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No.1 pick

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NO.1 PICK

Ben Simmons
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Brandon Ingram
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Other. Who?
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#81 » by DEEP3CL » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:00 pm

Sorry but the only way we trade this pick is if we land an outright super star...sorry but Cousins nor Jimmy Butler are outright super stars. People confuse what super star means, it means putting asses in seats, being about to market the team based on that players name alone, then last but not least that player can single handedly carry the franchise.

In terms of the pick, we need to keep it plain and simple. and should we win the lottery I say we draft Simmons. People can screw themselves on his shooting crap, dude is flat out ready to play now, has the frame to play now. In Ingram I see the same problems as Anthony Davis, he's gonna be banged up and get beat up in his first season. But seeing how he played in the NCAA tourny....he favored hanging on the perimeter more than taking it strong to the hoop and fighting for boards.

Ingram will eventually fill out like Davis, but Davis is still injury prone and Ingram will probably be that way also. Can't see using the pick on him and dealing with that on a regular basis. Give me Simmons and do a decent job in free agency and we'll start making strides on getting relevant in terms of competing every night.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#82 » by ALL HAIL » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:36 am

DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry but the only way we trade this pick is if we land an outright super star...sorry but Cousins nor Jimmy Butler are outright super stars. People confuse what super star means, it means putting asses in seats, being about to market the team based on that players name alone, then last but not least that player can single handedly carry the franchise.

In terms of the pick, we need to keep it plain and simple. and should we win the lottery I say we draft Simmons. People can screw themselves on his shooting crap, dude is flat out ready to play now, has the frame to play now. In Ingram I see the same problems as Anthony Davis, he's gonna be banged up and get beat up in his first season. But seeing how he played in the NCAA tourny....he favored hanging on the perimeter more than taking it strong to the hoop and fighting for boards.

Ingram will eventually fill out like Davis, but Davis is still injury prone and Ingram will probably be that way also. Can't see using the pick on him and dealing with that on a regular basis. Give me Simmons and do a decent job in free agency and we'll start making strides on getting relevant in terms of competing every night.

... And what if Simmons is not there? What if we land the #2 or #3 pick?
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#83 » by BEazy » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:59 am

I see what you're saying DEEP. If Simmons is committed to improving his shot he's going to be a monster. Either way I will be glad if we landed the 1st or 2nd. 3rd pick is really up in the air. Take a risk on Dragan Bender or trade it, I would go the trade route if we can land a Cousins or Butler like mentioned in previous posts.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#84 » by DEEP3CL » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:56 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry but the only way we trade this pick is if we land an outright super star...sorry but Cousins nor Jimmy Butler are outright super stars. People confuse what super star means, it means putting asses in seats, being about to market the team based on that players name alone, then last but not least that player can single handedly carry the franchise.

In terms of the pick, we need to keep it plain and simple. and should we win the lottery I say we draft Simmons. People can screw themselves on his shooting crap, dude is flat out ready to play now, has the frame to play now. In Ingram I see the same problems as Anthony Davis, he's gonna be banged up and get beat up in his first season. But seeing how he played in the NCAA tourny....he favored hanging on the perimeter more than taking it strong to the hoop and fighting for boards.

Ingram will eventually fill out like Davis, but Davis is still injury prone and Ingram will probably be that way also. Can't see using the pick on him and dealing with that on a regular basis. Give me Simmons and do a decent job in free agency and we'll start making strides on getting relevant in terms of competing every night.

... And what if Simmons is not there? What if we land the #2 or #3 pick?
Well if we say land in spot #2 then I say take Ingram. I didn't say I didn't like his game, I'm just weary of his physical stature coming in the league. Also we'd still have leverage because we could explore trade possibilities and maybe draft Ingram for some team that is will to empty out some assets for him. Either way we make out OK. In this off season we have to hope Mitch and Jim has every scenario covered.

