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All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin

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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#81 » by zimpy27 » Wed May 15, 2019 5:25 am

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Yes but if that happens then Lakers only have 27m to throw at Kyrie where his max is 32k.


No, you sign your max FA first, then operate as an above the cap team.

You only need to wait 1 month after signing your draft pick to trade him


How do you operate as an above the cap team if you renounce everyone in order to sign the max FA?


You sign other FAs with exceptions after you sign max FA
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#82 » by john248 » Wed May 15, 2019 5:25 am

After the top 3, it's a cluster f...Trade the pick before the draft as part of a package whether for AD or someone else. This pick needs to go, and the front office needs to capitalize on it.
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#83 » by tviper » Wed May 15, 2019 5:29 am

LBJ=$37,436,858
MaxFA=$32,700,000
Zo=$8,719,320
Ingram=$7,265,485
FRP=$7,059,360
Mo=$2,063,520
Kuz=$1,974,600
Hart=$1,934,160
Bonga=$1,416,852
Jones=$1,416,852 (unguaranteed)
Deng=$5,000,000 (waived/stretched)'
Rosterx2=$1,794,316
Total=$108,781,323
Cap left=$218,677
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#84 » by Dr Aki » Wed May 15, 2019 5:30 am

zimpy27 wrote:
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zimpy27 wrote:
Yes but if that happens then Lakers only have 27m to throw at Kyrie where his max is 32k.


No, you sign your max FA first, then operate as an above the cap team.

You only need to wait 1 month after signing your draft pick to trade him


That's a tough month though plus you have to get Kyrie to sign without guaranteeing that AD will be there.


Teams agree the main framework of trades all the time.
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#85 » by tviper » Wed May 15, 2019 5:31 am

zimpy27 wrote:
tviper wrote:
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No, you sign your max FA first, then operate as an above the cap team.

You only need to wait 1 month after signing your draft pick to trade him


How do you operate as an above the cap team if you renounce everyone in order to sign the max FA?


You sign other FAs with exceptions after you sign max FA


Once you drop below the cap to use the room to sign the max FA, you only have the room exception left. but that would be enough to put LAL over the cap based on the numbers just posted. but I don't think you get to use any of the exceptions once you use the room exception.
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#86 » by Dr Aki » Wed May 15, 2019 5:31 am

tviper wrote:
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zimpy27 wrote:
Yes but if that happens then Lakers only have 27m to throw at Kyrie where his max is 32k.


No, you sign your max FA first, then operate as an above the cap team.

You only need to wait 1 month after signing your draft pick to trade him


How do you operate as an above the cap team if you renounce everyone in order to sign the max FA?


Once you cap yourself out, you start operating as an above the cap team.

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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#87 » by zimpy27 » Wed May 15, 2019 5:33 am

Dr Aki wrote:
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Dr Aki wrote:
No, you sign your max FA first, then operate as an above the cap team.

You only need to wait 1 month after signing your draft pick to trade him


That's a tough month though plus you have to get Kyrie to sign without guaranteeing that AD will be there.


Teams agree the main framework of trades all the time.


They do but a month seems long and we have seen it fall apart before.

The one problem with the #4 pick though is that it means Lakers can't give Kyrie the max, they will be $750k short of it. Not sure if it makes a difference but if it does it might be worth trading the pick down.
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Post#88 » by tviper » Wed May 15, 2019 5:35 am

In other words, if LAL wants to trade for AD, Zo and Ingram must be included to match salary. In fact, you would have to send everyone except Kuzma or Hart. Which leaves a gaping hole in the lineup. Better to just forget AD and go with the team as is plus max FA and #4. Maybe trade for AD at the deadline after the roster is filled out.
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#89 » by tviper » Wed May 15, 2019 5:36 am

Dr Aki wrote:
tviper wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
No, you sign your max FA first, then operate as an above the cap team.

You only need to wait 1 month after signing your draft pick to trade him


How do you operate as an above the cap team if you renounce everyone in order to sign the max FA?


Once you cap yourself out, you start operating as an above the cap team.

Not rocket surgery


Maybe not rocket surgery, but that is not the way it works.
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#90 » by Dr Aki » Wed May 15, 2019 5:37 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
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That's a tough month though plus you have to get Kyrie to sign without guaranteeing that AD will be there.


Teams agree the main framework of trades all the time.


They do but a month seems long and we have seen it fall apart before.

The one problem with the #4 pick though is that it means Lakers can't give Kyrie the max, they will be $750k short of it. Not sure if it makes a difference but if it does it might be worth trading the pick down.


Just promise to do him a 1+1 and re-up him to the max 30% in 2020/21 if he's that picky
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#91 » by TKainZero » Wed May 15, 2019 5:46 am

NBAWestFan wrote:There is a Stud at #4 that does not play LBJ's position

Don't trade the pick but draft #4 who was a gift.

