Did Nuggets loss lose LA homecourt vs Orlando?

daddyfivestar · Post #1 » by **daddyfivestar** » Fri Apr 9, 2010 11:51 pm

Now tied with Orlando for 2nd best record overall and with the head-to-head being even, and the schedules seemingly even (each team has 1 tough game left) it looks like Orlando wins the third tiebreaker should they meet:

Tiebreakers
(1) Head-to-head
(2) Division record (if the teams are in the same division)
(3) Conference record
(4) Record vs. Playoff teams, own conference
(5) Record vs. Playoff teams, other conference
(6) Net points, all games

slifersd · Post #2 » by **slifersd** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:17 am

Not yet, but the morons will lose it soon enough.

Mamba Venom · Post #3 » by **Mamba Venom** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:47 am

If the Lakers and Magic meet in the Finals and we both finish the season with the same record, who get home court?

Do we get it since we won the West or do they?

Post #4 » by **semi-sentient** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:00 am

No, the Magic hold the tie-breaker by way of having a better conference record.

LAKESHOW · Post #5 » by **LAKESHOW** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:03 am

doesnt matter, the cavs will kill the magic this time around.

J the Drafter · Post #6 » by **J the Drafter** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:01 am

The Lakers get homecourt in the event of a tie due to a better cross-conference record. They've won more games against the East then the Magic won against the West.

drsd · Post #7 » by **drsd** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:55 am

LAKESHOW wrote:doesnt matter, the cavs will kill the magic this time around.

Magic fan here: Cleveland still cannot match-up against Lewis and Howard. And Carter is now proving he can score in flood. Cleveland might win (which, as a Homer, I do not project), but they won't, in your words, "kill the magic (sic)."

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drsd · Post #8 » by **drsd** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:01 pm

J the Drafter wrote:The Lakers get homecourt in the event of a tie due to a better cross-conference record. They've won more games against the East then the Magic won against the West.

Magic fan here.

The unambiguous answers to the tie-breaker:

Directly from the NBA rules - without any edits, typographical, or otherwise (example, the parenthesize in #2 is the verbatim text):

Home Court Advantage:For purposes of home court advantage, ties will be broken pursuant to the procedures used for breaking two-team ties for playoff position.

That leads to:

Two Teams Tied
(1) Better winning percentage in games against each other.
(2) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(4) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

#1-Tie
#2-Not relevant
#3-Orlando is currently 36-13 and LA is currently 34-15

Looking at the rule book, it is quite clear that, as of today, Orlando has a putative tie-breaker against LAL.

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daddyfivestar · Post #9 » by **daddyfivestar** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:36 pm

Exactly why I posed this thread. LA needed to stay 1 game up on Orlando due to Magic having only 13 conf losses (maybe 14 after Sunday). Unless Orlando loses to Cleveland (who may sit LBJ) and LA wins out, LA has to go on road vs Cle or Orl now - which begs the question Why sit Kobe in the Den game?

J the Drafter · Post #10 » by **J the Drafter** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:41 pm

daddyfivestar wrote:Exactly why I posed this thread. LA needed to stay 1 game up on Orlando due to Magic having only 13 conf losses (maybe 14 after Sunday). Unless Orlando loses to Cleveland (who may sit LBJ) and LA wins out, LA has to go on road vs Cle or Orl now - which begs the question Why sit Kobe in the Den game?

People (including numerous reporters and Hollinger) are saying that the Lakers have the tiebreaker. The Lakers and the Magic are in different conferences, and evidently the league uses cross-conference records to determine the tiebreak for Finals homecourt. I don't think anyone has found an actual citation of this rule, though. I think I remember something about the rule for conference records not counting if the two teams are in a different conference (similar to how teams in different divisions don't use superior division records to tiebreak). If that's the case however, I'd have expected the tiebreak to move on down to the next criterion on the list. (Better record against own conference playoff teams, which Orlando would win.) Hang on, here's the list of tiebreak criteria from NBA.com: http://www.nba.com/standings/team_recor ... d_Cnf.html

At bottom.

DEEP3CL · Post #11 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:26 pm

Why is it so hard for guys to understand the cross conference tie breaker ? The Lakers had a better record against the East than the Magic had against the West............case close.

Mamba Venom · Post #12 » by **Mamba Venom** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:47 am

Do you know what would be great...

if tie breakers that need to go that far down the list could be decided another way and I'm not talking about a coin toss

How about a 1 on 1 game to decide home court. This wouldnt happen but every few years so it would be a huge deal when it went down. Play-off intensity 1 on 1 basketball. Talk about an entertaining treat for fans. Better than letting the all-star game decide home court and a lot better than these

(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(4) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

Look at the West and how many great teams there are. Clearly the Lakers 34-15 vs the West is more impressive than Orlando 36-13 vs the lEast.

daddyfivestar · Post #13 » by **daddyfivestar** » Fri May 14, 2010 5:49 pm

bump.

Now that Cleveland is knocked out, this isht just became big.

Post #14 » by **LLcoleJ** » Fri May 14, 2010 6:14 pm

Are you copying Cash's Avy? Threw me off there.

daddyfivestar · Post #15 » by **daddyfivestar** » Fri May 14, 2010 6:27 pm

Cloning. In a mirror.

BTW, stop calling him Cash. Much like Big Baby, he'd like to choose his own name... DC Ash.

Post #16 » by **LLcoleJ** » Fri May 14, 2010 6:37 pm

daddyfivestar wrote:Cloning. In a mirror.

BTW, stop calling him Cash. Much like Big Baby, he'd like to choose his own name... DC Ash.

So you are copying Cash's avy.

daddyfivestar · Post #17 » by **daddyfivestar** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:19 pm

No. Mine's upside down. Or maybe your screen is.... ? Don't know. Cannot see your screen from here.

His looks like some sort of street cone. Mine is more like hell's icicle.

Mamba Venom · Post #18 » by **Mamba Venom** » Sun May 16, 2010 8:01 am

Who ever we play, we need to steal a game in their building early in case the Lakers cant find the switch right away.

Game 3 or 4 vs. the Suns
Game 1 or 2 vs. the Magic or Game 3 or 4 vs. the Celts