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Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#1 » by zelezeal » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:15 pm

The Lakers have a couple losses this year where they have played lethargic (phx and indiana) or have loss leads late in games: Utah and Denver.

One of the common knocks on Phil Jackson ( i heard throughout his time as lakers coach) is his rotations and quesitonable use of bench players. I think Phil should rest Kobe more and allow Sasha to play more. Kobe played 41 minutes versus Indiana? I do not think that bodes well for his body or his game.
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Post#2 » by Gek » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:27 pm

I didn't realize Sasha had an account on RealGM.



Also I think you meant to say "bodes" not "bolds" at the end.
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Re: Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#3 » by SoundGarden » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:34 pm

lol i know this is a troll thread but if anything kobe s minutes need to go up.
and quite frankly im really surprised how kobe is taking this minutes go down thing so good so far.
lastly i rather have kobe chucking up shots rather than vujacic.
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Re: Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#4 » by Optms » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:35 pm

Pau is flirting with 40 MPG and you have the audacity to mention Kobe? KOBE?! Who is playing the least amount of minutes in years at a mere 33 minutes a game?!?!?!

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Lets be serious here, if Sasha promises us a fine piece of Russian ass court side for every game, then maybe we'll work an extra minute in here and there. Idk, we'll see. Oh and she has to sit like a man. Slouched, legs wide open. Take it or leave it.
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Post#5 » by LApwnd » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:47 pm

I blame ALL the loses on the "let them figure it out strategy," Den goes on 10-0 run in 4th qtr, no TO until Den gets the lead, Utah cuts into a 19pt lead into 4 or 5 w/o TO buy the time starters get back in ALL momentum is gone. Indy starts 8-0 in 3rd qtr no TO until leads get to 15. Seriously people keep using the he's got 12 rings to say otherwise but proof is in the putting, we had several loses attributed to this same stupid strategy year after year.
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Re: Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#6 » by zelezeal » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:27 pm

SoundGarden wrote:lol i know this is a troll thread but if anything kobe s minutes need to go up.
and quite frankly im really surprised how kobe is taking this minutes go down thing so good so far.
lastly i rather have kobe chucking up shots rather than vujacic.




Anyways, I disagree with you about Kobe. Kobe had knee surgery and has a finger issue, and he's not getting any younger. He has a lot of miles on his legs, and it's about winning the championship.The Lakers are very talented, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to play Sasha and our bench more.... Plus, why pay guys collectively 10-12 million dollars a season and not even use them. (walton and sasha)
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Post#7 » by SniperHawk10 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:38 pm

Anyways, I disagree with you about Kobe. Kobe had knee surgery and has a finger issue, and he's not getting any younger. He has a lot of miles on his legs, and it's about winning the championship.The Lakers are very talented, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to play Sasha and our bench more.... Plus, why pay guys collectively 10-12 million dollars a season and not even use them. (walton and sasha)

i don't mind cutting back on minutes, but come on... with the minutes concerning KOBE, you judge one game of 40+ minutes and you say he needs to cut down on his minutes? And plus, the reason we don't use walton and sasha is... 1: They aren't worth what their receiving.. 2: You would rather play those 2 over brown and barnes? I dont know why your concerned with our small rotation, the minutes are fine there. What we should be concerned about however, is the rotation of our bigs. Unless your implying that you wish to play walton/sasha at the 4? :roll:
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Re: Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#8 » by zelezeal » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:46 pm

SniperHawk10 wrote:
Anyways, I disagree with you about Kobe. Kobe had knee surgery and has a finger issue, and he's not getting any younger. He has a lot of miles on his legs, and it's about winning the championship.The Lakers are very talented, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to play Sasha and our bench more.... Plus, why pay guys collectively 10-12 million dollars a season and not even use them. (walton and sasha)

i don't mind cutting back on minutes, but come on... with the minutes concerning KOBE, you judge one game of 40+ minutes and you say he needs to cut down on his minutes? And plus, the reason we don't use walton and sasha is... 1: They aren't worth what their receiving.. 2: You would rather play those 2 over brown and barnes? I dont know why your concerned with our small rotation, the minutes are fine there. What we should be concerned about however, is the rotation of our bigs. Unless your implying that you wish to play walton/sasha at the 4? :roll:


Ok. 41 minutes verus indy at home early in the season. i simply do not think it bodes well later on if it continues...thats all i was saying..what do i know, i'm just a troll.
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Re: Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#9 » by LAKESHOW » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:39 pm

rest? these guys hardly practiced during training camp.

