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Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:18 pm
by dockingsched
http://lakers.ocregister.com/2011/10/31 ... obe/62163/

- So I’m on edge because I don’t have I don’t have a new deal, and Kobe is on edge because he might be going to jail, so we’re taking it out on each other. Just before the start of the ’03-’04 season the coach staff called us in and said, “No more public sparring or you’ll get fined.” … Phil was tired of it. Karl Malone and Gary Payton were sick of it. … So what happens? Immediately after that Kobe runs right out to Jim Gray and does this interview where he lets me have it. He said I was fat and out of shape. He said I was milking my toe injury for more time off, and the injury wasn’t even that serious. (Yeah, right. It only ended my damn career.) He said I was “lobbying for a contract extension when we have two Hall of Famers playing pretty much for free.” I’m sitting there watching this interview and I’m gonna explode. Hours earlier we had just promised our coach we’d stop. It was a truce broken. I let the guys know, “I’m going to kill him.”


Nothing really too new.

- Kobe stands up and goes face-to-face with me and says, “You always said you’re my big brother, you’d do anything for me, and then this Colorado thing happens and you never even called me.” I did call him. … So here we are now, and we find out he really was hurt that we didn’t stand behind him. That was something new. I didn’t think he gave a rat’s ass about us either way. “Well, I thought you’d publicly support me, at least,” Kobe said. “You’re supposed to be my friend.” Brian Shaw chimed in with “Kobe, why would you think that? Shaq had all these parties and you never showed up for any of them. We invited you to dinner on the road and you didn’t come. Shaq invited you to his wedding and you weren’t there. Then you got married and didn’t invite any of us. And now you are in the middle of this problem, this sensitive situation, and now you want all of us to step up for you. We don’t even know you.” … Everyone was starting to calm down when I told Kobe, “If you ever say anything like what you said to Jim Gray ever again, I will kill you.” Kobe shrugged and said, “Whatever.” [...] From that day on, I was done dealing with Kobe. I was done dealing with Jim Gray, too. What goes around, comes around. When he got fired, he actually had the nerve to call me and ask me to help him out. What, did you lose Kobe’s number?


Brian Shaw part is quite interesting.

- He was so young and so immature in some ways, but I can tell you this: everything Kobe is doing now, he told me all the way back then he was going to do it. We were sitting on the bus once and he told me, “I’m going to be the number one scorer for the Lakers, I’m going to win five or six championships, and I’m going to be the best player in the game.” I was like, “Okay, whatever.” Then he looked me right in the eye and said, “I’m going to be the Will Smith of the NBA.”


:lol:

- My first Lakers season we had a couple of rookies, and we hazed them pretty badly. We were dogging them out constantly. It was “Go get my bags, go get me something to eat.” It was kind of a rite of passage in the NBA that a lot of teams do, but we probably went a little too far with it. One of the rookies—Derek Fisher—just took it. The other rookie—Kobe Bryant—ratted us out to Jerry West.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:24 pm
by dockingsched
and not about kobe, but about what ended his time in miami:

My ticket out of Miami was punched in mid-February 2008. There was a lot of tension between Pat and the players. So we're about to start practice and Jason Williams comes in about ten seconds late. Pat being Pat, he starts swearing at him and screaming, "Get the hell out of here!"...

I tell Pat we're a team and we need to stick together, not throw guys out of the gym. Pat is screaming at me and says if I don't like it, then I should get the hell out of practice, too.

That's when I said, "Why don't you make me?"

I start taking a couple of steps towards Pat. Udonis Haslem steps in and I shove him out of the way. Then Zo tries to grab me. I threw him aside like he was a rag doll. Now it's me and Riley face-to-face, jaw to jaw. I'm poking him in the chest and he keeps slapping my finger away and it's getting nasty. Noisy, too. He's yelling "**** you!" and I'm yelling back, "No, **** you!"

