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What are your player expectations of the 2011/2012 lakers? The main guys are:

Kobe
Gasol
LO
Bynum
Artest
Blake
Barnes

Kobe's last 25ppg season imo
Gasol typical 18ppg 10-11 rpg
Bynum plays at least 70 games and is 14-15 ppg and 10+ rpg.. hopefully makes all star team
Odom 12/8
Artest - I just hope he shoots a decent percantage from 3.. like 37+%

That Nicka wrote:Kobe's last 25ppg season imo
Gasol typical 18ppg 10-11 rpg
Bynum plays at least 70 games and is 14-15 ppg and 10+ rpg.. hopefully makes all star team
Odom 12/8
Artest - I just hope he shoots a decent percantage from 3.. like 37+%

Nice. Bynum is out the first 5 games I think. So as long as he stays heathly for the other games we are good.

Is Bynum out for 5 or 8 games? I cannot recall correctly.

Otherwise we know what we get from Kobe/LO and Pau, I don't much want to see these guys having to exert themselves too much during the regular season.

The issue is what will we get from Artest/Blake and whoever else fills our bench.

Kobe 23-25+ 5 6

Pau 18 10

Bynum 17 12 2.5.. if he stays healthy and gets more looks he's going to be a beast this season (if we have 1) lol

Odom 13 8-9

Metta World Peace? lol just play defense and knock down that 3 at a 40 percent clip and it's all good

Kobe can drop 25ppg for the next 3 years .. if he needs to

Bynum ... I expect to see him in a Magic or Hornets uniform

AI-in-LA wrote:
Bynum ... I expect to see him in a Magic or Hornets uniform

C'mon let's stay in reality here, no way in hell Orlando is trading for Drew. Plus the deal would involve us having to include LO in any such deal to just make it work. Dwight isn't the magic elixir for a run a titles here. It's other issues plaguing this team....other positions also need to be seriously addressed looking towards the future.

Stop wishing for something that has no realistic chance at happening. And even if such deal did happen by some wild imagination, it'll be because both teams panicked for some unknown reason. Orlando is likely to panic before us....Dwight is the one who can bell out. The only reason they'd do a deal is to not lose him for nothing.

As far as New Orleans, please they don't even have the assets for Drew and please don't bring up weak ass Emeka Okafor. I've saw his name flung across this board far too often. Drew uses his ass like a rag doll in every matchup they play. At one time guys had an argument about it, but that was before Drew discovered he could dominate on defense if he applied his mind to it. That was done this past spring and his evidence of play left no doubt what could be done on a nightly basis.

And don't bring up trading for CP3, any smart basketball fan who knows the game,knows you don't ever trade big for small period.

I expect a slight improvement in production for Kobe in the new system and probably more minutes(Brown doesn't have the balls to sit kobe 5 or 6 minutes a night in the 4th quarter like Phil used to)

Lamar and Pau I think will regress a little and Bynum will improve.I think(hope) this is the year when he stays healthy and starts putting all things together(O and D,at first he was a beast on O and didn't really concentrate that much on D/rebounding,last year after the AS break he was a beast on D but had a lesser role on O...this is the year he'll be terrific at both aspects and at the same time hopefully)and he'll be our best big

The role-players I hope they play good D and hit their 3's...we really need that
I see a new role for Ebanks,more minutes for sure and if we don't get a backup SG I think Goudelock can blossom in that role....IMO his worse case scenario is a House/Neal type player(around 40% from deep) and in the best case a Korver/Morrow player(who can shoot the lights out from deep and keep the opposing D's honest,thus offering more space for the bigs to do their thing and less double teams in general)

AI-in-LA wrote:Kobe can drop 25ppg for the next 3 years .. if he needs to

Bynum ... I expect to see him in a Magic or Hornets uniform

I'm starting 2 see you just put sh*t in the toilet, stir it, & whatever it spells out thats what you go with

Anklebreaker702 wrote:

AI-in-LA wrote:Kobe can drop 25ppg for the next 3 years .. if he needs to

Bynum ... I expect to see him in a Magic or Hornets uniform

I'm starting 2 see you just put sh*t in the toilet, stir it, & whatever it spells out thats what you go with

You just now noticed this? It was like this everyday after the Lakers got bounced from the playoffs.

DEEP3CL wrote:Stop wishing for something that has no realistic chance at happening. And even if such deal did happen by some wild imagination, it'll be because both teams panicked for some unknown reason. Orlando is likely to panic before us....Dwight is the one who can bell out. The only reason they'd do a deal is to not lose him for nothing.