they need to get bynum back, thats the bottom line. the INSIDE interior game is sorely lacking.

strength on the interior, and less perimeter action and we stomp on all of these teams who pound the glass on us.
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Post#10 » by joe.linnen » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:42 pm

We need another big body that can take minutes off of Gasol and Odom. It isn't fair to them either.
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Post#11 » by Jase » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:54 am

I always hope Caracter and Ebanks log meaningful minutes against lower-competition teams. We just happen to play down to their level so it doesn't happen...
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Re: Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#12 » by SniperHawk10 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:54 am

SniperHawk10 wrote:i don't mind cutting back on minutes, but come on... with the minutes concerning KOBE, you judge one game of 40+ minutes and you say he needs to cut down on his minutes? And plus, the reason we don't use walton and sasha is... 1: They aren't worth what their receiving.. 2: You would rather play those 2 over brown and barnes? I dont know why your concerned with our small rotation, the minutes are fine there. What we should be concerned about however, is the rotation of our bigs. Unless your implying that you wish to play walton/sasha at the 4? :roll:


zelezeal wrote:Ok. 41 minutes verus indy at home early in the season. i simply do not think it bodes well later on if it continues...thats all i was saying..what do i know, i'm just a troll.


Can you point out where in my writing above i called you a troll? All i was saying is that the rotation for our smaller guy is fine. I am hey, apart from kobe, who is playing at just 33 minutes, no one else in the rotation has cracked 30minutes. So now you want to throw in vujacic and walton to rest bench players that aren't even gassed? The thing we need for the team is more of caracter, (and maybe some artest / barnes playing some 4?) but there is no way gasol can keep this up..
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Re: Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#13 » by laduane1 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:17 am

With 2 of your bigs out anothe 3 weeks or longer. The answer should have been to sign a back up to fill those extra few minutes. Just look at it as insurance for your stars. Seems easy. Kobe is playing a lot of minutes. Brown and others need to step up and help more. It is a team. They need to be that and not loose 4 of the last 9 or whatever it is.
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Post#14 » by DonKilluminati » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:36 am

LApwnd wrote:I blame ALL the loses on the "let them figure it out strategy," Den goes on 10-0 run in 4th qtr, no TO until Den gets the lead, Utah cuts into a 19pt lead into 4 or 5 w/o TO buy the time starters get back in ALL momentum is gone. Indy starts 8-0 in 3rd qtr no TO until leads get to 15. Seriously people keep using the he's got 12 rings to say otherwise but proof is in the putting, we had several loses attributed to this same stupid strategy year after year.


If you don't have confidence in your bench, then why expect them to produce anything at all? A few losses a year is perfectly acceptable if it means that your bench mob knows they're not being micromanaged like a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) 4 year old strapped to his mom's chest. Letting people know it's okay to suck sometimes and make mistakes is a brilliant strategy on Phil's part if you ask me, and it really makes him seem like a true Zen mastah.
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Post#15 » by LApwnd » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:12 am

^^^well PJ does it with both starters/bench, either way doesn't look like they learn jack ****, as apparent in both Den/Indy gm, they just keep on chucking and dont go into the post and play faster pace which leads right into what the opponents want us to do.
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Post#16 » by laduane1 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:17 am

Should Phil rest starters More?
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Post#17 » by Optms » Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:12 pm

zelezeal wrote:Ok. 41 minutes verus indy at home early in the season. i simply do not think it bodes well later on if it continues...thats all i was saying..what do i know, i'm just a troll.


Chill. You're over exaggerating about Sunday's game.

He was playing 32 a game prior to the Pacers game, ya know. A mere 41 minute game isn't going to hurt him in the long run. If you were paying attention to the rest of the Lakers 16 games before it, you'd know too what to expect for the rest of the season. He'll be plenty rested come playoffs. Don't stress yourself over it.
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Post#18 » by LA Forever » Wed Dec 1, 2010 10:36 pm

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Re: Should Phil rest starters More? 

Post#19 » by tugs » Thu Dec 2, 2010 6:09 am

if you meant "starters" as "Fisher" then yeah. give the starting job to Blake. this'll never be an issue with the players. not sure about Kobe's thoughts if Fish is benched but this i think is a better move match up wise with quicker opposing guards.

if not to start Blake, then let him or Shannon finish games.
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Post#20 » by So Gutta » Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:08 am

ABSOLUTELY! Our bench seems to have more cohesion that the starters!
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