Zo is trying to calm us both down and he has this kind of singsong panic in his voice. He keeps saying, "Big fella, no big fella, big fella!" I finally turn around and tell him, "Don't worry, I'm not going to hit the man. Do you think I'm crazy?"

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:35 pm
by TyCobb
dockingsched wrote:
-“I’m going to be the Will Smith of the NBA.”


:lol:


That is hilarious.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:46 pm
by Kilroy
Shaq: Kobe's a Rat....
(Goes on to Rat out just about everyone he played with)...

How can anyone with as big a mouth as Shaq, call anyone a tattle-tale? I guess it only applies to people that say anything about him...

Hell, Phil's the biggest "Rat" of all of them... It was part of his technique...

I still can't see Zo as a rag-doll... Even from Shaq...

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:58 pm
by kblo247
Didn't have a deal? Bull ****. He was just entering the first year of a 3 year, 80+M extension when he screamed at Buss to pay him

Other things missing include:
- Malone calling Shaq out for not being in shape like he promised
- Fisher actually being invited and attending the wedding, the only one on the team actually
- Throwing Horry under the bus after the 03 playoffs and Fisher for not slowing Parker
- The fact Nash and Amare wanted him gone in PHX
- Getting Mike Brown fired after having him lose the locker room
- The war with Penny, Horace, and Hill
- How does my ass taste ~ I got one more than Shaq
- The years of shots he took at Kobe calling him out
- Forcing Eddie, Nick, and Elden out the door and blocking a Kidd deal
- Retiring a **** Celtic

Rookie duties story is interesting but Kobe has already told Ceballos he would fight him if he disrespected him in front of people like they did the other rookies. He wasn't going to end up Luke Walton and made to sing in a **** thong for Shaq's amusement

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:00 pm
by The_Trade_Seer
Hahahaha, great quotes ... I think I'll buy this book ... Shaq will always be one of the MEEs (Most Entertaining Ever) to ever play the game of basketball, that's for sure.

I do believe Shaq really was the MDE and that he played in Wilts day he could have averaged 60/25/10 a game ... seriously.

He was never officiated fairly either ... however all of that said ... gimme Kobe first, Shaq second :-)

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:03 pm
by BEazy
I have a feeling Sir Charles and Shaq are going to have a great time hating on the Lakers on TNT. But in the end we'll shut both of them up like always.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 1:24 am
by heretic
I wonder who wrote Shaq's book for him.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 1:42 am
by Jetset
Jackie MacMullan.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 2:36 am
by Anklebreaker702
Kilroy wrote:Shaq: Kobe's a Rat....
(Goes on to Rat out just about everyone he played with)...

How can anyone with as big a mouth as Shaq, call anyone a tattle-tale? I guess it only applies to people that say anything about him...

Hell, Phil's the biggest "Rat" of all of them... It was part of his technique...

I still can't see Zo as a rag-doll... Even from Shaq...

Ummmm Shaw said the same thing

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 2:37 am
by Anklebreaker702
I really don't care about Shaq anymore because he's not a Laker, but some of that stuff about Kobe still shows in his personality.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:10 pm
by Kilroy
Anklebreaker702 wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Shaq: Kobe's a Rat....
(Goes on to Rat out just about everyone he played with)...

How can anyone with as big a mouth as Shaq, call anyone a tattle-tale? I guess it only applies to people that say anything about him...

Hell, Phil's the biggest "Rat" of all of them... It was part of his technique...

I still can't see Zo as a rag-doll... Even from Shaq...

Ummmm Shaw said the same thing


Which thing? If you're referring to the Kobe snitching thing... I don't doubt there's some truth to it.

I'm referring to the fact that people seem to get all fired up about Kobe being a "Snitch" but we hear this Shaq... So what does that make him?
We even heard that Shaw said this, not from Shaw himself, but from Shaq as well.

My point is, the whole 'Snitching' thing is stupid, and grownups should know better. 5th graders call each other snitches...

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:13 pm
by dub81
It's a autobiography..

