Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

[iamworthy]

Its not a 2 player draft. 2 player drafts do not exist. No one knows which one of these prospects will pan out in a few years, its all speculation.

Exactly. That's why if your draft position is high enough where other teams thinks there's real talent to be had and you don't feel the same way you trade down to accumulate more assets.

[miggs]

I don't see Ingram being outplayed by guys like Brown, Hield, Bender, Dunn, Murray and Labissiere over the course of their careers then again after seeing enough of all but Bender constantly all year, I'd rather go with Ingram and keep going through all the trades available from draft day till the end of the summer heading into training camp.

Not sure between Simmons and Ingram but I don't see any of the other players in this draft outplaying these two barring injuries that derail their careers.

If you decide to trade the pick, the only teams worth trading down for in this draft are for a team with a lottery pick and a pick no lower than the teens like Phoenix ideally, who I think would immediately do #4 and #13 for #2, however, we have to get the best possible player we can at 2, whether that's a proven star in this league or a two picks for the #2, you go for the best deal and that best deal will start and end with Ingram at 2 and not any of Brown, Hield, Bender, Dunn, Murray and Labissiere.

[Pointgod]

Does everyone think trading down from 2 to say 5-6, where Hield is likely to fall, is as easy as picking up the phone?

There's this cognitive disconnect among fans that deals are just sitting out there ready to be made for the Lakers, and all Mitch and Jim have to do is say yes...
Obviously, there are deals out there for us, but most smart fans would lose their **** if we actually accepted the crap being offered...

Sure we could trade the 2 for someone at the end of the lottery but trading down 2 or 3 spots is much more difficult, don't you think?

When there are only two potential franchise players on the whole draft then yes. You don't think that there were lottery teams that would trade a lot to get a shot at Durant for example? So if the Lakers are looking at someone other than Ingram then it is easy as picking up the phone and fielding offers considering there are teams below us with multiple picks in this draft (Phoenix, Boston, Denver for example). It makes a lot more sense than just using the number 2 pick on a guy who would normally go 4-6.

Its not a 2 player draft. 2 player drafts do not exist. No one knows which one of these prospects will pan out in a few years its all speculation. You cant trade down to get a player that could potentially be drafted #3 overall, you just have to pick him at the #2 spot.

All drafts have the most talent near the top of the lottery. Only Simmons and Ingram are the only players are projected to turn into superstars. Everyone other player's ceiling is projected to be from starting caliber to borderline all-star. That is a significant gap. You can trade down one spot if the other team covets Ingram enough to throw in an additional asset to secure one of the players with the highest potential. Also it doesn't make sense that Lakers fans hype Ingram as a potential number 1 pick but on the other hand say teams aren't willing to trade up for him.

[stan francisco]

Not that it's likely to happen, but in the event that it does in curious how some of you would react on here.... If the front office ends up going with someone other than Simmons/Ingram, after the initial shock, do you think you'd lean more towards trusting the front office or would you lean more towards being a vocal critic of the decision

Last year I was on the Jahlil bandwagon but said if the Lakers picked someone else I would still roll with it because the kid must be special. Fast forward a year, I think the Lakers did pick the right guy in D'angelo and he seems like he has all the tools to be very special. In a weird way I'm kind of hoping they pick someone else because in my mind that would mean that the kid they picked blew their minds. I'll support the pick no matter who it is.

Amen, brother worthy!

[trevm37]

Its not a 2 player draft. 2 player drafts do not exist. No one knows which one of these prospects will pan out in a few years, its all speculation.

Exactly. That's why if your draft position is high enough where other teams thinks there's real talent to be had and you don't feel the same way you trade down to accumulate more assets.

Much easier said than done. Of course if you can swing a trade to a lower part of the draft and still get the player you want, you do it, but its very difficult to work out a trade, specially when a team in on the clock. My point was, this draft is definitely not a 2 player draft, just like last year wasn't.

[stan francisco]

I think that the sixers can't go wrong with either player — Simmons or Ingram. Same with the Lakers. Something tells me the suxers will make the wrong pick, if there is such a thing between the two.

In Mitch and West Jr I trust.

Even if we ended up with Bender or Hield, we'll be so much better off than we are now. I think all four of those players will be household names in a few years.

Mitch seemed to think he can't go wrong with the first three picks, he said talent level drops after number three. I wonder if he meant Bender or Hield being number three, or someone else, or if his order is different than Simmons, Ingram, Bender.

Edit: If the sixers pick Ingram, I'll be thrilled to get Simmons. And vice versa. Should our great drafting streak continue, which I trust it will, and they pick someone else, I'm with iamworthy.

[BullyKing]

Bud i did say the "brass" of the sixers which includes Colangelo not just Brown.
Coaches come and go so fast and I do not think Brown is calling the shots the way you make it seem.

Well "bud", the Sixers "brass" had dinner with Simmons last night so you're hypothesis is now not only stupid but it's also wrong.

So dinner to say don't pick me... Just my thoughts may be stupid but I guess I'm hopeful that we land Simmons... We'll see!

Oh yeah, I think you totally nailed it. He had dinner with the Sixers and provided them with his medical information and will not be giving similar access to the Lakers all in an effort to force his way to LA.

