Lakers Roster Needs

[LakersSoul]

PJ Washington and Gafford were traded for ONE FRP and they didn’t have a bad contract.

We need to see how our roster works under JJ and see if Wood, Gabe, Max, Vando and Knecht perform this year before abruptly making big moves.

[Godfather13]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-lakers-daily-podcast-on-the-los-angeles-lakers/id1034379593?i=1000663810736

Looks like Portland is going to rebuild and trade Grant (27+ m) and/or Anfernee (24+ m).

Originally thought Lakers should try for Grant but now so so at best. Grant is truly an upgrade wing over Rui/Vando but that contract is fugly AF.

To match the trade, we would most likely have to throw in our depth and 2 of Rui/Dlo/Gabe. On top of that, Portland is seeking 2 FRPs, LOL!

Every year that passes, that contract is gonna be uglier and uglier eventually growing to over 37m per and a final PO in the end as a nice prize for someone.

Not so excited to absorb that monstrosity and throw in picks and depth.


Edit: prefer to wait and see how our team responds to JJ and continuity with our roster until trade deadline. Then Dlo will be an expiring which we can move easier if the demand is less. At most, Grant should be one FRP or might turn into a neutral value contract going forward as he ages.

Couldn't agree more. If he was on a good contract - 23m going upto 28 mil over 3 years, he would warrant 1 FRP + perhaps some 2nds of another heavily protected first.

Rn, Lavine's a far better player than him, and Chicago are offering a pick for get off his contract, which is admittedly even worse than Grant. But if you factor in the player quality, the gap between the two is not more than 1 FRP valuation.

If Portland get ready to do a deal for a protected FRP, we can talk, but for now, they're just one of those teams that have never traded with us for a reason, and that reason has not changed.

I'm happy standing pat if that's the only option out there.


What keeps bugging me is that Rob signed Bronny & Max to roster spots, after committing that war crime last year by giving those options for non-nba players. To see guys like GTJ & Hayward & Achiuwa & Okoro, who could fit in right away, instead of Hayes & Cam just boils my blood.

[LakersSoul]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-lakers-daily-podcast-on-the-los-angeles-lakers/id1034379593?i=1000663810736

Looks like Portland is going to rebuild and trade Grant (27+ m) and/or Anfernee (24+ m).

Originally thought Lakers should try for Grant but now so so at best. Grant is truly an upgrade wing over Rui/Vando but that contract is fugly AF.

To match the trade, we would most likely have to throw in our depth and 2 of Rui/Dlo/Gabe. On top of that, Portland is seeking 2 FRPs, LOL!

Every year that passes, that contract is gonna be uglier and uglier eventually growing to over 37m per and a final PO in the end as a nice prize for someone.

Not so excited to absorb that monstrosity and throw in picks and depth.


Edit: prefer to wait and see how our team responds to JJ and continuity with our roster until trade deadline. Then Dlo will be an expiring which we can move easier if the demand is less. At most, Grant should be one FRP or might turn into a neutral value contract going forward as he ages.

Couldn't agree more. If he was on a good contract - 23m going upto 28 mil over 3 years, he would warrant 1 FRP + perhaps some 2nds of another heavily protected first.

Rn, Lavine's a far better player than him, and Chicago are offering a pick for get off his contract, which is admittedly even worse than Grant. But if you factor in the player quality, the gap between the two is not more than 1 FRP valuation.

If Portland get ready to do a deal for a protected FRP, we can talk, but for now, they're just one of those teams that have never traded with us for a reason, and that reason has not changed.

I'm happy standing pat if that's the only option out there.


What keeps bugging me is that Rob signed Bronny & Max to roster spots, after committing that war crime last year by giving those options for non-nba players. To see guys like GTJ & Hayward & Achiuwa & Okoro, who could fit in right away, instead of Hayes & Cam just boils my blood.

You kidding right?

Achiuwa and Okoro are restricted FAs.
GTJ wants more playing time.

As for Hayward, come on.

[Godfather13]

You kidding right?

Achiuwa and Okoro are restricted FAs.
GTJ wants more playing time.

As for Hayward, come on.

Not kidding.

Glad you agree about GTJ.

I didn't know Okoro was still restricted. My bad.

Achiuwa didn't receive the QO from Knicks, so he has effectively been an Unrestricted FA for over a month now.

I like Hayward's fit for a Vet Min. OKC just brought him in and figured out they didn't have the minutes to give him. He's been fairly healthy last 3 years, and still a rolls royce of an offensive talent, despite the regressed overall production. I like the shooting, playmaking, IQ fit as a reserve. Pretty good gamble at that contract.