Hahahaha ... I like how you try to ridicule me and say there's no way this can happen ... and then in the very next sentence say it could happen ... way to cover your bases there buddy

I agree with you though that this is not a highly probable trade, and that it will require Dwight to play hardball with the Magic ... however I don't think it would be the Magic "panicking" if they trade Dwight, it would be the Magic being "realistic and smart", as they have very little chance of signing him to an extension. That whole drama is setting up as Shaq part deux.

Honestly it would not surpirse me at all if goofus Otis does NOT amnesty Arenas or Hedo, re-signs J-Rich to a silly deal, and then hides in his closet with his fingers crossed hoping Dwight stays ... then, after another first round playoff exit Dwight bolts and signs with the Knicks or Nets and Orlando is stuck with the worst financial lineup in the league!

As far as New Orleans, please they don't even have the assets for Drew and please don't bring up weak ass Emeka Okafor. I've saw his name flung across this board far too often. Drew uses his ass like a rag doll in every matchup they play. At one time guys had an argument about it, but that was before Drew discovered he could dominate on defense if he applied his mind to it. That was done this past spring and his evidence of play left no doubt what could be done on a nightly basis.

Um ... CP3, Emeka and Ariza would be who we would not trade for as there is no way Drew is getting swapped for any C in this league as Dwight wouldn't a fair trade to the Magic and any other C wouldn't be a fair trade to us ... multiple pieces would have to be involved when talking about Drew.

And don't bring up trading for CP3, any smart basketball fan who knows the game,knows you don't ever trade big for small period.

Nonsense! I would trade Drew, Odom, Barnes and our 4 young pups for CP3, Okafor and Ariza all day long! I would also swap Drew straight up for CP3 all day long and if you wouldn't your nuts.

In fact, you are being sort of hypocritical and idiotic without even knowing it as it was a big for little trade that built the Lakers most recent dynasty ... ever heard of the Divac for Kobe trade?
It's common knowledge that it's not wise to swap an equal big for an equal little. For example one should not swap Dwight for CP3, or Blake Griffin for John Wall or Duncan for Nash, etc. However when the small is considerably better than the big, it can become a no-brainer.

The Divac for Kobe trade was much, much riskier than a Dwight for CP3 swap. You're talking about trading the 7'1", 240lb, 27 year old, best passing C in the league who is just reaching his prime and has averaged 14.4 points, 9.9 rebounds, 3.8 asts, 1.8 blocks and shot 51% from the field over the previous three years for a high school shooting guard with a monster ego who 12 other teams passed on drafting .... that is WAY MORE RISKY AND CRAZY than trading a young stud, constantly injured C who most consider a top 10 C in the league for the premier PG in the league who is just about to enter his prime.

Sorry dude but if you disagree with that you are not worth talking to on this subject, would have paired Vlade with Shaq and let Kobe stay a Hornet and would still be staring at your fingers with no rings on them as a GM.

AI-in-LA wrote:The Divac for Kobe trade was much, much riskier than a Dwight for CP3 swap. You're talking about trading the 7'1", 240lb, 27 year old, best passing C in the league who is just reaching his prime and has averaged 14.4 points, 9.9 rebounds, 3.8 asts, 1.8 blocks and shot 51% from the field over the previous three years for a high school shooting guard with a monster ego who 12 other teams passed on drafting .... that is WAY MORE RISKY AND CRAZY than trading a young stud, constantly injured C who most consider a top 10 C in the league for the premier PG in the league who is just about to enter his prime.

It's a lot less crazy when you're going to sign Shaq.

AI-inLA, it's you the one that's not worth having this debate with. Bringing up the Vlade-Kobe scenario is irrelevant in so many ways it's not even funny. Jerry West had conceded that by the time that deal was going to be pursued, that the Lakers had run their course with Vlade. He admitted we couldn't win big time with his as we hadn't done so anyway. To validate my point, Vlade's only Finals appearance was in '91 with a veteran laden team led by Magic.

Stop using Vlade's numbers to justify it. You have to think big as a GM some time, Jerry knew this and saw that Kobe had "POTENTIAL"...it was the only reason he did the deal. Plus to soften that blow Doc Buss told West to "do what ever it takes to get Shaq". In hindsight West knew Kobe would develop into a prime time player. The real risk and only one was getting Shaq here period.We weren't winning ANYTHING with Vlade period case close.

