Random Kobe Stats
Moderators: Kilroy, Danny Darko, TyCobb
Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Random Kobe Stats
Thought you guys might want to look at this.
Some have complained that Kobe's not scoring as well as he needs to. I don't know about on this board, but much is made of his relatively mediocre scoring efficiency compared to his previous success and what-not. Hold your horses, though, this isn't an anti-Kobe thread at all.
Kobe's at 53.2% TS right now. It's not awesome. League average is 52.4%, though, so he's above that and that's at 24.1 FGA/g, obliterating the next-closest players in FGA/g.
Kobe's 3 has abandoned him, and his DrawF isn't at it's top rate BUT... his FT% has gone back to where it belongs after a few years of dipping down. He's near 85% again. Not that it's related to scoring, but his rebounding is at a level we haven't quite seen him reach since 07-08 and best of all... here's how to be a little happier about his scoring.
Kobe's about 3% above league average in FG% on shots from 3-9 feet, and he's leading his guard peers in volume at that range. He's leading his peers in volume (FGA/g) at 10-15 feet as well, and he's about 7% above league average there. He's leading the LEAGUE in shooting volume from 16-23 feet at 8.7 FGA/g, but he's about 6% above league average even there and at that volume. Fun to note, and as everyone can see, he's off-ball more than he was last year and that's helping him out a lot.
The net result?
While Kobe isn't the best scorer in the league this year and he's being forced to shoot the ball way more than is sensible, he's making Grey Goose out of mud water; he's having a hell of a shooting season and floating an offense that really isn't doing a lot to help him out as far as the shooters around him and is generally playing a season better than he has since the 08-09 run.
Enjoy!
Some have complained that Kobe's not scoring as well as he needs to. I don't know about on this board, but much is made of his relatively mediocre scoring efficiency compared to his previous success and what-not. Hold your horses, though, this isn't an anti-Kobe thread at all.
Kobe's at 53.2% TS right now. It's not awesome. League average is 52.4%, though, so he's above that and that's at 24.1 FGA/g, obliterating the next-closest players in FGA/g.
Kobe's 3 has abandoned him, and his DrawF isn't at it's top rate BUT... his FT% has gone back to where it belongs after a few years of dipping down. He's near 85% again. Not that it's related to scoring, but his rebounding is at a level we haven't quite seen him reach since 07-08 and best of all... here's how to be a little happier about his scoring.
Kobe's about 3% above league average in FG% on shots from 3-9 feet, and he's leading his guard peers in volume at that range. He's leading his peers in volume (FGA/g) at 10-15 feet as well, and he's about 7% above league average there. He's leading the LEAGUE in shooting volume from 16-23 feet at 8.7 FGA/g, but he's about 6% above league average even there and at that volume. Fun to note, and as everyone can see, he's off-ball more than he was last year and that's helping him out a lot.
The net result?
While Kobe isn't the best scorer in the league this year and he's being forced to shoot the ball way more than is sensible, he's making Grey Goose out of mud water; he's having a hell of a shooting season and floating an offense that really isn't doing a lot to help him out as far as the shooters around him and is generally playing a season better than he has since the 08-09 run.
Enjoy!
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
17 24 16 wrote:Nice, any uplifting hidden Fisher numbers?
The number of years he has before his body makes it impossible to play professional basketball is closer to 1 than 5.
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,440
- And1: 5,165
- Joined: Jul 12, 2010
Re: Random Kobe Stats
Ironically, he was far more efficient from mid-range when his wrist was messed up (though changes in the offensive system may have something to do with that). Since it's healed, he's become a serviceable 3 point shooter.
Hopefully the recent slump is due to adjusting his shot again, and not due to dead legs.
Hopefully the recent slump is due to adjusting his shot again, and not due to dead legs.
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
Atmanne wrote:Ironically, he was far more efficient from mid-range when his wrist was messed up (though changes in the offensive system may have something to do with that). Since it's healed, he's become a serviceable 3 point shooter.
He's been shooting the 3 competently for 6 games. Over the previous 22, he shot 28.04%. At the volume he's taking them, that's a bit of a problem. However, his game under the arc has been damned fine, all considered, and the system is getting him a lot more open looks than usual, which has been really nice. Kobe's looking really good, he just needs better spacing to open up the interior for the bigs. And maybe 1 or 2 more guys who can throw a freaking post entry pass (to him, Bynum OR Gasol).
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
I really want to see what Kobe will do if/when the Lakers either a) stop sucking so hard from downtown around him or b) force that to happen through a trade.
The way he's balling right now with no spacing is pretty remarkable.
The way he's balling right now with no spacing is pretty remarkable.
Re: Random Kobe Stats
- Gek
- RealGM
- Posts: 38,024
- And1: 1,807
- Joined: Aug 12, 2004
- Contact:
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
tsherkin wrote:17 24 16 wrote:Nice, any uplifting hidden Fisher numbers?
The number of years he has before his body makes it impossible to play professional basketball is closer to 1 than 5.