[Godfather13]

THIS!!!!! Sounds like Colin Cowherd read my dream


Thunder: receive: Anthony Davis
Lakers receive: Jalen Williams, Cason Wallace, 4 First-Round Picks


"This roster … is not built for JJ Redick," he said of the Lakers' newly minted head coach. "What is an organization with a ton of draft capital [and] a bunch of good young players? The Lakers have nobody in their prime except [Anthony Davis], and it's a late prime. The Lakers need shooters [and] wing defenders. … The Lakers have a huge hole.

"Think about Oklahoma City [and] skinny Chet Holmgren. They don't have enough girth to face a Nikola Jokić or a Karl-Anthony Towns. … They're not good enough on the glass. … They need a big. They have a ton of draft picks. They also have a surplus of good young players, and you're not winning championships with a bunch of good young players. … To build a roster and give JJ Redick a chance, Anthony Davis with Chet Holmgren, [Luguentz Dort] and [Shai Gilgeous-Alexander] is immediately — along with Boston and Denver — a favorite to win the title. That is a great team."

"Meanwhile, what do the Lakers need?" Cowherd asked. "Jalen Williams averaged 19.0 [points] a game. His ceiling is probably closer to 25 to 26. He's 23 [years old and] he can defend. Cason Wallace, [a] tremendous young defender. Only 20 [years old]. High ceiling. … LeBron [James] will get him up and running quickly. Four first-round picks — try to get most of them … next draft. … The money doesn't work with this, you have to add a third team. … The Lakers might have to take a bad contract, probably with a big, but this roster is not JJ Redick's roster."


I am going to try and will this sh** into existence. Even if it were 2 first-round and 2 second-round picks...IN A HEARTBEAT

THATS what the Laker roster needs. I'm getting into 'pet unicorn' land here....but then trade Lebron to GS to play alongside Steph, and get 2 first-rounders, some decent younger guy, and take a bad contract back. Maybe they give Klay a good 2-year deal (2year, 80mil) and move him here. That makes salary work. We only pay Klay 2 years...he gets good $$. GS becomes very interesting with Lebron there. Just win-wins all around.

lol.. Thunder aren't trading JW. And Lakers aren't trading AD.

[DanishLakerFan]

PJ Washington and Gafford were traded for ONE FRP and they didn’t have a bad contract.

We need to see how our roster works under JJ and see if Wood, Gabe, Max, Vando and Knecht perform this year before abruptly making big moves.

I actually agree with this. Darwin Ham being a complete tool and injuries really made it difficult to assess these guys.

Wood had four really good seasons before last season where he fell off a cliff. Gabe was aquired with MLE due to his major role in the Heat finals run. Vando struggled with injuries all season as well. We cant just pretend like these guys are complete scrubs. Also, Max should have played a lot more and i think Knecht is a perfect fit.

Would still try to trade a few of our guys. I never understood why they added Hayes and i think Reddish was a Klutch-contract. JHS is an upsidey project and i no idea what Lewis is. I would trade all of them.

[LakersSoul]

PJ Washington and Gafford were traded for ONE FRP and they didn’t have a bad contract.

We need to see how our roster works under JJ and see if Wood, Gabe, Max, Vando and Knecht perform this year before abruptly making big moves.

I actually agree with this. Darwin Ham being a complete tool and injuries really made it difficult to assess these guys.

Wood had four really good seasons before last season where he fell off a cliff. Gabe was aquired with MLE due to his major role in the Heat finals run. Vando struggled with injuries all season as well. We cant just pretend like these guys are complete scrubs. Also, Max should have played a lot more and i think Knecht is a perfect fit.

Would still try to trade a few of our guys. I never understood why they added Hayes and i think Reddish was a Klutch-contract. JHS is an upsidey project and i no idea what Lewis is. I would trade all of them.

What a mess Ham was.

* Not advance Max and the youth including AR and Rui…
* Not agree and think in conjunction with AD and Bron…
* Lazy defense. SMDH.

What the hell was Ham doing pissing off the team and stars; and blowing leads?

Excited to see JJ and implementing new strategies on O and D. Excited to see Max, Rui, Knecht and even Bronny and the growth of the youth.

[danfantastk32]

What a mess Ham was.

* Not advance Max and the youth including AR and Rui…
* Not agree and think in conjunction with AD and Bron…
* Lazy defense. SMDH.

What the hell was Ham doing pissing off the team and stars; and blowing leads?

