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Jerry West on Phil, Buss & Lakers in his autobiography 

Post#1 » by Slava » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:27 pm

On Phil:

West and Phil Jackson clearly had a distant relationship from the moment the Lakers brought Jackson in to coach Shaquille O’Neal and Bryant, and West confirms it all.

West says he was definitely troubled by Jackson’s relationship with Jeanie Buss and was put off by much of what Jackson was doing (Jackson’s first year was West’s last with the Lakers).

”So one of the problems I had with Phil was this,” West writes. “His office was right near mine and when he would arrive in the morning, he would walk right past and never even bother to wave or duck his head in to say hello.

“He would later say that he felt the need to stake out his territory, that on top of that he was ’a wack job,’ but I am sure it was more than that.”

West compares Jackson’s attitude to Pat Riley’s reach for more power after winning titles as the Laker coach, but West suggests that Jackson’s display was a colder version to experience.

“Phil and I had no relationship,” West writes. “None. He didn’t want me around and had absolutely no respect for me–of that, I have no doubt.”

–West re-counts and confirms one of the long-rumored tension points–West says Jackson threw him out of the locker room after a game, personally (“Jerry, get the f– out, I’m not finished here yet,” West quotes Jackson as saying, though West adds that Jackson later said he didn’t know it was West.)

West said he quickly left the locker room and didn’t ever respond to Jackson’s action.

“I wasn’t going to lower myself and get into a p– contest with him,” West writes.


On Jerry Buss:

“I wasn’t going to lower myself and get into a p– contest with him,” West writes.

–West says his relationship with owner Jerry Buss was altered when the Lakers moved out of the Forum in 1999 to Staples Center, and Buss was around less and less.

“The close nature of our relationship began to change, and not only did I feel more and more unappreciated, or under-appreciated, but my own personal demons, rooted in my childhood, were threatening me,” West writes.

“The Lakers had been home to me, unlike the home I had grown up and felt apart from. But now the home was feeling less and less hospitable, and I was sensing that I didn’t belong, or wasn’t wanted, there any more, that I had stayed too long at the fair and it was time for me to go.”

West coolly mentions that Buss did not attend the Lakers’ announcement of West’s resignation.

Of course, West didn’t attend it either, but that’s not his point.

West also prints the letter his wife sent to Buss in 1999 (unbeknowst to West at the time), during some particularly difficult emotional period for West, and notes that Buss did not respond to it.


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Re: Jerry West on Phil, Buss & Lakers in his autobiography 

Post#2 » by large1974 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:53 pm

Can't we all just get along and do our Jobs.
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Post#3 » by ALL HAIL » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:56 am

It kinda sucks that in today's NBA you almost have to have a "big name" coach for the players to respect and respond to the coaching staff.

That's why Phil Jackson was hired by West in the first place ... because the Lakers could not and were not responding to Del Harris. The Lakers and West felt as though they needed a "big name" coach that commanded respect.

Enter Phil Jackson.

It wasn't like that back in the day. Pat Riley and Phil Jackson were hired as assistants and went on to coaching glory. There are many other examples as well.

It is what it is, but I wish GMs were a little braver to hire up and comers and that players were a little more professional to be able to respond whoever the coach might be, however unknown they might be.
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Post#4 » by DEEP3CL » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:00 am

Good points ALL HAIL, further more Del Harris was a friend of West and it was plainly obvious that during the time the young guns at the time ( Nick, Eddie, Kobe Shaq, Robert, D-Fish and Rick) who were considered the core of the team and continued to shut Del out more and more each year.

Many people forget that when Magic who got a slight taste to play for Del, said that he had to go, West failed to fire Del for the mere fact he didn't want to because Magic said it was needed. Well all it took was 12 games into the next season for Magic's point to be proven. Let's not make like everything West did was gold. He made mistakes too. Phil was needed and Jerry weather he wanted to or not had to hire him because his boss told him to.

Some times these ex players from the hey days that battled each other still harbor some resentment from those battles. Phil was a Knick, Jerry a Laker. Hell Jack Kent Cooke hired Bill Sharman an ex Celtic to become the Lakers Coach then later GM because he wanted a winning man to run his team.

People have gotten a lot of history twisted with the Lakers, when people say Jerry West built the Show Time Lakers....to a degree it's wrong.

Sharman engineered the trade for Kareem, set up the the drafting of Magic from a past deal with the Jazz, traded for Jammal Wilkes. You get my drift, that man put much of the major pieces in place well before he stepped down to hand it off to Jerry. But do we ever here Jerry giving Sharman credit for it ?

