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The #2 Pick

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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#901 » by Slava » Tue Jun 9, 2015 9:47 pm

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miggs wrote:For sure minny tries to push pekovic on nyk if they're going down to the 4th pick. nyk gotta include calderon's contract


What does Minnesota do with cap space? No one ever signs there. If they trade down, its definitively not with the Knicks. May be Philly offers Noel + #3 for Rubio + #1?



Why would Philly want the #1 pick? I think a trade with NYK is more likely than one with PHI. I think PHI is eyeing Russell/Mudiay and not at all Towns/Okafor


Towns and Embiid is likely a better fit than Embiied & Noel.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#902 » by miggs » Tue Jun 9, 2015 9:51 pm

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miggs wrote:
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What does Minnesota do with cap space? No one ever signs there. If they trade down, its definitively not with the Knicks. May be Philly offers Noel + #3 for Rubio + #1?



Why would Philly want the #1 pick? I think a trade with NYK is more likely than one with PHI. I think PHI is eyeing Russell/Mudiay and not at all Towns/Okafor


Towns and Embiid is likely a better fit than Embiied & Noel.


That will really hurt both players potential down the road, which I think can avoided by keeping Noel and Embiid, as I don't see Noel's ceiling to be very high offensively, so Embiid pretty much has the space a player of his offensive potential needs. While Towns and Embiid are a better duo of talent, I think Noel and Embiid fit much better.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#903 » by alaskan34pac34 » Tue Jun 9, 2015 9:53 pm

Am I the only one that changes there mind everyday trying to decide who I want in the draft? Some days I read about Towns and everything he can do and really want him. Some days I read about Russell and want him for **** shooting and play making. Some days I want Okafor for his true center back to the basket offense continuing the line of Laker legend centers. Then some days I want Mudiay for his explosiveness on offense. Im glad im not making the decision for the Lakers I love the draft this year there is a lot of players I want on the Lakers and hope we keep all three picks. Unless we move up and add a late second. I am torn who I want at 2 but wouldnt really be upset with any decision we make which is nice. Later in the draft I think it depends what we do with 2. Any one else dealing with this haha or just me?
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#904 » by miggs » Tue Jun 9, 2015 9:55 pm

I hear you on that alaskan, I have those days too but then again I'm not a very good scout like some other guys who have a better eye for talent over the seasons I've been on here.

I think we likely do package the lower picks to move up
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#905 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 9, 2015 9:58 pm

Slava wrote:
miggs wrote:
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What does Minnesota do with cap space? No one ever signs there. If they trade down, its definitively not with the Knicks. May be Philly offers Noel + #3 for Rubio + #1?



Why would Philly want the #1 pick? I think a trade with NYK is more likely than one with PHI. I think PHI is eyeing Russell/Mudiay and not at all Towns/Okafor


Towns and Embiid is likely a better fit than Embiied & Noel.

They have this guy named Saric who does what towns does on the permitter but better and could have a legit three big rotation.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#906 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 9, 2015 9:59 pm

And if I'm Minny I probably trade back to 5 over 3 or 4. Orlando can offer more and it would be compelling to them since they did create the two best consensus C in the nba when they drafted before
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#907 » by miggs » Tue Jun 9, 2015 10:20 pm

kblo247 wrote:And if I'm Minny I probably trade back to 5 over 3 or 4. Orlando can offer more and it would be compelling to them since they did create the two best consensus C in the nba when they drafted before



Yea but getting the #5 pick likely leaves Minny without either Russell/Mudiay and I'm thinking if they're dangling the #1 pick they'd prefer to get one of those PGs, then again there is Cameron Payne, maybe they'd take him at #5 :dontknow:
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#908 » by DadoTheRabbet » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:27 am

alaskan34pac34 wrote:Am I the only one that changes there mind everyday trying to decide who I want in the draft? Some days I read about Towns and everything he can do and really want him. Some days I read about Russell and want him for **** shooting and play making. Some days I want Okafor for his true center back to the basket offense continuing the line of Laker legend centers. Then some days I want Mudiay for his explosiveness on offense. Im glad im not making the decision for the Lakers I love the draft this year there is a lot of players I want on the Lakers and hope we keep all three picks. Unless we move up and add a late second. I am torn who I want at 2 but wouldnt really be upset with any decision we make which is nice. Later in the draft I think it depends what we do with 2. Any one else dealing with this haha or just me?