If he did not put the stuff with Kobe in it the book is not going to sell.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:40 pm
by Kilroy
dub81 wrote:It's a autobiography..

If he did not put the stuff with Kobe in it the book is not going to sell.


So he's getting paid to snitch? Isn't that the worst of all snitches? :roll:

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:41 pm
by Slava
Shaq has fallen off pretty badly and I was glad he was enjoying a carefree retirement.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 8:14 pm
by crazy8ights
got more scoop below :o well not really scoop just some good quotes here.

How Shaquille O'Neal Demolished a Lakers Dynasty (Inside Stories)

The 1999-00 season was not without confrontation, O'Neal in one team meeting said, "I have something to say. I think Kobe is playing too selfishly for us to win." According to Jackson, "Kobe didn't have a selfish agenda; he just felt that the way he had been playing was the best way he could contribute. Gradually, he's seen there is a different way to contribute that incorporates more of the team." The coaches would also tell the team they did not see the selfishness in Bryant that the players saw. Tex Winter even put together a video for O'Neal to show that Bryant was playing his role correctly.


Upon arriving to the Lakers that season, Tex Winter said he was stunned to discover the level of hatred O'Neal expressed toward Bryant. "There was a lot of hatred in [O'Neal's] heart ... Kobe just took it and kept going." O'Neal regularly expressed to management that he did not believe the team could win a championship with Bryant. Winter observed that O'Neal influenced the entire team against Bryant. Winter thought that Bryant made it a point to get the ball to O'Neal that year, but O'Neal did not appreciate what Bryant was doing to help him. During that seasons All-Star warm-ups, O'Neal mimicked Bryant's crossover dribble but threw the ball into the stands to accentuate Bryant's turnovers.


In 2001, O'Neal came into training camp out of shape, which disappointed Jackson and also Bryant. Bryant was leading the league in scoring as 2001 began, and Jackson said Bryant was playing the best ball of his career. O'Neal was shooting below 50 percent during stretches, and his free throw shooting was in the 20 percent range. O'Neal requested a trade after a blowout win against the Phoenix Suns where Bryant scored 38 and O'Neal scored 18. Jackson commented that their actions were "juvenile" and they should appreciate each other and play as a team. Bryant would be criticized for forcing his offense and not involving his teammates enough. According to Bryant, the team's defense was the issue and not his increased role in the offense. Bryant said that "scoring shouldn't affect (O'Neal's) defense," while O'Neal maintained that "if the big dog ain't me, then the house won't get guarded – period." Due to O'Neal's sensitivity toward criticism, Jackson overlooked O'Neal's shortcomings while maintaining his criticism of Bryant. Jerry West told O'Neal that he also had personal rivalries when he played with all-time greats Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor, but O'Neal needed to "stop being a baby ... put the team's success first."


Magic Johnson later noticed a change in O'Neal: "Shaq is saying 'It's me. I'm the one who has to get into shape, I'm the one who has to be ready for the second half run. I'm the one who has to close the middle down like I did last year..." Fisher returned on March 13, upgrading the team's defense. The Lakers won their last eight games to finish the regular season with 56 wins. O'Neal averaged 33.7 points over the final 11 games. Bryant, upon returning from an injury, was willing to build off of O'Neal now that the center was in shape and playing defense. Bryant would play unselfishly in the playoffs. O'Neal referred to Bryant as "[his] idol" and "the best player in the league, by far" following a victory in Game 1 of that year's Western Conference Finals. The Lakers won the championship after a record-setting 15 wins and only one loss. After the lone loss, which was in the opening game of the NBA Finals against the Philadelphia 76ers, Jackson criticized O'Neal for his lack of defense. Before the following game, Lakers coach Phil Jackson growled at O'Neal, "Don't be afraid to block a shot!" after O'Neal failed to block a shot in Game 1.