I guess what I'm saying is I like Jerry but he wasn't perfect either, bottom line Phil got the job done that his previous two friends( Dunleavy & Harris) couldn't do.
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Post#5 » by monk302 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:38 pm

Say what you want about Jackson as a coach but his treatment of West was CRAP. For all West did for the team he should still have some type of job with the organization. Things are going to get worse with Jim Buss in charge. Who will be the voice of reason for the team?
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Post#6 » by monk302 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:42 pm

Jamaal Wilkes signed with us as a free agent. Not traded to Lakers.
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Post#7 » by Slava » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:13 pm

Makes you wonder how awkward the situation might have been when Kobe demanded to have West in the front office in 2007 for all parties involved.
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Post#8 » by ALL HAIL » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:57 pm

Yeah, even as a huge fan of Jerry West, I'd be the first to give you a laundry list of his mistakes.

However, even with all his mistakes, he is still the best ever in my opinion. He may not have acquired Kareem or Magic (the centerpieces of the 80s dynasty), but he damn sure improved upon them (the gutsy Nixon for Scott trade, drafting Worthy over Dominique Wilkins and Terry Cummings, acquiring Mychal Thompson in the middle of a championship run, drafting AC Green, etc).

As someone else stated, Phil Jackson's attitude toward Jerry West is embarrasing. It just goes to show you how large his ego is. Phil Jackson probably knew that West wasn't the biggest supproter of him coming aboard and acted pissy as a result.

The Lakers really need Jerry West's counsel. The man is a genius (albeit a flawed one at times).

His most impressive feat, to me, was in constructing "The Lake Show". To go from the 80s dynasty, to one losing season, to a talented up and coming team is miraculous in my opinion. Plus he had all those guys (Lynch, Ceballos, Van Exel, Christie, Jones, Peeler, etc.) signed to fantastic multi-year, cheap, affordable contracts.
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Post#9 » by crazyeights » Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:05 pm

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Post#10 » by Sedale Threatt » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:16 pm

Have nothing but love and respect for Jerry West, but one thing to keep in mind is that he's about as thin-skinned and tempermental as they get. He had a running feud with Jack Kent Cooke when he played, then had a falling out with Buss, so it's not like there isn't a track record there.

So even if Phil was a little cool and arrogant with him -- which would hardly suprised me -- I have to assume a lot of Jerry's percention is just that -- his perception.

As for him telling West to get out of the locker room, I have no problem with that. Jackson was hired to coach the team, and there has to be some sanctity with that. Otherwise, you get too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak. Especially with somebody who commands the type of authority and respect Jerry did/does.
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Re: Jerry West on Phil, Buss & Lakers in his autobiography 

Post#11 » by Kilroy » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:21 pm

Phil Jackson was absolutely the right choice for this team at the time.
Prior to that, Shaq/Kobe looked mediocre... They both became much better players as a result of PJ's tenure. They actually started to believe they were the champs.

But PJ has a huge ego... So does Jerry West... So does Dr. Buss...

It's not surprising at all that there was some friction there. The problem is, Phil had the most leverage having the team of highly paid superstars on his side.

So West had to suck it up... And so did Dr. Buss...

So it seems pretty natural in retrospect that West would be the first one out.

Now that PJ is gone, Buss went to the other end of the spectrom with Brown who seems to have a pretty thick skin and not that powerfull an ego... Time will tell.

On the surface, it seems very dysfunctional, but all things considered, it was handled pretty well.

It's a shame someone like Jerry West has some bad feelings about his time here, but as fans, I think we made out pretty well.
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Post#12 » by DEEP3CL » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:18 am

monk302 wrote:Jamaal Wilkes signed with us as a free agent. Not traded to Lakers.

True we did trade for him, but in those days you had to give up compensation to the Warriors for it. Which was a future 1st round pick that turned out to be Purvis Short plus 250K cash.
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Post#13 » by chefy » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:03 pm

”So one of the problems I had with Phil was this,” West writes. “His office was right near mine and when he would arrive in the morning, he would walk right past and never even bother to wave or duck his head in to say hello.


seriously?

looks like the logo is a sensitive guy



"west was troubled by Jackson's relationship with Jeanie Buss."


this stuff is not even west's business :roll: .
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Re: Jerry West on Phil, Buss & Lakers in his autobiography 

Post#14 » by hourockman » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:29 am

ALL HAIL wrote:
His most impressive feat, to me, was in constructing "The Lake Show". To go from the 80s dynasty, to one losing season, to a talented up and coming team is miraculous in my opinion. Plus he had all those guys (Lynch, Ceballos, Van Exel, Christie, Jones, Peeler, etc.) signed to fantastic multi-year, cheap, affordable contracts.


Got Threatt for 3 second round picks. Threatt was nothing more than a name in the crowd before he got the starting spot (via tragedy) in LA.

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