Official Transaction Ideas thread

Post #881 » by **dockingsched** » Sun May 29, 2011 5:06 pm

the only thing i'd give up for josh smith is luke walton and filler.

Doormatt · Post #882 » by **Doormatt** » Sun May 29, 2011 5:14 pm

lol, yeah i generally agree with that. i dont like smith.

KB24TBOTB · Post #883 » by **KB24TBOTB** » Mon May 30, 2011 3:15 am

Doormatt wrote:lol, yeah i generally agree with that. i dont like smith.

RamonSessions7 · Post #884 » by **RamonSessions7** » Mon May 30, 2011 4:01 am

Doormatt wrote:god i hope the MLE still exists in the new CBA.

I don't. It might inhibit us one year, but it will kill the heat vs thunder/other superfriends teams. And at this point, the last thing i want to see is Lebron Wade Bosh getting to 4-6 championships for being weak and needing to team up. I hope, for the NBA's sake that the MLE is deleted and the Thunder pass up the "unable to add ringchasers" Heat.

Doormatt · Post #885 » by **Doormatt** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:20 am

yes i dont like smith, nothing to do with him as a person, just his game. he's boneheaded, inefficient, is a bad decision maker, and just never plays under control.

he is the exact opposite of what i want in a forward, especially for the lakers.

Imadogg · Post #886 » by **Imadogg** » Mon May 30, 2011 7:33 am

Wtf I like Smith.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #887 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Mon May 30, 2011 3:25 pm

If J-Smooth, who is anything but smooth and quite a bit "wild" would stop wanting to be "the man" in Atlanta and average 20ppg+ and just concentrate on locking guys down on defense, rebounding and getting put-back points, he would be a force to be reckoned with and coaches and GM's would love him and he would make the all-star team every year ... as-is, it looks like he'll be remembered as an other-worldy atheltic malcontent who never reached his true potential. He could be a mix of the best of Rodman and Kirilenko put together but he is settling for a very poor man's Dominique Wilkins or worse yet, a Jerome Kersey.

Imadogg · Post #888 » by **Imadogg** » Mon May 30, 2011 6:47 pm

And people don't think the Lakers and Kobe can do anything at all about his mindset and attitude?

The dude is a beast. If someone knocks some sense into him about shooting less, he's good to go.

Post #889 » by **dockingsched** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:06 pm

whats so great about smith's game anyway? ignoring the fact that he's dumb, he can't shoot like a sf should, he can't defend the post at all like a pf should so he really has no position...he blocks shots and dunks, thats it.

Shamizy · Post #890 » by **Shamizy** » Tue May 31, 2011 3:43 am

dcash4 wrote:whats so great about smith's game anyway? ignoring the fact that he's dumb, he can't shoot like a sf should, he can't defend the post at all like a pf should so he really has no position...he blocks shots and dunks, thats it.

It's precisely the fact that he's a tweener that makes him so intriguing to people. Players that don't fall into a certain position can either excel and become very good or crash and burn. It all depends on whether or not they can maximize their versatility and become big-time players. When it comes to Josh Smith, he can definitely play basketball and could become that sort of player (being an athletic freak and all), but he's just REALLY dumb.

If anyone could tap into his potential and get him to play the right way (instead of making dumb decisions all the time) he could become a star in the league. He's just never done that, and I'm not sure if he ever can.

Imadogg · Post #891 » by **Imadogg** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:08 am

Hawks with him on the court, and without. Not bad

The_Trade_Seer · Post #892 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:52 pm

^ Nobody is saying Josh sucks, just that he isn't fulfilling his potential ... I've always liked Josh and I would be very happy with him starting at the 3 and Ron coming off the bench ... I simply would never trade Bynum for him straight up ... again, I would consider a Bynum and Walton for Smith, Teague, Zaza and #1 pick ... and I would not be surprised at all if the Hawks agreed to that deal as they desperately want to move Horford to the PF position and this would instantly give them the best frontcourt in the East.

Doormatt · Post #893 » by **Doormatt** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:40 pm

I would do gasol/blake for smith/teague/zaza, but not Bynum. Doesn't solve our shooting problem, but it gives us a much better PG, athletic wing guy, and backup big. If we could then swing ebanks for Gibson we'd be set. I don't think the hawks would give up that much to get gasol, but you never know. They'd have a much better frontcourt, and they are in win now mode. I'd take horford/gasol/JJ/hinrich over smith/JJ/horford/hinrich.

Doormatt · Post #894 » by **Doormatt** » Tue May 31, 2011 6:33 pm

so my thread on the other board is biedrens+curry for bynum+filler and their seems to be a general consensus from GS fans that theyd do it, and im sure West would be interested as well. tried to get Udoh or the 11th pick, but apparently its asking for too much. i know we value bynum very highly around here, and some of you wouldnt trade him for anything but D12, but i think its a good deal. if biedrens could return to any sort of form, he's a near double-double guy.

what do you guys think?

The_Trade_Seer · Post #895 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:21 pm

Doormatt wrote:I would do gasol/blake for smith/teague/zaza, but not Bynum. Doesn't solve our shooting problem, but it gives us a much better PG, athletic wing guy, and backup big.

I honestly would rather trade Bynum than Gasol ... I don't trust Bynum's health ... I also would NOT want Josh Smith at the 4 but the 3.

If we could then swing ebanks for Gibson we'd be set. I don't think the hawks would give up that much to get gasol, but you never know. They'd have a much better frontcourt, and they are in win now mode. I'd take horford/gasol/JJ/hinrich over smith/JJ/horford/hinrich.

