Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

[cashflo]

Honestly two things..
1.Simmons is silently telling Philly don't pick me and I will not trash your organization..
2.Ingram is insanely campaigning for the top spot.. At the lottery, Worked out for Sixers and was on Mike and Mike interviewing on a national radio show.
You have to think that getting a guy like Ingram in front of you and getting to know everything about him goes a long way. They essential don't know Simmons.. Only thru tape and coaches words.

Personally I think Simmons will fall to the Lakers.

Simmons/Randle/Nance
Barnes/Brown/Swaggy
Horford/Gasol/Black
Clarkson/Lou/32 pick
Russell/Lou

This would be a pretty good group to start. Improved shooting , depth, go big ,go really big, go small ,go really small and be good either way and we still have money to tweek the lineup..

[jnick206]

He's a four that would send Randle packing.

What are some things we could get for Randle? I have no idea his value around the league. Any 3s?

Randle's value is low right now due to him only playing one season on a bad team while demonstrating a broken jumper and showing no right hand . I assume Luke will see if Randle and Simmons can be productive on the floor together and if they can't, he will bring Randle off the bench. Randle needs minutes to showcase his talent and any developments he has made in the off season before the Lakers consider trading him. He needs a chance to improve his value and I don't think any team will give up anything we want for Randle as of now. Give Randle time. Wait and see.

[Penberthy]

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Anthony davis tho?

[One Love]

I prefer Ingram but we can't go wrong with either... Both are special players & their skills will be showcased in Waltons offense...

[kobe808lak]

Philly is taking Simmons.

[Lakerglory1]

I think Ingram will be a star in this league, once he develops his body and gains 20-30 lbs he will be a tough match up for any team night in and night out.

[jay51024]

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[Penberthy]

Anybody know Durant's true weight?

[Kilroy]

He's a four that would send Randle packing.

He's a rookie... Randle's barely more than a rookie... And they're both tweeners... Too early to say what their 'true position' is...

And if we are in fact trying to do some sort of hybrid-GSW lineup thing, it doesn't matter too much either.

I think Simmons is going to have a pretty steep learning curve coming into the NBA, and I'm not sure how much of his college game is going to translate at this level. I think he's going to have to reinvent himself a little bit... Which is exactly what Randle's having to do right now...
I think Randle's going to end up being a hybrid 4/5 and Simmons is probably going to be a hybrid 3/4... Randle is probably never going to have the finesse Simmons is capable of, and Simmons will never possess the power Randle does.
That could work out really well in the right mutation of the GSW offense, or it could be a complete disaster.

But there's no need to trade Randle right now... So why not try it out and see what they can do together?

I think we need Randle's style of play on this team. I think the finals proves that you can't win chips with an all-flash/finesse core. You need a bruiser in there too who can create and intimidate. I don't think there's a young gun in the league better at that than Randle. I didn't see him back down from anyone last season.
I think he may end up being a rich-man's Draymond Green, given a couple more years. (Check the per36 from last season... It's closer than you think)
And Simmons could end up being a rich man's Harrison Barnes... Or a combo of Barnes/Igoudala...

As great as Simmons and Ingram are, I think it would be short sighted to start jettisoning talent in the interest of making them fit better. Neither guy is a position guy right now.

[yitur]

Did any of you listen to Bill Simmons podcast with Jimmy Butler? He talks about Jaylen Brown playing him, etc. My Brown love got boiled up again. Also Jimmy Butler sounds like a very cool and also competitive dude.

[The Prodigy]

He's a four that would send Randle packing.

He's a rookie... Randle's barely more than a rookie... And they're both tweeners... Too early to say what their 'true position' is...

And if we are in fact trying to do some sort of hybrid-GSW lineup thing, it doesn't matter too much either.

I think Simmons is going to have a pretty steep learning curve coming into the NBA, and I'm not sure how much of his college game is going to translate at this level. I think he's going to have to reinvent himself a little bit... Which is exactly what Randle's having to do right now...
I think Randle's going to end up being a hybrid 4/5 and Simmons is probably going to be a hybrid 3/4... Randle is probably never going to have the finesse Simmons is capable of, and Simmons will never possess the power Randle does.
That could work out really well in the right mutation of the GSW offense, or it could be a complete disaster.

But there's no need to trade Randle right now... So why not try it out and see what they can do together?

I think we need Randle's style of play on this team. I think the finals proves that you can't win chips with an all-flash/finesse core. You need a bruiser in there too who can create and intimidate. I don't think there's a young gun in the league better at that than Randle. I didn't see him back down from anyone last season.
I think he may end up being a rich-man's Draymond Green, given a couple more years. (Check the per36 from last season... It's closer than you think)
And Simmons could end up being a rich man's Harrison Barnes... Or a combo of Barnes/Igoudala...

As great as Simmons and Ingram are, I think it would be short sighted to start jettisoning talent in the interest of making them fit better. Neither guy is a position guy right now.

I just don't see Simmons and Randle sharing the floor effectively for extended periods of time. Neither one has (or is expected to have) the range to play the 3 or the rim protection ability to play the 5.

If we draft Simmons, we have to trade Randle sooner rather than later. While they share the same strengths and weaknesses, the strengths are more pronounced in Simmons.

[dipstick]

He's a four that would send Randle packing.

He's a rookie... Randle's barely more than a rookie... And they're both tweeners... Too early to say what their 'true position' is...

