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That Nicka wrote:Dwight Howard and not close.

Aki wrote:assuming we're trading bynum/filler for one of these guys... these players are too good not to integrate and alter the triangle to better fit their skillsets. the triangle is good at emphasising a team's strengths and with CP3/deron, the triangle will still look absolutely fantastic, it would be like having a real 5 headed monster on the court

you take dwight if you want to destroy the league. but don't mind having that hole at PG (hey its worked so far...). the arguments are already there, no need to rehash them

seeing as this is a debate, im going to argue (for the sake of arguing) FOR CP3/deron, and fitting them into the triangle.

you take CP3/deron if you take the ball out of kobe's hands and turn him into a very rich man's rip hamilton. kobe's good enough to play without the ball, heck, with CP3/deron feeding him, he'd average 25-30 ppg for the remainder of his career on 60% shooting. but the days of the kobe iso would be practically over.

another advantage is alleviating kobe of lead guard duties. its a MAJOR upgrade at the point. kobe moves to the wing, and generates 75% of his points being 1-2 steps ahead of his defender instead of having to work so hard, and we've seen how fantastic kobe moves and how infinitely easier it is for kobe to score coming off a weakside curl or flashing across the lane for a FT jumper.

kobe's definitely good enough to feed the bigs when defenses have to rotate to limit his effectiveness, so whilst kobe isn't getting into the lane as much as even a season ago, having deron/CP3 would definitely earn him easier looks and increase his effectiveness. you only need to take one look at how boston run ray allen off screens all the time to be convinced at how much pain kobe will inflict upon defenses when he's being fed like a big man (should).

at worst kobe will look like elgin baylor on crack (and modern medicine)

i would prefer deron over CP3 of course, he's huge, he can't be stopped getting into the lane (not with how well spacing usually is) and he's an incredibly willing passer and he's capable of role-reversing with kobe just to add that additional dimension to the lakers' offense that we might never see again in the history of the triangle offense.

can you guys imagine a defense trying to deal with an 1-2 two-man game? if you thought kobe screening for fisher won game 3, how badly would we abuse defenses if kobe was getting fed like amare on the roll?

then there's the defensive end, and instant elimination the one giant hole in your defense that will force teams to looking for a different way into the heart of the lakers defense.

at worst, we are prolonging kobe's superstar effectiveness for 1-3 seasons, and a better than 25% chance that kobe breaks KAJ's record for most regular season points (if kobe plays til 38).

richboy wrote:Sounds like your changing the offense since you have Kobe running off screens and running PNRs.Sound like were running the Boston offense. 25-30 a night. Are you serious? I personally don't think he would have nearly as much success as your thinking. Ray Allen does that aspect better than Kobe Bryant and he averages 15. How is Kobe averaging 25-30 coming off screens like Ray Allen or Reggie Miller.

Aki wrote:

richboy wrote:Sounds like your changing the offense since you have Kobe running off screens and running PNRs.Sound like were running the Boston offense. 25-30 a night. Are you serious? I personally don't think he would have nearly as much success as your thinking. Ray Allen does that aspect better than Kobe Bryant and he averages 15. How is Kobe averaging 25-30 coming off screens like Ray Allen or Reggie Miller.

as you might tell, i'm a huge triangle nut, having kobe bryant playing in a different role just had me foaming at the mouth at the possibilities

the thing with the triangle. it incorporates all of that and more. the thing with kobe is he can pretty much play all the positions that you have in the triangle and that gives you options upon options upon options to exploit.

kobe loves running down the floor and occupying the midpost and being the center, kobe loves being the lead-guard and calling (usually) gasol to elbow screen for him, but kobe is most effective when he receives the ball closer to the rim without someone stuck to him like napalm

having deron would mean kobe plays less lead guard (as he is now), and more off-guard (ala ray allen) or forward (ala durant), and more specifically weakside forward (ala 2004 malone)

we're not talking about running the same sets. although some of those sets might seem the same.

its also not as if there's another large dominant offensive force greater than kobe on this team, ray allen sees a usage rate of ~18% as an off-guard with rondo setting him up with PP/KG as options, whereas kobe registers ~33% of possessions (as a lead guard) with only gasol to seriously eat into his shot count and that wouldnt deter kobe from shooting anyway.

that isn't to say kobe will be run off screens all game long, he'll still touch the ball in the confines of the ball movement within the triangle and make decisions, but instead with easier decisions to make

not the individual triple threat type decisions; but more "WTFBBQ im open 12-15 ft from the basket and i've got a driving lane type" decisions.

the thing with kobe is he's going to dominate the ball, if you can't change the man's habits, at least make kobe as efficient as you can. i just can't see why kobe can't raise his efficiency, average more ppg and prolong his career at the same time.

That Nicka wrote:Dwight Howard and not close.