Keep the gift and get another Superstar.


Who is it?


Zion
Ja
Barrett

???
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Post#92 » by john248 » Wed May 15, 2019 5:49 am

tviper wrote:In other words, if LAL wants to trade for AD, Zo and Ingram must be included to match salary. In fact, you would have to send everyone except Kuzma or Hart. Which leaves a gaping hole in the lineup. Better to just forget AD and go with the team as is plus max FA and #4. Maybe trade for AD at the deadline after the roster is filled out.


The #4 pick loses a lot of value once a player is drafted. That would be the difference between trading now and at the deadline. Filling the other roster spots with minimum salary players while having LBJ, Irving, and AD is better than rolling the dice that AD will be available later by the Pelicans or just losing out to another team trading for him.

The Rambii & Pelinka should be aggressive this summer.
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Post#93 » by zimpy27 » Wed May 15, 2019 5:53 am

Dr Aki wrote:
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Teams agree the main framework of trades all the time.


They do but a month seems long and we have seen it fall apart before.

The one problem with the #4 pick though is that it means Lakers can't give Kyrie the max, they will be $750k short of it. Not sure if it makes a difference but if it does it might be worth trading the pick down.


Just promise to do him a 1+1 and re-up him to the max 30% in 2020/21 if he's that picky


I like the idea of pushing Bulls a trade of Lonzo + #4 for Lauri, Wendell, Dunn

Sign Kyrie to full max for 4 years

Trade Ingram, Wendell, Dunn, Kuz, Wagner for AD

Roll out Irving, Hart, LeBron, Lauri, AD.

Bench would be weak with Bonga, MLE and vet mins. Hope Kidd can do something with Bonga.
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#94 » by Dr Aki » Wed May 15, 2019 5:59 am

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tviper wrote:In other words, if LAL wants to trade for AD, Zo and Ingram must be included to match salary. In fact, you would have to send everyone except Kuzma or Hart. Which leaves a gaping hole in the lineup. Better to just forget AD and go with the team as is plus max FA and #4. Maybe trade for AD at the deadline after the roster is filled out.


The #4 pick loses a lot of value once a player is drafted. That would be the difference between trading now and at the deadline. Filling the other roster spots with minimum salary players while having LBJ, Irving, and AD is better than rolling the dice that AD will be available later by the Pelicans or just losing out to another team trading for him.

The Rambii & Pelinka should be aggressive this summer.


You can start negotiations now, make sure New Orleans knows who they want at 4 and the Lakers take him with the intent of trading him in an arranged framework for AD.

You can bet they'll be bringing in the tier of prospects from 3 to 8 to have a look at them anyway

It's not all that complicated. The trade just happens on August 5th after the summer business of snagging FAs finishes
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Post#95 » by Speedlot » Wed May 15, 2019 6:09 am

Rui Hachimura is my pick let's gooo
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Post#96 » by -Spyda- » Wed May 15, 2019 6:28 am

Lets goooooooooo !!!!!!!
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Post#97 » by zimpy27 » Wed May 15, 2019 6:37 am

TKainZero wrote:
NBAWestFan wrote:There is a Stud at #4 that does not play LBJ's position

Don't trade the pick but draft #4 who was a gift.

Keep the gift and get another Superstar.


Who is it?


Zion
Ja
Barrett

???


Culver, Garland, Hunter I'm guessing.
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Post#98 » by ShaqFu » Wed May 15, 2019 6:38 am

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Post#99 » by LAKESHOW » Wed May 15, 2019 6:39 am

Im in with the group who says #4 is being shipped off. But as an aside, i like that hunter kid from virginia. Lengthy. Great shooting range. Came from a tough conference playing tough competition. Played excellent in final 4. Led team to chip. Has handles. My vote would be 4 hunter.
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Re: All things number 4. Trade or draft? Let the rumors begin 

Post#100 » by Danny Darko » Wed May 15, 2019 6:41 am

Laker backup plan

Los Angeles Lakers Get: Bradley Beal, No. 9 pick

Washington Wizards Get: Brandon Ingram, No. 4 pick

If the Lakers don't think they're going to get Davis—whether because New Orleans takes him off the block or because it's clear someone else has the best offer—they should pivot to adding veteran firepower around LeBron James.

For the above deal to work, the Lakers would have to include some salary filler. Let's focus on the overall structure and worry about those details later.

Bradley Beal proved he could run the show with John Wall sidelined last year, and he's precisely the kind of perimeter threat who would thrive alongside James. A career 38.4 percent three-point shooter, Beal would offer high-volume, high-efficiency offense, and it doesn't hurt that he's spent most of his career as a second option.
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