As far as trading CP3 for Drew because he's better is still not a move you make unless you're working to bring in Dwight. You get it now ?

I'm not saying this team is above not trading for Drew, but in business you have to be shrewd and calculating. This is how the Shaq/Kobe team was built, the basis for it was much more daunting because West for one had to convince Charlotte to trade for Vlade. But it was common sense since they had just lot Alonzo Morning to the Heat, they still felt they were pretty good and Vlade could replace Zo to a degree.

Trading for CP, Trev and Okafor wouldn't guarantee any title either. Mainly because Okafor is undersized and outside of decent defense doesn't do anything else well. Scouts have said just as much about him in recent years, saying his game HASN'T improved one bit since college......that's alarming if you ask me.

I get the whole " well Bynum is always injured" bit, but I'm not doing a trade for any guard unless I'm getting back a center to his equal. And weather guys here like it or not his only physical equal at center is Dwight period. Not an undersized 6'9" guy that they claim is 6'10" with limited offensive skills, and don't run to the defense card because his defensive numbers aren't that much more better than Bynum's.

No it's your fingers that would be empty, you simply don't have the basketball acumen to even think of a decent deal that correlates to another. You live on "Dream Street", because you and others here seem to think landing a CP3 for Drew is the magic fix. The reality of it is this, in today's NBA you won't ever see what Jerry did 16 years ago. He had the luxury of using free agency/draft day trade scenario to built a contender. The situation happened at the perfect time.

The last time a team traded a big for a bunch of smalls, it leveled that team to just being a team that's was good but wouldn't ever be great again. They had a few good years when the NBA had way less constricting measures to work with as far as finances, but they NEVER landed another star player again. You might have heard of that team and seen the man.....

Ask the Milwaukee Bucks and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar how that ended ?

[quote="iamworthy"]What are your player expectations of the 2011/2012 lakers? The main guys are:

Kobe- 25ppg, another step slower, but as hungry as ever
Gasol- most improved player on the team. 2009 form.
LO- 2011 was his best season as a laker. 2012 will probably be his worst. imbalanced year for him.
Bynum- healthy, double-double lock, 1st allstar season.
Artest- no improvement or lack thereof whatsoever.
Blake- will see more minutes under mike brown. his stats should rise.
Barnes- the new enforcer, the new x-factor, the new money ball. the new lamar odom. if he plays well, that means the whole team is playing well.

...and for those talking trades about bynum/cp3/dwight/okafaor/ariza/ and what not....go make another thread and stay on topic.

iki4life wrote:...and for those talking trades about bynum/cp3/dwight/okafaor/ariza/ and what not....go make another thread and stay on topic.

Well when one brings up a trade scenario, that opens that up for debate also. Because quite frankly it's not in reality that such deals will happen anyway.

As far as expectations, it's kinda obvious what they are. Staying healthy and winning a title period. Guessing what numbers would be is fruitless.

i expect pau to comeback strong...same with the rest

gaahhh im so bored man...i feel like its been ages already since dallas won the championship, prolly cause it wasnt the lakers that won ahaha

the lakers are bringing it this season...we can all bank on that.

btw, i believe in mike brown!

iamworthy wrote:What are your player expectations of the 2011/2012 lakers? The main guys are:

Kobe
Gasol
LO
Bynum
Artest
Blake
Barnes

Kobe

He will lead us again. Kobe will not start a serious demise for at least 2-3 more seasons. He will be top 5 in scoring again & hopefully can trust his other players more & be a silent assassin on some nights.

Gasol

Pau will bounce back. With the way Brown likes to use bigs Pau won't have as much pressure on him if he and Drew can develop a nice high low game between the two. I expect him to be an All Star.

LO

This is a total wait an see. With LO just sitting around he could revert back to Mr inconsistency.

Bynum

I'm expecting a lot. This is the year Drew has to stay healthy & show his worth whether that means he will be here or not. I expect him to be the Starting All Star center. Loved his off season workouts.

Artest

I expect him to be the defensive anchor again. Anything above that is gravy.

Blake

Hopefully he has his confidence come back. Without the triangle he should get it back.

Barnes

Expect him to fully recover, help anchor the defense & continue to be nasty & tenacious on "D" Love barnes' game. Also I think his 3 point shot will be on point.

Bryant: 25/5/7
Gasol: 18/10/3
Bynum: 17/12/2
Odom: 13/8/5
Artest: 10/5/3
Barnes: 10/2/2
Mitch: sign T.J. Ford