The 2002–03 NBA season began with the three-time defending champions getting off to one of their worst starts ever. The team was several games under .500 at 11–19 with their return to the playoffs questionable. O'Neal was sidelined with a toe injury and could have had surgery on his toe early in the summer (which would have allowed him to return to playing sooner), but he decided to wait and have the surgery performed not long before the Lakers' pre-season training camp began. He said, "I got hurt on company time, so I’ll rehab on company time." During the season, Jackson had ordered Bryant to be more aggressive, Bryant then had a nine-game streak where he scored at least 40 points and a 13-game streak where he scored 35 or better and the Lakers ended that season with the 5th seed in the Western Conference.


Just prior to the start of the 2003–04 season, Bryant privately warned Jackson, "If (O'Neal) starts saying (unreasonable) things in the press, I'll fire back ... I've had it." With Bryant absent from camp due to his legal situation and his recovery from knee surgery, O'Neal said "the full team is here." Later, after sitting out an exhibition game to rest a sore left heel, O'Neal said, "I want to be right [in the regular season] for Derek [Fisher], Karl and Gary." Bryant was again ignored by O'Neal.


When Bryant joined the Lakers in camp, O'Neal told reporters Bryant should look to be more of a passer than a scorer until Bryant's knee was fully healed. Bryant responded that he knew how to play the guard position, and O'Neal should worry about the low post. O'Neal added that he would voice his opinions as he saw fit because the Lakers were his team. He said that if Bryant, who would be a free agent at the season's end, didn't like what O'Neal had to say, Bryant should just opt out, O'Neal said "I ain't going nowhere." Jackson told the team to not discuss the issue further with reporters.


In a subsequent interview with Jim Gray of ESPN, Bryant questioned O'Neal's claims of team leadership. Bryant claimed that O'Neal came into training camp "fat and out of shape", that O'Neal blamed others for the team's defeats, and that O'Neal previously exaggerated the degree to which injuries had affected his game as a cover for simply being out of condition. Bryant criticized O'Neal's public lobbying for a contract extension when "we have two future Hall of Famers (Malone and Payton) playing here pretty much for free". He also criticized O'Neal for only taking responsibility when the team won. He accused O'Neal of threatening not to put forth his best effort if he was not passed the ball more often.


The Lakers also suspended talks with O'Neal, who wanted an extension with a pay raise on his remaining three years for $30 million. The Lakers had hoped O'Neal would take less money due to his age, physical conditioning, and games missed due to injuries. During a preseason game, O'Neal had yelled at Lakers owner Jerry Buss, "Pay me." Tex Winter said, "Even though Shaq was a big presence, he was not a great shot blocker. And he didn't like to play the screen and roll, so he put his teammates in jeopardy. He didn't like to help [on defense]."


In March, after Bryant received internal criticism about his shot selection, he scored just one point while taking three shots in the first half against Orlando which the Lakers trailed by 11. He scored 37 in the second half and tied a team record with 24 in the fourth quarter as the Lakers won in overtime. Jackson urged Bryant to be more aggressive offensively. The Lakers ultimately entered the playoffs as the second seed, thanks to an overtime victory versus the Portland Trail Blazers on the final night of the season, courtesy of a pair of buzzer beaters from Bryant.


Eventually Jackson, a favorite of O'Neal, was not offered a new contract by the Lakers. Many sports analysts and spectators assumed that this was because of Bryant, who had at times voiced displeasure with Jackson's offensive scheme. However, Tex Winter said Jackson announced at the All-Star break that he would not want to return to the Lakers if Bryant returned. Buss also longed for the Lakers to return to the fast break offense of Showtime. After learning of Jackson's departure, O'Neal demanded to be traded. He made it clear that he felt the Laker organization was making moves designed primarily to placate Bryant, saying "The direction they’re going ... I don’t want to be a part of this."


Regardless, newspapers the next day criticized Bryant for his alleged manipulation of the team. O'Neal added, "When it came to my leaving, [Kobe] could have spoken up. He could have said something. He didn't say anything." Tex Winter said, "[O'Neal] left because he couldn't get what he wanted—a huge pay raise. There was no way ownership could give him what he wanted. Shaq's demands held the franchise hostage, and the way he went about it didn't please the owner too much."


