THE LAKERS SHOULD BE BLOWN UP FOR THIS!

[The_Trade_Seer]

There seems to be a lot of disagreement on this board as to whether the Lakers brass should blow up this team and start over or whether they should merely tinker with the lineup and bring the core of the team back for another run.

However there does not seem to be any disagreement on this board that the Lakers should try their best to land either CP3 or D12.

Well, the trade master is at it again and boy do I have THREE shockers that can realistically land us BOTH D12 and CP3!

TRADE #1: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5886321

The above trade would leave us with a post-trade lineup of:

PG: CP3/Fisher/Duhon
SG: Kobe/Q-Tip/2nd round pick
SF: Hedo/Barnes/Walton
PF: Bass/MLE/2nd round pick
C: D12/Okafor/2nd round pick

TRADE #2: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5886324

The above trade would leave us with a post-trade lineup of:

PG: CP3/Fisher/2nd round pick
SG: Kobe/Arenas/2nd round pick
SF: Hedo/Barnes/Walton
PF: Bass/MLE/2nd round pick
C: D12/Vet Min/2nd round pick


TRADE #3: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5886331

The above trade would leave us with a post-trade lineup of:

PG: CP3/Fisher/Duhon
SG: Kobe/Barnes/Q-Tip
SF: Ariza/Hedo/Walton
PF: Bass/Landry/2nd round pick
C: D12/Vet Min/2nd round pick

Note: Carl Landry is not mentioned in the above trade checker as he is in the last year of his contract and the program can't recognize such. However in the above scenario the Lakers could land Landry as well in a S&T deal that nets him a deal with a starting salary anywhere under $6.9 mil which is way more than his market value which is probably somewhere in the 5-6 mil range.

If there is ANYONE out there that would not do these deals, please consider yourself a lunatic. My personal favorite is the third deal which lands us Ariza as it is the most athletic and youngest team. It is also the only team where I did not include an MLE signing giving us greater financial flexibility.

So ... would you blow up the Lakers for any or all of the above three deals? I WOULD!

[KB24TBOTB]

Would never happen

[Mamba Venom]

It happens every 7 years on average for LA. Shoot. 3 more to go. Wait.

[TruSkool]

i'd do scenario 3 in a beat

[Jetset]

1. You're not the trade master. I am.
2. Those aren't realistic, both Orlando and New Orleans are getting ripped off.
3. Orlando is getting ripped off from a cap space standpoint, they'll have the contracts of Artest, Gasol, Okafor and Arenas on their books. And that's fair for a rebuilding team?
4. New Orleans is getting ripped off from a talent standpoint. Bynum's ok I suppose, but you expect a Steve Blake and two rookies to get us the league's best PG? Yeah that's right I said the league's best PG, and he's being traded for Bynum and scraps? I just don't see it and it's not even see-able so I won't strain my eyes trying to do so.


That is all.

[DEEP3CL]

I burst out laughin' at that trade. We get murdered in that deal........a trade for a bunch of losers to date so far.

So let me get this straight, you make a trade for a bunch of players who haven't played that much together or never played with each other at all and expect to contend and win an NBA title in 1 year ?

Genius. It's hard enough already just to incorporate 1 or 2 guys on a new team. Look at Blake this year, Ron last season. It's not that easy just saying let's trade for "so and so" and we win it all.

Step back to reality.

[stunnar0b]

for amusement purposes i'll take the third one please with no triangle offense

that is all

[Vincent 666]

This team doesnt need drastic changes.

They need improvements in the guard/playmaking ability

Aside from Bryant, the Lakers didnt have any perimeter player who could consistently generate offense and shots for others. And when Bryant had an off game, their perimeter play was almost non existent.

[The_Trade_Seer]

I burst out laughin' at that trade. We get murdered in that deal........a trade for a bunch of losers to date so far. ... Step back to reality.

So Jetset says the Magic and Hornets get raped in these deals and you say that the Lakers get murdered ... silly boys.

I could care the less if it takes a full or even two full seasons for those teams to mature together, you're talking about dumping an inury plagued center and a bunch of declining 30 year olds for CP3, Dwight, Bass, etc ... that is a team that can contend for titled for the next decade, with or without Kobe!

You're nuts dude ...

[The_Trade_Seer]

1. You're not the trade master. I am.

Hahaha, that's hilarious. I don't even see you hardly ever proposing any trades, let alone good ones.

2. Those aren't realistic, both Orlando and New Orleans are getting ripped off.

You're crazy. Orlando is making out like a bandit in all three of those trades and the Hornets are getting Bynum, Blake, Ebanks, Caracter and the ability to dump massive salary in every deal ... that is a great move for them. They would have the most cap space of any team in the league.

3. Orlando is getting ripped off from a cap space standpoint, they'll have the contracts of Artest, Gasol, Okafor and Arenas on their books. And that's fair for a rebuilding team?