Solid post tsherkin. At least puts me in a decent mood before the next game!
#teamhermes
go pens - pirates - steelers - lakers
go pens - pirates - steelers - lakers
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
Lakers have been good to me, man; they were the first team I ever watched. My earliest bball memories are of Magic owning the world. 
Least I can do is put up a positive thread now and again.

Least I can do is put up a positive thread now and again.

Re: Random Kobe Stats
- snaquille oatmeal
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 16,819
- And1: 4,827
- Joined: Nov 15, 2005
- Location: San Diego
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
is there a way to weed out the bail out shots and the unnecessary "no chance in hell they will go in, but somebody has to take and will inspire endless threads in the GB shots" just because he is not concern that his % shooting will go down? 

Forum permissions
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot trade for basketball reasons in this forum
You cannot but I can...five rings!
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot trade for basketball reasons in this forum
You cannot but I can...five rings!
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
snaquille oatmeal wrote:is there a way to weed out the bail out shots and the unnecessary "no chance in hell they will go in, but somebody has to take and will inspire endless threads in the GB shots" just because he is not concern that his % shooting will go down?
Not without more work than I'm willing to do, given the volume of shots he takes, lol. 82games will undoubtedly have a clutch shooting percentage stat up eventually.
I can tell you that he shoots 47.1% eFG on shots in the last 10 seconds of the shot clock, compared to 53.8 with 11-15, 49.2 on 16-20 and 34.9 on 21+. 44.1 on their "crunch" definition. He's also shooting 31.8% eFG in their "clutch" time frame, which means "4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left,
neither team ahead by more than 5 points" (and it's bad because he's taking over 37 FGA48 in those situations).
For point of comparison, his seasonal average is 47.1% eFG and league average is 48.3%. So later in the clock he's doing alright, he's murdering it in the middle of the clock when the set offense gets going (so NUTS TO ALL OF YOU MIKE BROWN HATERS*) and way early in the clock he's typically taking and missing poorly-chosen shots.
Too early in the shot-clock, and you're getting those heat checks. Later in the shot clock, you can see the mix of set plays and broken play stuff where he's shooting well enough.
* -> eats a bunch of crow himself because he didn't believe in Brown's ability to coach offense
Re: Random Kobe Stats
- snaquille oatmeal
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 16,819
- And1: 4,827
- Joined: Nov 15, 2005
- Location: San Diego
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
I wasn't talking about clutch shots, I was talking about those where the offense fails and gives Kobe the ball with less than 5 seconds left on the shot clock throughout the game under impossible situations and those long end of the quarter shots that stat padders avoid. but yeah it would take a lot of work to weed those out.
Forum permissions
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot trade for basketball reasons in this forum
You cannot but I can...five rings!
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot trade for basketball reasons in this forum
You cannot but I can...five rings!
Re: Random Kobe Stats
- Wavy Q
- RealGM
- Posts: 24,317
- And1: 2,390
- Joined: Jul 10, 2010
- Location: Pull Up
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
All i gathered from this is how depressing it is to watch shooters not be able to hit shots, ever.
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
snaquille oatmeal wrote:I wasn't talking about clutch shots, I was talking about those where the offense fails and gives Kobe the ball with less than 5 seconds left on the shot clock throughout the game under impossible situations and those long end of the quarter shots that stat padders avoid. but yeah it would take a lot of work to weed those out.
I realize; I was just saying that's all I can give you without going through every possession he's had this season. Which I am unwilling to do, lol.
Primarily, you can look at Kobe in the shot-clock under 10 seconds to realize that he's still scoring pretty well in those compressed-time situations. The stuff that's killing him aren't those shots, not the ones you're referencing; they are the dumb-ass threes he loves to take as heat checks in the first 3 seconds of the shot clock. THOSE are suppressing his percentages more than what's happening at the end of the clock or in broken play situations.
Those are kind of part and parcel of a scorer's mentality, though, and they represent a smaller percentage of his attempts than anything else.
Re: Random Kobe Stats
- Doormatt
- RealGM
- Posts: 17,438
- And1: 2,013
- Joined: Mar 07, 2011
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
good stuff tsherk. i too think kobe is having his best seasons since probably 09. if he didnt feel like he was a Steve Nash/Ray Allen hybrid out there shooting 3s his efficiency i imagine would be much better. im finding what kobe is able to do currently pretty impressive considering the lakers are the worst 3pt shooting team in the league with literally nobody else able to create plays off the dribble other than him. i really do think a competent PG would do wonders for this team, Kobe off the ball has looked pretty good this year, its just nobody can get it to him when he doesnt have the ball.
#doorgek
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
Honestly, all they need are perimeter players who, and here's a twist, HIT THEIR FREAKING WIDE OPEN JUMPERS!