And if we are in fact trying to do some sort of hybrid-GSW lineup thing, it doesn't matter too much either.

I think Simmons is going to have a pretty steep learning curve coming into the NBA, and I'm not sure how much of his college game is going to translate at this level. I think he's going to have to reinvent himself a little bit... Which is exactly what Randle's having to do right now...
I think Randle's going to end up being a hybrid 4/5 and Simmons is probably going to be a hybrid 3/4... Randle is probably never going to have the finesse Simmons is capable of, and Simmons will never possess the power Randle does.
That could work out really well in the right mutation of the GSW offense, or it could be a complete disaster.

But there's no need to trade Randle right now... So why not try it out and see what they can do together?

I think we need Randle's style of play on this team. I think the finals proves that you can't win chips with an all-flash/finesse core. You need a bruiser in there too who can create and intimidate. I don't think there's a young gun in the league better at that than Randle. I didn't see him back down from anyone last season.
I think he may end up being a rich-man's Draymond Green, given a couple more years. (Check the per36 from last season... It's closer than you think)
And Simmons could end up being a rich man's Harrison Barnes... Or a combo of Barnes/Igoudala...

As great as Simmons and Ingram are, I think it would be short sighted to start jettisoning talent in the interest of making them fit better. Neither guy is a position guy right now.

I just don't see Simmons and Randle sharing the floor effectively for extended periods of time. Neither one has (or is expected to have) the range to play the 3 or the rim protection ability to play the 5.

If we draft Simmons, we have to trade Randle sooner rather than later. While they share the same strengths and weaknesses, the strengths are more pronounced in Simmons.

I wonder what the urgency is in wanting to trade players that may not be an obvious fit. It's not like we are planning on winning anytime soon or have superstars on our roster who only has a short window left on his career. No, we have a bunch of young guys with potential and 2 chuckers.

Now I'm not saying that we won't need to trade Randle in case we get Simmons. First of all, we have to get Simmons first. 2nd is I at least want to see him on the court with Randle before I make any kind of decision. Who knows, either one may be developing a pretty good jumper during the off season.

Bottomline, I don't see the need to rush. Either way, we need good players all around. Randle hasn't established a lot yet and his value may not be that high. However, if an offer is made for equal/good value with equal potential, I won't be opposed to doing a trade. Just don't see the point of forcing a trade or needing to do it sooner rather than later. He has 2 more cheap years we can use and he's restricted after that.

Added: I'd also like to see what he learns from his exposure with the US Select team.

[miggs]

Agree 100% here.

We're amassing the right ingredients. Now like good soup or chili, just let it simmer until it's just right.

[BullyKing]

They essential don't know Simmons.. Only thru tape and coaches words.

Personally I think Simmons will fall to the Lakers.

Or, you know, the fact that Brett Brown has basically known him since birth.

[Mirjalovic]

To me Brandon Ingram is the better prospect but i wouldn't mad if Ben Simmons fall to us. Russell, Simmons, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Black, Anthony Brown. This is an exciting young team


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[Mirjalovic]

He's a four that would send Randle packing.

He's a rookie... Randle's barely more than a rookie... And they're both tweeners... Too early to say what their 'true position' is...

And if we are in fact trying to do some sort of hybrid-GSW lineup thing, it doesn't matter too much either.

I think Simmons is going to have a pretty steep learning curve coming into the NBA, and I'm not sure how much of his college game is going to translate at this level. I think he's going to have to reinvent himself a little bit... Which is exactly what Randle's having to do right now...
I think Randle's going to end up being a hybrid 4/5 and Simmons is probably going to be a hybrid 3/4... Randle is probably never going to have the finesse Simmons is capable of, and Simmons will never possess the power Randle does.
That could work out really well in the right mutation of the GSW offense, or it could be a complete disaster.

But there's no need to trade Randle right now... So why not try it out and see what they can do together?

I think we need Randle's style of play on this team. I think the finals proves that you can't win chips with an all-flash/finesse core. You need a bruiser in there too who can create and intimidate. I don't think there's a young gun in the league better at that than Randle. I didn't see him back down from anyone last season.
I think he may end up being a rich-man's Draymond Green, given a couple more years. (Check the per36 from last season... It's closer than you think)
And Simmons could end up being a rich man's Harrison Barnes... Or a combo of Barnes/Igoudala...

As great as Simmons and Ingram are, I think it would be short sighted to start jettisoning talent in the interest of making them fit better. Neither guy is a position guy right now.

Agreed.

Randle may raw, but he has tools and desire to be great. Rich man Draymond is not that far away. Its no coincidence Dray plays like a legit NBA player just after Steve Kerr/Luke Walton get hired. I believe in Walton to tweak the best lineup with Simmons/Randle/Nance.

[Trips71]

I wish that was 4 of the Lakers starting 5...

[Slava]

Kevin Pelton's projections for this draft, unique as usual: http://insider2text.xyz/articles/139973159bbc1b49

[crazyeights]

Kevin Pelton's projections for this draft, unique as usual: http://insider2text.xyz/articles/139973159bbc1b49

Curious what his previous drafts looked like.

[Slava]

Kevin Pelton's projections for this draft, unique as usual: http://insider2text.xyz/articles/139973159bbc1b49

Curious what his previous drafts looked like.

He was the first to hop on Russell at #2 last year and had Marcus Smart and Clint Capela as top 2 in 2014.