Where do you get this "rebuilding" garbage? Dude, they are a cap starpped veteran playoff team, they are NOT in rebuilding mode. They are losing their YOUNG stud and have a bunch of high dollar vets on board, there only hope is to try and win now, not "rebuild". Regardless, what you say makes no sense as Arenas is dealt in one of my trade proposals and Artest is swapped for Hedo which saves the Magic money.

The Magic are locked and loaded as-is for quite some time dude ... they went down the Lebron pipeline and won't even escape as well as the Cavs, salary wise.

4. New Orleans is getting ripped off from a talent standpoint. Bynum's ok I suppose, but you expect a Steve Blake and two rookies to get us the league's best PG? Yeah that's right I said the league's best PG, and he's being traded for Bynum and scraps? I just don't see it and it's not even see-able so I won't strain my eyes trying to do so.

Dude, CP# can easily leave the Hornets and sign with Knicks after next year, leaving the Hornets with NOTHING. Getting Bynum (who is more than okay ... he was the best playoff performer on a defending champion team with two HOF'ers), two young guys, a solid PG and saving a bunch of money by dumping Okafor and/or Ariza is a GREAT deal for the Hornets and would make them the biggest FA player in the league instantly. Mark my words, Paul will sign with the Knicks if he isn't traded and since the Knicks have NOTHING to trade for him, the Hornets better wise up and get a deal done and the ones I propose make them big-time FA players and allow them to rebuild in a fast and big way.

That is all.

I'm sorry you have no basketball "vision" and thank God you're not the Lakers GM.

[The_Trade_Seer]

... i'll take the third one please with no triangle offense that is all

I second that motion ... the third trade and a Rick Adelman hiring and I'm in!

[The_Trade_Seer]

i'd do scenario 3 in a beat

MOST DEFINITELY!

[DEEP3CL]

I burst out laughin' at that trade. We get murdered in that deal........a trade for a bunch of losers to date so far. ... Step back to reality.

So Jetset says the Magic and Hornets get raped in these deals and you say that the Lakers get murdered ... silly boys.

I could care the less if it takes a full or even two full seasons for those teams to mature together, you're talking about dumping an inury plagued center and a bunch of declining 30 year olds for CP3, Dwight, Bass, etc ... that is a team that can contend for titled for the next decade, with or without Kobe!

You're nuts dude ...

AI, calm down homie........I get the gist of the trades and looking at from a long term point of view it could very well be a step in a winning direction in a perfect world . But we're in the "now" and seriously man no team in NBA history has torn down a team that drastically in one off season. Another aspect you have to consider is this, nobody is going to make any type of trades that help the Lakers contend for a 4-6 year window. C'mon man think logically here.

Man I've been watching the league way too long.......I know it doesn't go down that easy or in the manner you put it in at all. I stay in reality man, and that what you proposed isn't reality.

[Edrees]

Here'a more a realistic option than what the OP offers:

-Get the heat to waive lebron, sign him for vet minimum
-trade luke walton and joe smith for wade
-d12 walks from the magic and we sign him with MLE
-trade ebanks and the rest of our junk for Dirk

here's our rotation

PG: Lebron/Fisher/Blake
SG: Kobe/Wade
C: d12 / bynum
SF: Ron/ barnes
PF - Dirk/Pau

[The_Trade_Seer]

AI, calm down homie........

I'm calm ...

I get the gist of the trades and looking at from a long term point of view it could very well be a step in a winning direction in a perfect world.

Most definitely.

But we're in the "now" and seriously man no team in NBA history has torn down a team that drastically in one off season.

Um, really? Are you forgetting it just happened last summer and that team (Heat) has advanced further in the playoffs than the Lakers and look headed for a title?

Another aspect you have to consider is this, nobody is going to make any type of trades that help the Lakers contend for a 4-6 year window. C'mon man think logically here.

I don't agree with this at all. The Magic could care the less about what the Lakers do or don't do, they worry about what their own team does and they know trading Dwight to the Lakers is a much smarter move than watching him bolt to NY or Brooklyn for nothing. It's actually a plus dealing with us as they'd be trading him out of the conference.

As for the Hornets, they suck anyways and know they are about to lose CP3 for nothing as well. The trades I proposed all would instantly make the Hornets the biggest FA players in the league and start an instant and promising rebuild.

Man I've been watching the league way too long.......I know it doesn't go down that easy or in the manner you put it in at all. I stay in reality man, and that what you proposed isn't reality.

Again, the Heat just did it less than a year ago! The Knicks and Nets have almost completely re-tooled in a very short time as well.

Trading an injury plagued center and a bunch of declining 30+ year olds for Dwight, CP3, Ariza, Bass, etc would be a move that makes the Lakers title contenders for the next decade.