Nope. Never had that happen. I'm for...

Towns. No, Okafor. No I've got it now. Definitely Russell. I mean Winslow. No, we need the big with D, so Towns. But then Russell's a great leader type. But Okafor's got character and altitude....

Definitely Okafor.

Today.

Maybe.

Check with me later.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#909 » by Mirjalovic » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:34 am

alaskan34pac34 wrote:Am I the only one that changes there mind everyday trying to decide who I want in the draft? Some days I read about Towns and everything he can do and really want him. Some days I read about Russell and want him for **** shooting and play making. Some days I want Okafor for his true center back to the basket offense continuing the line of Laker legend centers. Then some days I want Mudiay for his explosiveness on offense. Im glad im not making the decision for the Lakers I love the draft this year there is a lot of players I want on the Lakers and hope we keep all three picks. Unless we move up and add a late second. I am torn who I want at 2 but wouldnt really be upset with any decision we make which is nice. Later in the draft I think it depends what we do with 2. Any one else dealing with this haha or just me?


Yeah that's because there is no clearcut in top 4 as the media suggest. You can't go wrong with top 4. It's awesome draft, because in other draft you got 1 clearcut top pick because disparity of talent.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#910 » by DEEP3CL » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:45 am

ak7 wrote:It sure is refutable. Okafor, offensively, is a true 5. Defensively, Okafor is a true D-League player. It's that bad.
Lol...c'mon AK ! I respect what have to say, but comments like that make me have questions. Dude Okafor will be a dominate post player in this league weather guys like him or not. You just can't teach what he's been blessed with. People are really exaggerating his defense.

ak7 wrote:He will never impact a game the way Anthony Davis does, ever in his entire career.
Again man you just can't say that with certainty. Slow down on the AD train....he still has a lot to work on himself, he still hasn't gotten to a point where you just pound the rock to him. Further more he's not an imposing interior player, Okafor will be because his body is already bigger in mass than Davis. And once he starts lifting on a regular with an NBA training staff, he'll get stronger in his base and upper body...he's gonna be an absolute load to slow down.


ak7 wrote: It doesn't matter the type of player AD came in as, it matters who he is now, and that's a player Okafor will never be.
See this comment here just reeks of sentimental preference for Davis, like I said we just can't go saying what a player will be. Unless you and only you have some sort of future box you're look thorough. You're in strong denial if you thought Davis would be where he is now. Looking at him coming in his body was under developed, he took an ass beating by bigger guys, and he's still not the size he need to top out at. There are parts of Davis game that still needs developed, he's still not a strong back to basket player...and oh Okafor has that part mastered already just in case you missed it.


ak7 wrote: I don't think that a franchise who historically has had arguably the most formidable frontcourts of all time want to trot out a frontcourt of Randle/Okafor knowing that neither are going to impact the game defensively enough to justify them playing together for 30-36 minutes a game.
We have to see, no NBA team is built picture perfect and never will be. You're talking about two guys that are 20 and 19 !....give'em a break they have so much more to learn in terms of ball. You speak as if they'll never get it or can't learn more, that's just asinine.

ak7 wrote:Fact of the matter is, before the Lakers can talk about winning championships, they have to get out of the West. To do that, they need an elite guard, period. End of discussion. If you can't slow down Curry, Harden, Westbrook, Paul, or even remotely come close to matching their guard play you can't beat them in a series - because they too all trot out a formidable defensive presence in the frontcourt. Something we don't have, and won't have if our frontcourt is Okafor/Randle.
I think every sensible on this board knows that, we're a long way from just even winning 40 games. It's no need to forecast that far ahead.

Getting a guard will be the next order of business either way.

In closing....I know we all form our own opinions on players, but most here seem like they listen to scouts and hearsay too much. For guys to say what Julius and Jahlil will be before they can even play meaningful NBA minutes is just forming a myopic opinion. Again Julius was the best player in the state of Texas...you just don't trip on that by accident on day. Jahlil was one of the best in Chicago. People take too much from a busted college system and try to make it stick to these guys forever. It's don't work like that.

If anybody watched Kentucky in Julius's year and Duke in Okafor's season...you'd see that in college they don't run any type of defensive schemes. College defenses are just about as remedial as high school versions.

