Kobe vs Jordan

[K0beisGOAT]

I know you guys have had hundreds of these. I think from a pure basketball skill standpoint Kobe has already passed Jordan. Kobe has better range,handle,mid range,footwork,higher basketball iq. I give Jordan slight edge from atheltic standpoint. Alot of people give Jordan edge on defense, however they fail to mention that he was allowed to handcheck and played against a medicore class of shooting gaurds.

Ask yourself what were the Top 10 sgs of jordans era, and then compare them to todays top 10 Laughable. Out side of Clyde Drexler.

[Magicontinues]

Really? Another Kobe vs Jordan thread?

[chyau.00]

we will find out whos better....................in nba 2k11 =)

[ClutchKBMamba]

I know you guys have had hundreds of these. I think from a pure basketball skill standpoint Kobe has already passed Jordan.

Enough.........You sound like the KB42PAH guy from YouTube.

[semi-sentient]

Kobe has not passed Jordan, and he never will.

I really don't know how you can come to the conclusion that Kobe has better handles or a better basketball IQ than Jordan. Those two things stand out immediately in favor of Jordan.

Jordan had bigger hands and as a result turned the ball over less (although he handled it less), whereas Kobe regularly gets stripped in the post or when driving to the basket.

One of our biggest criticisms of Kobe is his bad decision making at times, particularly when he takes unnecessary shots that are of the high difficulty variety. Jordan was a better decision-maker, and as a result, simply has a better feel for the game which translates to a higher basketball IQ.

I would say that Kobe is a comparable passer, rebounder, has a comparable mid-range game as well as footwork, but Jordan was a better post-player due to his strength/athleticism.

Kobe does have more range, and I think he's not far behind Jordan defensively. You make a good point about the hand check rules and I would have loved to see Kobe playing defense under those circumstances, but I do believe that Jordan was still the superior defender because he had more physical gifts. Being quicker/stronger matters a lot on the defensive end, and that's what gives Jordan the edge.

[K0beisGOAT]

Kobe has not passed Jordan, and he never will.

I really don't know how you can come to the conclusion that Kobe has better handles or a better basketball IQ than Jordan. Those two things stand out immediately in favor of Jordan.

Jordan had bigger hands and as a result turned the ball over less (although he handled it less), whereas Kobe regularly gets stripped in the post or when driving to the basket.

One of our biggest criticisms of Kobe is his bad decision making at times, particularly when he takes unnecessary shots that are of the high difficulty variety. Jordan was a better decision-maker, and as a result, simply has a better feel for the game which translates to a higher basketball IQ.

I would say that Kobe is a comparable passer, rebounder, has a comparable mid-range game as well as footwork, but Jordan was a better post-player due to his strength/athleticism.

Kobe does have more range, and I think he's not far behind Jordan defensively. You make a good point about the hand check rules and I would have loved to see Kobe playing defense under those circumstances, but I do believe that Jordan was still the superior defender because he had more physical gifts. Being quicker/stronger matters a lot on the defensive end, and that's what gives Jordan the edge.

jordan was quick but he looked even quicker because of the lack of athletic ability at the sg postion...would jordan look as fast playin against wade,kobe,lebron,prime vince,B roy. during Jordan era there was time when reggie miller was the 2nd best sg, although a great clutch shooter couldnt not even create his own shot without a pick. Jordans only comp from a atheltic standpoint was Drextler

[jc23]

This is like chumming the water for Jordan fans But to me it will always be MJ if only because he seemed more genuine and he is who i grew up idolizing as a kid.

But im sure there are 16y/o now that have grown up on Kobe and he will be the player that they compare the next Kobe/MJ to.

[Sedale Threatt]

Kobe has not passed Jordan, and he never will.

Clear, concise and too the point.

Frankly, the fact that Kobe's even comparable, especially from the standpoint of competitive drive and work ethic, is a pretty amazing achievement. I don't know why that isn't enough.

Being the second-best SG in history behind someone of Jordan's caliber doesn't exactly suck.

[Sedale Threatt]

But im sure there are 16y/o now that have grown up on Kobe and he will be the player that they compare the next Kobe/MJ to.

That's why it's up to people who saw them both to keep the record straight. Mike was the best, and that's about all there is to it.

[popeye64821]

kobe's better than jordan.....period......if kobe played in jordan's era, then he would have accomplished just as much as jordan did...... what talent was there back then? has jordan ever gone up against a player wiith talents/physical attributes/scoring ability of melo, lbj, dwade,dwight, paul pierce, kg, ray allen, .....players in the 90's were more focused on money and trying to avg 20 ppg, not win a championship..,.they really just wanted fame......half the guys in the league jordan beat in the early-mid 90's were coke heads ex. shawn kemp.......jordan beat a john stockton/malone team.....kobe took out nash and amare.....where was jordan's comp? if lebron/ melo/ kobe/ dwade were put in the same era as jordan, then they would have had the same hype and praise as jordan.....kobe's better than jordan....he plays in an era where everyone is focused on championships, where everyone wants to be the best, not just make dough and become famous.....oh and 3 superstars never came together to take out jordan either... wade lbj, bosh sure had to join forces to try and take out kobe.....it's just something about the era in which kobe has played......but that's my opinion, just as you are entitled to your own....