The Hawks want a true C so they can move Horford to the 4 ... getting Gasol doesn't accomplish that, Bynum does. The Hawks would pay through the Nose for Bynum ... I'm talking Bynum, Walton and Blake for Smith, Teague, Zaza, future picks and cash!

so my thread on the other board is biedrens+curry for bynum+filler and their seems to be a general consensus from GS fans that theyd do it, and im sure West would be interested as well. tried to get Udoh or the 11th pick, but apparently its asking for too much.

I'd do Bynum for Biedrins, Curry and the #11 pick in a heartbeat! I'd then have Pau give his little brother a phone call and set up a trade of Odom, Blake and the #11 for a re-signed Marc Gasol and OJ Mayo. Split the MLE between Kenyon Martin and Delonte West, wisely use (by trading up) our 4 second round picks to land Jeremy Tyler and Keith Benson and we're all set to win another title.

PG: Curry/West/Fisher
SG: Kobe/Mayo/Lighty
SF: Artest/Barnes/Ebanks
PF: Pau/K-Mart/Caracter
C: Marc/Tyler/Benson

i know we value bynum very highly around here, and some of you wouldnt trade him for anything but D12,

Those people, if they exist, are insane! I would be looking to trade Bynum NOW before another injury stirkes.

but i think its a good deal. if biedrens could return to any sort of form, he's a near double-double guy.

I wouldn't do a Curry/Biedrins straight swap and would want that #11 pick ... Biedrins is a good rebounder and would fit in on this team but his contract is bad and therefore I'd want the #11. Curry is a star PG and as good as it gets outside the top 4 of CP3, Rose, Deron and Russel.

what do you guys think?

It's a good thought.

Jetset · Post #896 » by **Jetset** » Tue May 31, 2011 9:18 pm

Ugh enough of the Curry/Biedrins talk. Horrible trade if it were happen, especially when we could just flip Bynum and filler like you suggested to NO for Paul. Meaningless talk is meaningless.

Howard's going to stay in Orlando. Next targeted star: Blake Griffin

I look forward to seeing the ideas you all come up with.

LApwnd · Post #897 » by **LApwnd** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:09 pm

I could live with Biedrens production at its current stage but I can't live with his injuries though, he is as much if not more injury prone then Bynum these last 2 yrs, he has a disc problem, something you can't correct and as the season progressive it will tear him down. Bynum no IRONMAN either but at least his injuries are somewhat correctable with the brace.

Doormatt · Post #898 » by **Doormatt** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:06 am

im so confused by the last 3 posts...

but yeah, ive been saying and thinking for awhile now that we had no real chance at howard. the good thing is that if he does sign an extension, we'll be able to sign him outright as a FA when he walks after not winning anything.

still think bynum--biedrens/curry is the one of the best deals out there for LA. have yet to see one person give a reason why curry wouldnt be the perfect fit for our team. he's a great shooter, a decent playmaker, has room to improve defensively, and still has a lotta potential.

Jetset · Post #899 » by **Jetset** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:19 am

Doormatt wrote:im so confused by the last 3 posts...

but yeah, ive been saying and thinking for awhile now that we had no real chance at howard. the good thing is that if he does sign an extension, we'll be able to sign him outright as a FA when he walks after not winning anything.

still think bynum--biedrens/curry is the one of the best deals out there for LA. have yet to see one person give a reason why curry wouldnt be the perfect fit for our team. he's a great shooter, a decent playmaker, has room to improve defensively, and still has a lotta potential.

What's so confusing about my post? All I'm saying is if Bynum + filler is getting traded like you suggested it may as well be for a Chris Paul instead of a Curry and injured disk Biedrins. Since that's what it would take to get Paul anyway. Paul on one knee > Curry + Biedrins + 11th pick

It really makes no sense for Howard to resign in Orlando because they're not going to get anyone within the next 2 yrs to come in and compete with Miami, Chicago, and Boston. The only two players that would put Orlando over the top are Deron and Paul and both stand a chance to have a new home by the February trade deadline and if that happens then Howard is forced to play in mediocrity. Extremely risky and hopefully the guy has an early opt out in the contract because he's going to need it when he realizes what a big mistake he's made.

I feel for NJ. They invested everything on the notion that they were getting Howard. They traded away a lotto pick in Favors, Harris, and multiple picks for a player that will certainly now leave them.

Doormatt · Post #900 » by **Doormatt** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 2:26 am

Jetset wrote:
What's so confusing about my post? All I'm saying is if Bynum + filler is getting traded like you suggested it may as well be for a Chris Paul instead of a Curry and injured disk Biedrins. Since that's what it would take to get Paul anyway. Paul on one knee > Curry + Biedrins + 11th pick

what? when have i ever said bynum can get us cp3? he'd have a hard time fetching us curry+beans+11th, let alone chris paul. cp3 for bynum is a pipe dream, just like howard.

bynum+filler can get us a package involving curry, but probably has no shot at getting us cp3. dont even know why you equated the two.

Jetset wrote:It really makes no sense for Howard to resign in Orlando because they're not going to get anyone within the next 2 yrs to come in and compete with Miami, Chicago, and Boston. The only two players that would put Orlando over the top are Deron and Paul and both stand a chance to have a new home by the February trade deadline and if that happens then Howard is forced to play in mediocrity. Extremely risky and hopefully the guy has an early opt out in the contract because he's going to need it when he realizes what a big mistake he's made.

I feel for NJ. They invested everything on the notion that they were getting Howard. They traded away a lotto pick in Favors, Harris, and multiple picks for a player that will certainly now leave them.

howard to me is a non-starter at this point. it looks very unlikely that orlando will trade with us, and since we have no shot in hell at picking him up in FA (unless he wants the MLE, lol), i dont expect dwight to wear P&G anytime soon, if ever.