[Jetset]

AI why can't you post in regular block for like everyone else? Your sh*t is annoying to read.

1. That's funny when I came up with the slight change in that Washington trade you were all over it and agreed with me. Now it's "you don't even make good trade suggestions". Please, just because no one has the Lakers getting Howard + Paul doesn't mean they're horrible ideas. They're actually realistic.

2-4. I didn't read what you posted. There was no need to, we aren't getting both Paul and Howard and that's it.

It would take one with vision to be able to tell if one has "basketball vision". You are nothing more than a poster of an internet forum who introduces lopsided trades to the world through the internet. I'm not sure who you think you but I can assure that you are not it. For you to even think that trade is within the realm of possibility is blasphemous, and if these trades are your "vision" then you need to see a doctor right away because your case of cross-eye is by far the most advanced I've ever seen.

[The_Trade_Seer]

AI why can't you post in regular block for like everyone else? Your sh*t is annoying to read.

Then don't read it ...

1. That's funny when I came up with the slight change in that Washington trade you were all over it and agreed with me. Now it's "you don't even make good trade suggestions". Please, just because no one has the Lakers getting Howard + Paul doesn't mean they're horrible ideas. They're actually realistic.

I said you don't make many, let alone good ones ... one slight change that I did agree with is still just one ... a "trade master" which you said you are would make more, no?

2-4. I didn't read what you posted. There was no need to, we aren't getting both Paul and Howard and that's it.

Maybe not, but we could and should ... that's my point.

It would take one with vision to be able to tell if one has "basketball vision". You are nothing more than a poster of an internet forum who introduces lopsided trades to the world through the internet. I'm not sure who you think you but I can assure that you are not it. For you to even think that trade is within the realm of possibility is blasphemous, and if these trades are your "vision" then you need to see a doctor right away because your case of cross-eye is by far the most advanced I've ever seen.

You do realize that none of the above even makes sense right

[Jetset]

Too many big words for you to comprehend? Or did you not get me saying that your vision is impaired? And quite honestly you're so far out I'm not even sure eye surgery can fix this "vision" of yours. You're more along the lines of emergency brain surgery. And that slight change you agreed with is more realistic than anything you've ever posted since your join date.


I'm not even sure why I argue you with, it's impossible for you to gain a sense of realism. When everyone is telling you that that trade is impossible don't you think you need to step back and take their advice? You're like initiald on the GB you post ludicrous trades and try your hardest to justify them. Go ahead and post this on the trades and transactions board and we'll see what your "vision" looks like to the other fans who will be laughing their asses off when they read it.

[The_Trade_Seer]

Too many big words for you to comprehend?

Nope ... just garbled words, bad english and nonsense.

Or did you not get me saying that your vision is impaired? And quite honestly you're so far out I'm not even sure eye surgery can fix this "vision" of yours. You're more along the lines of emergency brain surgery.

Are you 11 years old?

And that slight change you agreed with is more realistic than anything you've ever posted since your join date.

Funny since I proposed the Wiz trade first, called the Pau trade, called the Vinsanity trade almost perfectly, etc .... keep hating dude, keep hating and making "slight changes to other's ideas"

I'm not even sure why I argue you with,

Then don't.

it's impossible for you to gain a sense of realism.

Dude, have you ever in your life called a real trade in advance? I have. You're a prenteder man.

When everyone is telling you that that trade is impossible don't you think you need to step back and take their advice?

You don't seem to get it ... you said the Hornets and Magic get raped in the deal while another said we get raped in the deal ... that is the problem, ya'll guys don't know what you're talking about, you look at everything emotionally and not logically ... the trades I proposed could and should be done ... will they, probably not, but they should be. I wouldn't doubt if either Dwight or CP# ends up bolting and leaving their teams with nothing and if that happens, it's obvious those idiot GM'S should have done my trade, but many GM's don't seem to care about what's best for their teams, just what makes them look good and save face. Sad.

You're like initiald on the GB you post ludicrous trades and try your hardest to justify them. Go ahead and post this on the trades and transactions board and we'll see what your "vision" looks like to the other fans who will be laughing their asses off when they read it.

I hardly ever post on any of the GB's ... to much insanity, it's all homers going crazy, no thanks.

[The_Trade_Seer]

In fact Jetset, rather than running your mouth, why don't you right here in this thread post the three most realistic trades for Dwight and CP3 ... show the 3 best realistic deals the Magic can get for Dwight and the Hornets can get for CP3 ...

Let's hear a deal involving the Nets entire team (since Brook Lopez only makes around $2.4mil a year) minus Deron for Dwight, or a Knicks deal involving Chauncey and Fields for CP3, hahahahaha

Put up or shut up homie ... list the three most realistic trades Orlando and N'Oleans can get!