Bottom line if we end up with Okafor and he's paired with Randle and it doesn't work....then we have one hell of a young trade piece.

That's how you gotta look at.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#911 » by DEEP3CL » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:00 am

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KEVIN DING ‏@KevinDing 16s17 seconds ago

Kupchak said he has been so far unsuccessful getting @KarlTowns to come for Lakers workout and/or meeting but believes it will happen.


He ain't trying to be a laker ... 3 dog race as we were the other guys first workout


It's not him kblo, it's his agent/Adidas...trying to protect whatever value they envisioned.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#912 » by iamworthy » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:06 am

DEEP3CL wrote:
kblo247 wrote:
KEVIN DING ‏@KevinDing 16s17 seconds ago

Kupchak said he has been so far unsuccessful getting @KarlTowns to come for Lakers workout and/or meeting but believes it will happen.


He ain't trying to be a laker ... 3 dog race as we were the other guys first workout


It's not him kblo, it's his agent/Adidas...trying to protect whatever value they envisioned.


I dont typically follow the draft process this closely and Ive said this before, but it would seem like Karl Towns not working out for anyone is a knock on Minny. For some reason it would bother me more if we had the first pick. Do you guys think it means anything that Okafor worked out for us first?
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#913 » by Danny Darko » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:23 am

Okafor's interview is super pro lakers, but he's also a character guy who refuses to say anything bad about anyone else or that he'd prefer us to minn, but his tone to me just wreaks of wanting to be a laker and his statements about always being in winning orgs is a one sided argument pointed at LA.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#914 » by kblo247 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:26 am

iamworthy wrote:
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kblo247 wrote:
He ain't trying to be a laker ... 3 dog race as we were the other guys first workout


It's not him kblo, it's his agent/Adidas...trying to protect whatever value they envisioned.


I dont typically follow the draft process this closely and Ive said this before, but it would seem like Karl Towns not working out for anyone is a knock on Minny. For some reason it would bother me more if we had the first pick. Do you guys think it means anything that Okafor worked out for us first?


We were the first workout/dinners/meeting for Mudiay, Russell, and Okafor ... They all wanted to work out for us first
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#915 » by DEEP3CL » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:29 am

iamworthy wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:
kblo247 wrote:
He ain't trying to be a laker ... 3 dog race as we were the other guys first workout


It's not him kblo, it's his agent/Adidas...trying to protect whatever value they envisioned.


I dont typically follow the draft process this closely and Ive said this before, but it would seem like Karl Towns not working out for anyone is a knock on Minny. For some reason it would bother me more if we had the first pick. Do you guys think it means anything that Okafor worked out for us first?
I don't think it's a knock on Minny, I think that's more media driven. But heck he's not working out for us either...so it is what it is. This more than anything tells me that hidden powers are dictating this. I strongly believe his reps want him to go #1, on the same note Oakfor working out for us shows you he's open to any draft spot. Bottom line this is all a high stakes game of poker.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#916 » by Frank Dux » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:31 am

Lol, why on earth would Minny trade the rights for Towns for the Knicks garbage?

Towns is a perfect fit in Minny. He's exactly what they need. A young athletic defensive stud who can run with Wiggins and co.
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#917 » by dipstick » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:24 am

Since we started with the premise that Towns is getting picked at #1, is anyone else feeling slightly disappointed if the Wolves pick Okafor at #1? The way I have been psyching myself that Okafor would be more dominant offensively and thus would give a bigger impact would make me slightly disappointed that we would be left with Towns.

BTW, reported 2nd dinner with the coaches for both Russell and Okafor. Did Mudiay get that too?
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#918 » by ALL HAIL » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:06 am

dipstick wrote:Since we started with the premise that Towns is getting picked at #1, is anyone else feeling slightly disappointed if the Wolves pick Okafor at #1? The way I have been psyching myself that Okafor would be more dominant offensively and thus would give a bigger impact would make me slightly disappointed that we would be left with Towns.

BTW, reported 2nd dinner with the coaches for both Russell and Okafor. Did Mudiay get that too?

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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#919 » by kblo247 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:41 am

Mudiay got the second dinner too ... Not sure about Payne
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Re: The #2 Pick 

Post#920 » by ArC_man » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:40 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/608475458888433664[/tweet]
Apparently Flip has met with Towns already. Not sure if he saw him work out or not but this is probably why he's having a change of heart.

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