[Sedale Threatt]

where was jordan's comp?

Dropped 63 on a Celtics team with Bird, McHale and Parish that most think is among the best of all time.

Beat Magic's Lakers in the Finals.

Beat a very good Portland team in the Finals, crushing his contemporary Clyde Drexler in the process.

Beat Barkley's Suns in the Finals.

Repeatedly denied the Ewing/Riley Knicks.

Beat Payton/Kemp's Sonics in the Finals.

Beat Malone/Stockton's Jazz in the Finals -- twice.

His other peers included Olajuwon, Robinson, Shaq, Kareem, Erving and Isiah, all of whom made the Top 50. Also Dominique Wilkins, who should have made the Top 50.

Head-to-head might not have been great (Drexler, Richmond, Dumars and Miller are the only great SGs I can think of he got in their prime), and not all of those guys were in their primes.

But overall, he competed against and beat some of the best players the game has ever seen.

[Pablo Escobar]

Jordan was the best in his era and Kobe is the best in this era.

[K0beisGOAT]

But im sure there are 16y/o now that have grown up on Kobe and he will be the player that they compare the next Kobe/MJ to.

That's why it's up to people who saw them both to keep the record straight. Mike was the best, and that's about all there is to it.

i saw both iam 29 years old u cant argue Jordans acomplishments, but pure basketball skill edge Kobe

[K0beisGOAT]

where was jordan's comp?

Dropped 63 on a Celtics team with Bird, McHale and Parish that most think is among the best of all time.

Beat Magic's Lakers in the Finals.

Beat a very good Portland team in the Finals, crushing his contemporary Clyde Drexler in the process.

Beat Barkley's Suns in the Finals.

Repeatedly denied the Ewing/Riley Knicks.

Beat Payton/Kemp's Sonics in the Finals.

most of the guys u mention dont play SG postion Jordan was not matched up with em much. Also how many of those guys were on Jordans level athelticaly

Beat Malone/Stockton's Jazz in the Finals -- twice.

His other peers included Olajuwon, Robinson, Shaq, Kareem, Erving and Isiah, all of whom made the Top 50. Also Dominique Wilkins, who should have made the Top 50.

Head-to-head might not have been great (Drexler, Richmond, Dumars and Miller are the only great SGs I can think of he got in their prime), and not all of those guys were in their primes.

But overall, he competed against and beat some of the best players the game has ever seen.

[Sedale Threatt]

i saw both iam 29 years old u cant argue Jordans acomplishments, but pure basketball skill edge Kobe

Rik Smits had more pure basketball skill than Shaq. Who would you take?

And I'm not trying to say it's an equivalent comparison. Kobe is obviously closer to Jordan than Smits was to O'Neal. I'm just saying more skill -- which is debatable in this case -- doesn't necessarily matter.

[Unt0uchabl3]

Jordan was the best in his era and Kobe is the best in this era.

I agree with this, kobe is kobe not jordan. Let these players create there own legacy. Now its the wade and lebron era.

[Sedale Threatt]

Not until the torch has been officially been passed. They still have to earn it.

[ElCapitan01Jax]

I wana see Jordan deal with the athletic wing freaks we have in the league.Of course hes a better decision maker against people like John Starks and Craig Ehlo.Those guys are jokes.Funny thing is a guy like KEvin Durant 6'10 can do a decent job on the wing against Kobe and bother him with his length.I dont wana hear Jordan's first step is faster.My first step is fast also if Craig Ehlo is guarding me.Byron Russell another legendary defender.Funny thing is Jordan put up empty stats till he had a team.Forget about Dumars all those 6'3-6'4 guys who would get torched by bigger guards today.Kobe plays in the toughest era of NBA basketball.Not even close.

[K0beisGOAT]

I wana see Jordan deal with the athletic wing freaks we have in the league.Of course hes a better decision maker against people like John Starks and Craig Ehlo.Those guys are jokes.Funny thing is a guy like KEvin Durant 6'10 can do a decent job on the wing against Kobe and bother him with his length.I dont wana hear Jordan's first step is faster.My first step is fast also if Craig Ehlo is guarding me.Byron Russell another legendary defender.Funny thing is Jordan put up empty stats till he had a team.Forget about Dumars all those 6'3-6'4 guys who would get torched by bigger guards today.Kobe plays in the toughest era of NBA basketball.Not even close.

^^^^^^^ this

[Pablo Escobar]

lol Sedale is going to destroy you ballboys