And say we land at 3...I know he's not the glossy pick but I'd be good with Buddy Held also, shooting is now a high premium in this league. Yeah he has ball handling issues and will probably struggle a bit trying to create off the dribble but we have more than enough ball handlers/playmakers that can find him. Really all he has to do is spot up and cut off screens, his strength is his shooting so that's what has to be taken advantage of early on.

Bottom line our lottery spot landing will determine our moves to some degree.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#85 » by ALL HAIL » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:26 pm

I came here to say the NBA Draft Lottery is perfect the way it is.

If a GM wants to tank, let him risk his job.

Along with the draft system overall being fair (in an Affirmination Action kind of way), I've foumd the actual lottery to be riveting television for many, many years.

I've felt in my gut since the onset of the season that they were going to lose the pick.

Hope I'm wrong.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#86 » by DRuss1 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:07 pm

meh, I don't think either will contribute in the Wins column anyways.

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From a basketball perspective I would like to see Simmons go to the Wolves.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#87 » by jorge » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:16 pm

Ben Simmons, because he gives you more options.

Ingram would fit perfectly because the Lakers need a 3 but with Simmons you have more flexibility if things don't work out as expected.

You can play him as PG (maybe the best option) SG, SF or PF. So if the chemistry doesn't work or if one of our prospects doesn't develop as expected you have more options to make some moves.

On the court you have also more options to adapt.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#88 » by RingsDontLie » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:40 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry but the only way we trade this pick is if we land an outright super star...sorry but Cousins nor Jimmy Butler are outright super stars. People confuse what super star means, it means putting asses in seats, being about to market the team based on that players name alone, then last but not least that player can single handedly carry the franchise.

In terms of the pick, we need to keep it plain and simple. and should we win the lottery I say we draft Simmons. People can screw themselves on his shooting crap, dude is flat out ready to play now, has the frame to play now. In Ingram I see the same problems as Anthony Davis, he's gonna be banged up and get beat up in his first season. But seeing how he played in the NCAA tourny....he favored hanging on the perimeter more than taking it strong to the hoop and fighting for boards.

Ingram will eventually fill out like Davis, but Davis is still injury prone and Ingram will probably be that way also. Can't see using the pick on him and dealing with that on a regular basis. Give me Simmons and do a decent job in free agency and we'll start making strides on getting relevant in terms of competing every night.


I think Cousins would be worth it actually. I see Cousins on the court, and you can't question his competitiveness, he is someone I'd trade these good looking prospects for. Jimmy Butler not so much. The guy is incredible, but we need a decent center to pair with D'angelo. And I like the idea of two bruisers in Randle and Cousins. Would be fun to watch, and we would certainly win more games.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#89 » by DEEP3CL » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:27 pm

DRuss1 wrote:meh, I don't think either will contribute in the Wins column anyways.

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From a basketball perspective I would like to see Simmons go to the Wolves.
That's a extremely bad fit, people don't realize that college players rarely play that same position when he comes to the NBA. Especially if he's considered a tweener or has a body better suited for a different NBA position. Simmons will be a full fledged 3 in the NBA, because his skill set is better suited for him to handle the ball and he's interchangeable for his size for defensive purposes so he'll play some 4 also but he won't be a full time 4. But him in Minny would be horrid unless they got rid of Wiggins. Because since Lavine and Rubio handle the ball and also seeing Towns will also be in that mix more next season, I can't see Simmons going there.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#90 » by Dilly » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:32 pm

Im remaining forever optimistic and saying we're keeping this pick!! My personal draft broad:

1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Bender
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Post#91 » by The Skyhook » Sun May 1, 2016 12:40 pm

If I wasn't torn on who I'd take first between the two then I certainly am now. I feel comfortable saying that Luke Walton will find a way to effectively implement Simmons into whatever offense he puts into place. With Scott at the helm that was a big concern of mine.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#92 » by Spens1 » Sun May 1, 2016 1:05 pm

Its certain for me now, Simmons all the way, his athleticism plus Walton's coaching will be a match made in heaven

plus they're two chilled guys, sure that would be a good player-coach relationship (though nothing wrong with Ingham either in that regard)
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#93 » by ALL HAIL » Sun May 1, 2016 4:06 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:
DRuss1 wrote:meh, I don't think either will contribute in the Wins column anyways.