Excited to see JJ and implementing new strategies on O and D. Excited to see Max, Rui, Knecht and even Bronny and the growth of the youth.

Really bought into the "totally Ham's fault" theory, I guess.

Looks like the FO knew what they were doing after all. Sad. We watch these coaches play the fall guy year after year...but now I see it works, despite the long history of the same thing over and over. Well the good news is we'll get to watch this once again (for like the 6th time in 10 years). When JJ's getting all the "fire him" talk, I'll try and remind you of this moment.

We'll see how much defense a 40+ year old Lebron commits to. And we'll see how JJ responds to said effort. And of course the rest of the team will take it's cue from there. And with guys like DLo, your gonna have holes no matter what you do. This FO incapable of fixing the many needs of this team....and crossed it's fingers the Bronny show, and our new coach would suffice. It's a sad commentary that Laker fans accept the old "if you cant be with the one you love, love the one your with" adage. I know you know this team went into the offseason with many issues....and exactly none of them have been fixed. Even the coach....You might think Ham was the worst coach in history (I think he was pretty crap myself)....but you don't know a damn thing about our new hire. Might be better might be worse. You say your excited to see JJ implement new strategies.......well I'm "hoping he implements new strategies"....cause there's not a lick of evidence that says he can, or can't. It's a bummer watching Laker fans "accept" the complete failure that was this offseason, and throw all hopes and expectations and blame on coaching. Especially when we basically hired a guy off the street, and are crossing our fingers that it's not a complete disaster. Not gonna lie....it's disappointing to watch the almost forced "hey this could be great" attitude by alot of you. You do you...it's a free country. I don't think your a dope. In fact the opposite. I think you know better. You said better 8 weeks ago. You knew this team had alot to fix. Yeah....a better coach will help a bit. But that's one of about 5-6 issues.

This roster needs an overhaul...not a new coach. We'll review this in 82 games....deal?

[LakersSoul]

What a mess Ham was.

* Not advance Max and the youth including AR and Rui…
* Not agree and think in conjunction with AD and Bron…
* Lazy defense. SMDH.

What the hell was Ham doing pissing off the team and stars; and blowing leads?

Excited to see JJ and implementing new strategies on O and D. Excited to see Max, Rui, Knecht and even Bronny and the growth of the youth.

Really bought into the "totally Ham's fault" theory, I guess.

Looks like the FO knew what they were doing after all. Sad. We watch these coaches play the fall guy year after year...but now I see it works, despite the long history of the same thing over and over. Well the good news is we'll get to watch this once again (for like the 6th time in 10 years). When JJ's getting all the "fire him" talk, I'll try and remind you of this moment.

We'll see how much defense a 40+ year old Lebron commits to. And we'll see how JJ responds to said effort. And of course the rest of the team will take it's cue from there. And with guys like DLo, your gonna have holes no matter what you do. This FO incapable of fixing the many needs of this team....and crossed it's fingers the Bronny show, and our new coach would suffice. It's a sad commentary that Laker fans accept the old "if you cant be with the one you love, love the one your with" adage. I know you know this team went into the offseason with many issues....and exactly none of them have been fixed. Even the coach....You might think Ham was the worst coach in history (I think he was pretty crap myself)....but you don't know a damn thing about our new hire. Might be better might be worse. You say your excited to see JJ implement new strategies.......well I'm "hoping he implements new strategies"....cause there's not a lick of evidence that says he can, or can't. It's a bummer watching Laker fans "accept" the complete failure that was this offseason, and throw all hopes and expectations and blame on coaching. Especially when we basically hired a guy off the street, and are crossing our fingers that it's not a complete disaster. Not gonna lie....it's disappointing to watch the almost forced "hey this could be great" attitude by alot of you. You do you...it's a free country. I don't think your a dope. In fact the opposite. I think you know better. You said better 8 weeks ago. You knew this team had alot to fix. Yeah....a better coach will help a bit. But that's one of about 5-6 issues.

This roster needs an overhaul...not a new coach. We'll review this in 82 games....deal?

Narrative? Looks like you bought that it’s not Ham narrative.

I like the team, youth and potential.

[Godfather13]

Narrative? Looks like you bought that it’s not Ham narrative.

I like the team, youth and potential.

A badly built team lost two low level rotation players for 2 rooks that may or may not be ready for the league. That kool aid must taste nice.

[LakersSoul]

Narrative? Looks like you bought that it’s not Ham narrative.

I like the team, youth and potential.

A badly built team lost two low level rotation players for 2 rooks that may or may not be ready for the league. That kool aid must taste nice.