Re: Random Kobe Stats
- Gek
- RealGM
- Posts: 38,024
- And1: 1,807
- Joined: Aug 12, 2004
- Contact:
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
So you're telling me that if we sign 3pt shooters that can actually make 3pt shots we'd improve as a team? Damn... someone get this guy a direct line to Mitch!
#teamhermes
go pens - pirates - steelers - lakers
go pens - pirates - steelers - lakers
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
Gek wrote:So you're telling me that if we sign 3pt shooters that can actually make 3pt shots we'd improve as a team? Damn... someone get this guy a direct line to Mitch!
Listen, I know I'm still young and I don't have the resume of some of the other guys, but I will take a pay cut in order to help the team out because I just bleed purple and gold...

Re: Random Kobe Stats
- Wavy Q
- RealGM
- Posts: 24,317
- And1: 2,390
- Joined: Jul 10, 2010
- Location: Pull Up
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
Tsherk for Lakers starting PG!
Re: Random Kobe Stats
- Father Time
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,305
- And1: 467
- Joined: Dec 12, 2009
- Location: Portland, OR
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
Kobe seems to be in his annual shooting slump right now. Any chance his ppg drops to 25?
In his last 9 games he's only managed to shoot higher than 40% three times.
In his last 9 games he's only managed to shoot higher than 40% three times.
"There's nothing else I can do for them. I can give them some bulls---, and act like I'm a coach or something, but it's on them." - Popovich
Secret secrets are no fun. Secret secrets hurt someone.
Secret secrets are no fun. Secret secrets hurt someone.
Re: Random Kobe Stats
-
- Forum Mod - Raptors
- Posts: 92,222
- And1: 31,803
- Joined: Oct 14, 2003
-
Re: Random Kobe Stats
Stephano wrote:Tsherk for Lakers starting PG!
Bet I'd hit more open 3s than Fisher... o.O
Wouldn't be much worse on D, either. *cymbal crash*