27-21-17.

From a basketball perspective I would like to see Simmons go to the Wolves.
That's a extremely bad fit, people don't realize that college players rarely play that same position when he comes to the NBA. Especially if he's considered a tweener or has a body better suited for a different NBA position. Simmons will be a full fledged 3 in the NBA, because his skill set is better suited for him to handle the ball and he's interchangeable for his size for defensive purposes so he'll play some 4 also but he won't be a full time 4. But him in Minny would be horrid unless they got rid of Wiggins. Because since Lavine and Rubio handle the ball and also seeing Towns will also be in that mix more next season, I can't see Simmons going there.

Only seen him play once, but he looks like a PF to me. He'd fit well between Wiggins and Towns sir.

Rubio would soon have to go though. You're right about that.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#94 » by Trips71 » Sun May 1, 2016 11:06 pm

I am torn between Simmons and Ingram, but would probably go Simmons #1. Where I differ from all the other posts I have read is on #3. I think I would pick Kris Dunn there. Move Russell to SG, with Dunn at the point. It would also keep the FO from overpaying DD.

My Top 3
1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Dunn
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#95 » by DEEP3CL » Tue May 3, 2016 12:37 am

ALL HAIL wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:
DRuss1 wrote:meh, I don't think either will contribute in the Wins column anyways.

27-21-17.

From a basketball perspective I would like to see Simmons go to the Wolves.
That's a extremely bad fit, people don't realize that college players rarely play that same position when he comes to the NBA. Especially if he's considered a tweener or has a body better suited for a different NBA position. Simmons will be a full fledged 3 in the NBA, because his skill set is better suited for him to handle the ball and he's interchangeable for his size for defensive purposes so he'll play some 4 also but he won't be a full time 4. But him in Minny would be horrid unless they got rid of Wiggins. Because since Lavine and Rubio handle the ball and also seeing Towns will also be in that mix more next season, I can't see Simmons going there.

Only seen him play once, but he looks like a PF to me. He'd fit well between Wiggins and Towns sir.

Rubio would soon have to go though. You're right about that.
Yeah...he does have an excellent frame to be a 4, I just think with his skill set and the way they use 4's in the NBA he'd be better suited for a 3 is all I'm saying. But good thing the reality is Minny has no chance at Simmons or Ingram. So I like our chances to land one of them at any cost.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#96 » by IGSaint » Tue May 3, 2016 6:48 am

Ingram
Simmons
Dunn/Bender

That's my order. While Simmons skillset is fantastic, I like what Ingram could turn into more and how lethal he could be in Luke's system. As for Dunn and Bender, I really like Dunn but Bender has a ton of potential is a PF/Mobile C. I don't think there's enough tape on Bender to make a definitive decision.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#97 » by hazy_01 » Tue May 3, 2016 7:42 am

Simmons with the 1st pick, can't teach his vision, athleticism and intensity. Shooting can be fixed.
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#98 » by Trips71 » Wed May 4, 2016 3:44 am

Colin Cowherd is reporting that the Lakers will trade the #1 pick if they get it. He supposedly has two sources. Just read the article on Bleacher Report. I really hope that isn't true!
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#99 » by gts1 » Wed May 4, 2016 3:52 am

Trips71 wrote:Colin Cowherd is reporting that the Lakers will trade the #1 pick if they get it. He supposedly has two sources. Just read the article on Bleacher Report. I really hope that isn't true!
who knows but I can guarantee you the two guys who actually know what's going to happen with the pick (should they get it) didn't tell anyone...

in other words Cowherd is talking out his butt
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Re: No.1 pick 

Post#100 » by Mamba Mentality » Wed May 4, 2016 3:55 am

I'd not high on any guys at the top of the board tbh. Much rather package the pick for a franchise caliber player. Contrary to what DEEP thinks I'm okay with a guy like Jimmy Butler, heck I might even consider Cousins depending on our position.

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