Don’t let anyone fool you, we almost won 50 games last year with a dunce as a HC. We also had injuries to our top 3 defenders outside of AD.

[DanishLakerFan]

Narrative? Looks like you bought that it’s not Ham narrative.

I like the team, youth and potential.

A badly built team lost two low level rotation players for 2 rooks that may or may not be ready for the league. That kool aid must taste nice.

Don’t let anyone fool you, we almost won 50 games last year with a dunce as a HC. We also had injuries to our top 3 defenders outside of AD.

LA, LAC, DAL, PHX, GS, NO, SAC, PHI, IND, NY, MIL, CLE, ORL and MIA were within just 5 games (46-51 wins), yet LA is the team that should panic and tear it all down. GTFOH!

[danfantastk32]

Narrative? Looks like you bought that it’s not Ham narrative.

I like the team, youth and potential.

Well the "I know you are, but what am I" retort is always a zinger. Felt that.

It wasn't Ham.....and I'll remind you in 82 games.

[danfantastk32]

LA, LAC, DAL, PHX, GS, NO, SAC, PHI, IND, NY, MIL, CLE, ORL and MIA were within just 5 games (46-51 wins), yet LA is the team that should panic and tear it all down. GTFOH!

Are you a fan of any of those teams? Cause I'm not. Couldn't care less what they do.

"They're just as mediocre as we are...but you don't care about them" <------ that's your argument for our crap offseason? Not the most brilliant case you've made around here...might wanna rethink that.

[DanishLakerFan]

LA, LAC, DAL, PHX, GS, NO, SAC, PHI, IND, NY, MIL, CLE, ORL and MIA were within just 5 games (46-51 wins), yet LA is the team that should panic and tear it all down. GTFOH!

Are you a fan of any of those teams? Cause I'm not. Couldn't care less what they do.

"They're just as mediocre as we are...but you don't care about them" <------ that's your argument for our crap offseason? Not the most brilliant case you've made around here...might wanna rethink that.

Using your logic all but 4 teams should tear it down, which is **** idiotic.

[LakersSoul]

LA, LAC, DAL, PHX, GS, NO, SAC, PHI, IND, NY, MIL, CLE, ORL and MIA were within just 5 games (46-51 wins), yet LA is the team that should panic and tear it all down. GTFOH!

Are you a fan of any of those teams? Cause I'm not. Couldn't care less what they do.

"They're just as mediocre as we are...but you don't care about them" <------ that's your argument for our crap offseason? Not the most brilliant case you've made around here...might wanna rethink that.

Crap off-season

You are full of joy, ain’t ya?

As a brilliant character once said, “why so serious?”

[Godfather13]

Narrative? Looks like you bought that it’s not Ham narrative.

I like the team, youth and potential.

A badly built team lost two low level rotation players for 2 rooks that may or may not be ready for the league. That kool aid must taste nice.

Don’t let anyone fool you, we almost won 50 games last year with a dunce as a HC. We also had injuries to our top 3 defenders outside of AD.

That's the floor for the best duo in the league when they're healthy. Give them a competent coach and a squad, it's genuine contention, but I'm sure that doesn't suit your agenda.

If you think our supporting cast is even semi competent, I will let you.. lol

[Godfather13]

We have real people that think Lakers have ever won championships by building through the draft & imagine Jeanie's numbskulls are the ones to do it. Special!!!

[Godfather13]

LA, LAC, DAL, PHX, GS, NO, SAC, PHI, IND, NY, MIL, CLE, ORL and MIA were within just 5 games (46-51 wins), yet LA is the team that should panic and tear it all down. GTFOH!

Are you a fan of any of those teams? Cause I'm not. Couldn't care less what they do.

"They're just as mediocre as we are...but you don't care about them" <------ that's your argument for our crap offseason? Not the most brilliant case you've made around here...might wanna rethink that.

Using your logic all but 4 teams should tear it down, which is **** idiotic.

Loser mentality reigns supreme in this forum unfortunately

[LakersSoul]

A badly built team lost two low level rotation players for 2 rooks that may or may not be ready for the league. That kool aid must taste nice.

Don’t let anyone fool you, we almost won 50 games last year with a dunce as a HC. We also had injuries to our top 3 defenders outside of AD.

That's the floor for the best duo in the league when they're healthy. Give them a competent coach and a squad, it's genuine contention, but I'm sure that doesn't suit your agenda.

If you think our supporting cast is even semi competent, I will let you.. lol

Okay, then what would you suggest?

Team got us JJ. What’s missing? What squad moves would you make?