isn't going to help us out so I'm confused why Harris' name was brought up. What would we trade to get Calderon or Flynn? A bunch of late future 1sts? Fisher? Walton? Please tell me because I haven't had my lulz of the day yet.

There's a reason why we traded out of the first round this year, and that's to get out of the guaranteed money that comes with one. So why would we trade back in the 1st? It would make Mitch's previous deal look foolish. Selby and Reggie Jackson (who I like) are going to be selected in the 1st round. Nolan Smith and Shelvin Mack are sure to be selected well before the 11th pick of the 2nd round with their talent. You put too much stock into mock drafts, outside of the lotto those things are hardly ever right. You're better off forming your own conclusions and taking mock drafts with a grain of salt because those things can get ridiculous at times. Think with common sense the next time you look at a draft. Some of these scrubs the mocks have getting drafted above Mack should not and most likely will not happen. E'twuan Moore? As you say "....no thanks", I'd be fine with Ben Hansborough. What do you mean wait a year? No matter who we draft/sign via FA, they're not starting over Fisher anyway.

Norris Cole, Darius Morris, Demetri McCamey, Isiah Thomas and possibly Ben Hansborough. Choose one. Because those are about as good as we're going to get at the PG position, none of which are better than Kendall Marshall. Besides at the positioning of our picks we can get much better value if we go other avenues like drafting a big like Benson or a versatile player like DeAndre Liggins.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Whatever you have your opinions, and I have mine. Only time will tell and I can only pray Mitch is wiser than you. You still think we can get CP3 and Mayo,and I see things realistically. The only way we're getting a good PG is through the draft.[.quote]

If Mitch were like you we would never have gotten Pau ... a trade I prfetty much called to a t months before it happened! If Mitch isn't trying to find ways to land CP3 he is being lazy and should be fired ... but I would bet you he is doing just that!

We have nothing to trade for outside of Bynum and I'm sure management isn't thinking of trading him for anything less than Howard.

I wouldn't be surprised if management pulled a Bynum for CP3 trade if they thought Bynum's future health was a real issue and if they abandon the tri next year.

You know Utah isn't going to help us out so I'm confused why Harris' name was brought up.

Utah is a bum team and would trade with us if they thought it would improve their team … it’s not like they are competing with us for a title, they ‘re a lottery team dude, get real.

What would we trade to get Calderon

Are you serious? What couldn’t we trade to get Calderon? He’s not exactly a superstar, a young guy they are trying to build around, or a good contract …

or Flynn? A bunch of late future 1sts? Fisher? Walton? Please tell me because I haven't had my lulz of the day yet.

The wolves tried to dump Flynn at the break to the Rockets and Houston passed. You better believe if the Wolves land Irving, Knight or Kemba in the draft that they will look to dump Flynn quick. A Brown, Ebanks and Caracter for Flynn deal would get it done … even a Barnes, Ebanks, Caracter and maybe future #1 (Kendall Marshall? Hahahaha) would get it done.

There's a reason why we traded out of the first round this year, and that's to get out of the guaranteed money that comes with one. So why would we trade back in the 1st?It would make Mitch's previous deal look foolish.

This is like saying trading Kwame , Critt and Mark for Pau made Mitch’s trading for Kwame and drafting Critt and Mark look foolish … don’t be silly. If Mitch thinks he can package some of those #2’s this year for a guy he likes in the first round you better believe he’ll do it in a heart-beat.

Selby and Reggie Jackson (who I like) are going to be selected in the 1st round. Nolan Smith and Shelvin Mack are sure to be selected well before the 11th pick of the 2nd round with their talent.

You put too much stock into mock drafts, outside of the lotto those things are hardly ever right. You're better off forming your own conclusions and taking mock drafts with a grain of salt because those things can get ridiculous at times. Think with common sense the next time you look at a draft. Some of these scrubs the mocks have getting drafted above Mack should not and most likely will not happen.

Ummm, what are you talking about? I’m not vain enough to think I can predict a draft better than the dudes at draftexpress but my opinions of Selby, Jackson, Smith and Moore are almost the same as yours dude.

E'twuan Moore? As you say "....no thanks", I'd be fine with Ben Hansborough.

Oh man, now I know you’re off your rocker … Moore shoots better from the field and stripe than Marshall while also being lights out from 3 … the kid even averaged 21 points and 6 rebounds per 40 minutes and is a real leader.

What do you mean wait a year? No matter who we draft/sign via FA, they're not starting over Fisher anyway.

I agree we probably won’t be able to draft or sign via fa anyone that will start over Fisher (even if they should) but we could trade for someone who would.

Norris Cole, Darius Morris, Demetri McCamey, Isiah Thomas and possibly Ben Hansborough. Choose one. Because those are about as good as we're going to get at the PG position, none of which are better than Kendall Marshall.

You do realize we have (4) #2 picks right? We could easily package some of those to move up to draft a Mack, Moore, Smith, Selby, etc. As for the above, I’d take three of them (with the exceptions of Cole and Thomas) over Marshall now and wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of them had a better career than marshall either.

Besides at the positioning of our picks we can get much better value if we go other avenues like drafting a big like Benson or a versatile player like DeAndre Liggins.

I’m not a huge Benson fan though we do need center depth … as for Liggins, I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes in the top 25 picks to some team that falls in love with him and he would be redundant on a team with Kobe/Artest/Barnes/Walton/Ebanks anyways.

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You're missing the point. If the "genius" Mitch thought there was some talent that was needed in the 1st round, he would've kept that 1st round pick. He shouldn't have traded the pick away and was foolish to do so, but obviously $8 mil is worth more than having a 1st round talent on this team. They're not trading up in back into the 1st round, I really wish they would but I don't see it happening. If they had wanted a 1st round player they would've kept the pick, and we would've had Pick 27 of the 1st round along with 3 2nd round picks. But instead we have 4 2nd round picks, and I'm guessing it would take at least 3 of them (assuming Ebanks or Caracter isn't included) to jump back into the 1st round.

About Draftexpress, they are a reliable site when it comes to scouting prospects but if you haven't noticed drafts vary depending on the site and the opinion of person making the draft. Every mock is different, it's great to get a feel of what they base some of their opinion on but at the end of the day it's up to you to decide if you agree with their analysis. Draftexpress isn't right 100% of the time. I actually think they get paid to promote certain prospects, or benefit somehow from the promotion of certain prospects.


To say McCamey will be better than Marshall is foolish. You knock Marshall on his athleticism but you favor someone who's less athletic than him. McCamey reminds me of (current) Fisher with better court vision. He's slow and good for nothing but 3's, he cannot drive to the rim and finish what so ever. Liggins is very versatile because not only can play SG/SF he can also play PG. Sort of in the same mold of Iguodala (although he's better off at SF). About becoming redundant, I'd take Liggins over Ebanks easily, and hopefully Mitch does the same.