[trevm37]

bottom line: after drafting Clarkson, Randle, Nance Jr., and Russell at their draft positions, all Lakers fans should trust the front office and what they do with the #2 and #32 pick......

[Pointgod]

I think that the sixers can't go wrong with either player — Simmons or Ingram. Same with the Lakers. Something tells me the suxers will make the wrong pick, if there is such a thing between the two.

In Mitch and West Jr I trust.

Even if we ended up with Bender or Hield, we'll be so much better off than we are now. I think all four of those players will be household names in a few years.

Mitch seemed to think he can't go wrong with the first three picks, he said talent level drops after number three. I wonder if he meant Bender or Hield being number three, or someone else, or if his order is different than Simmons, Ingram, Bender.

Edit: If the sixers pick Ingram, I'll be thrilled to get Simmons. And vice versa. Should our great drafting streak continue, which I trust it will, and they pick someone else, I'm with iamworthy.

We're in a can't lose position. Unless we pick Hield or Bender second

[Bruh Man]

I think that the sixers can't go wrong with either player — Simmons or Ingram. Same with the Lakers. Something tells me the suxers will make the wrong pick, if there is such a thing between the two.

In Mitch and West Jr I trust.

Even if we ended up with Bender or Hield, we'll be so much better off than we are now. I think all four of those players will be household names in a few years.

Mitch seemed to think he can't go wrong with the first three picks, he said talent level drops after number three. I wonder if he meant Bender or Hield being number three, or someone else, or if his order is different than Simmons, Ingram, Bender.

Edit: If the sixers pick Ingram, I'll be thrilled to get Simmons. And vice versa. Should our great drafting streak continue, which I trust it will, and they pick someone else, I'm with iamworthy.

We're in a can't lose position. Unless we pick Hield or Bender second

Draft day can't come soon enough, I have my heart set on Ingram and only way I wouldn't be disappointed is if we get Simmons instead

[The Skyhook]

The Vertical's latest Mock Draft

1. Philadelphia 76ers
Ben Simmons | SF/PF | LSU
Freshman | 19 | 6-10, 239
Insider info: Simmons is the player the Sixers want at No. 1, at least that’s what Vertical sources have said Philadelphia has told other teams around the league. It remains to be seen whether the feeling is mutual because Simmons has yet to visit the Sixers in their home facility, which is highly unusual for a top pick in recent years. That puts the Sixers in a difficult spot because it’s far from a consensus that Simmons is the best talent in this draft.

2. L.A. Lakers
Brandon Ingram | SF | Duke
Freshman | 18 | 6-9, 196
Insider info: In a draft many consider to have a significant dropoff after the second pick, the Lakers will be happy to "settle" for whomever the Sixers pass. Ingram is the player the Lakers would have targeted at No. 1 had they won the lottery, sources told The Vertical. He is a perfect fit for their roster and should generate a great deal of excitement about the future.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/version-iv--the-vertical-s-2016-nba-mock-draft-160519135.html

[Lakerglory1]

Simmons is going to the 76rs we're getting Ingram, bring him on to LA.

[Bruh Man]

Simmons is going to the 76rs we're getting Ingram, bring him on to LA.

Make LA great again

[Pointgod]

Hopefully the Lakers can buy/trade for another first round pick in the draft

[dockingsched]

Its not a 2 player draft. 2 player drafts do not exist. No one knows which one of these prospects will pan out in a few years, its all speculation.

Exactly. That's why if your draft position is high enough where other teams thinks there's real talent to be had and you don't feel the same way you trade down to accumulate more assets.

I think that if the lakers are impressed with someone enough that they prefer then over Simmons/Ingram, you just pick them at 2. I think that high in the draft you can't be self centered enough to think that you're seeing something special in someone that other teams can't see for themselves.

[BEazy]

Bring on Brandon Ingram! I'm so happy we are going to draft him. Ingram seems like a person that will eventually lead this team to the Finals. I just have a feeling he's going to be a tremendous leader and player down the road.

[Danny Darko]

I guess it's a week early to give him a nickname?

Black Mantis

[gotokyo]

I guess it's a week early to give him a nickname?

Black Mantis

Speaking of nicknames I just got a new puppy and I was wondering why no one took on the moniker "golden retriever".

You know, like retrieving the gold (winning championships)

Alright I'll see myself out

[Crooked-I]

Watching different scouting videos the past week on Ingram, he definitely seems still pretty raw to me. Which is expected from an 18 year old. I'm not really expecting him to make a huge impact at least for another couple of years. So we got to be patient with him assuming we pick him. Hopefully he finds a niche in Luke's offense and it makes it easier for him. He definitely has the physical tools and a good foundation to be a beast in this league tho.

Oddly enough I think the player that can help him out the most and who Ingram should work out with is Kobe. Hopefully Kobe's willing to stay involved with the Lakers and help him out. Ingram would benefit greatly.

[Slava]

Yeah if Ingram even adds a fraction of Kobe's footwork and skill level in the post, he could be a nightmare with his natural shooting stroke and length. I don't think he has the natural intuition to be the level of playmaker Kobe was but then again we are talking about one of the dozen greatest players of all time.