In 2007, O'Neal said that Bryant should have won the NBA Most Valuable Player Award, which was awarded to Dirk Nowitzki. During the offseason, Bryant was "beyond furious" at reports from a Laker insider that Bryant had insisted O'Neal be traded from the Lakers. Bryant reported that Buss said, "I am not going to re-sign Shaq. I am not about to pay him $30 million a year or $80 million over three years ... His body is breaking down, and I don't want to pay that money to him when I can get value for him right now rather than wait ... It doesn't matter to me what you do in free agency because I do not want to pay [Shaq], period."


O'Neal agreed with Bryant: "There's no doubt in my mind Kobe is telling the truth. I believe him a thousand percent ... I would have respected Dr. Buss more as a man if he would have told me that himself, because I know he said it."


In 2008, O'Neal reiterated his belief that Bryant deserved the MVP award. During the offseason, O'Neal mentioned Bryant multiple times in the rap, saying that "Kobe couldn't do it without me", referring to Bryant and the Lakers loss in the 2008 NBA Finals to the Boston Celtics. He also was quoted saying "Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes."


Bryant and the Lakers would go to face the Orlando Magic in the 2009 NBA Finals. Shaq showed support for Kobe, on his Twitter page saying: “thats right i am saying it today and today only, i want kobe bryant to get number 4, spread da word.”


Bill Simmons of ESPN speculated that O'Neal wanted to tie Bryant with five titles and that still "Shaq hates Kobe and Kobe hates Shaq." O'Neal said he didn't "compete with little guys who run around dominating the ball, throwing up 30 shots a night – like D-Wade, Kobe."


After his retirement, O'Neal was hired by Turner Sports as an NBA analyst. When asked whether it would be difficult for him to criticize Bryant, he answered "I have the ability and the backing to give fair criticism. The only time I have trouble with people giving criticism is when they haven't walked that walk. I've walked many walks in my 19-year career, so I think any criticism that I give should be fair."


Sources:
Sports Illustrated
ESPN
The Los Angeles Times
The New York Times
The Show: The Inside Story of the Spectacular Los Angeles Lakers, by Roland Lazenby

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Tue Nov 1, 2011 10:37 pm
by LApwnd
In Shaq's pea brain, he's always in the right and everybody else is wrong.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Wed Nov 2, 2011 12:50 am
by DEEP3CL
You know this might be great for the younger guys of this board...the ones that were too young to really remember how it was going down. But to me this is like not getting over the ex girl friend syndrome, you got a new girl and life but you still look at pictures and talk about the old girl friend to anybody that'll listen. It's been what 7 going on 8 years since Shaq left.....damn near a decade, I'm past all this stuff.

Frankly it's not even worth reliving again, this same stuff is in Phil's book " The Last Season". Shaq in reality is an insecure man who needs a crutch to stay relevant in life.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:21 am
by louizzle
I was just a kid during the Shaq era, so I didn't really know what was going on behind closed doors. I knew Shaq and Kobe feuded, but I didn't know it was this bad.

Still debating whether I should buy Shaq's book or not though.

Re: Shaq talks about Kobe in his new book

Posted: Wed Nov 2, 2011 1:29 pm
by crazy8ights
DEEP3CL wrote:You know this might be great for the younger guys of this board...the ones that were too young to really remember how it was going down. But to me this is like not getting over the ex girl friend syndrome, you got a new girl and life but you still look at pictures and talk about the old girl friend to anybody that'll listen. It's been what 7 going on 8 years since Shaq left.....damn near a decade, I'm past all this stuff.

Frankly it's not even worth reliving again, this same stuff is in Phil's book " The Last Season". Shaq in reality is an insecure man who needs a crutch to stay relevant in life.


def good for the younger dudes, but I feel you same old same old. Everyone know Shaq throws everyone under the bus ones he's done with them.