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LO trade was the right move (wants back to LA)p 5
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:21 am
by dockingsched
I've been meaning to create this thread and I figured this is a good time since we still don't know what the TPE that was created can bring back.
Here's what Mitch said to defend the trade at the time:
Lamar was sent to Dallas because he requested to be traded," said Kupchak, who referenced Odom's frustration with being involved in the blocked Paul trade. "In this case, he couldn't get over the fact that something like that could took place. I was hoping that things would change in a day or two but his representative called me on Saturday and said that's not going to change."
The Lakers moved surprisingly quickly to trade Odom. Kobe Bryant made a trade demand in May 2007. He's still here.
"I wouldn't lump Kobe and Lamar into the same category when talking about those same two situations," Kupchak said. "Yeah, we could have said, 'Lamar, we're not going to trade you,' and waited to see what was going to happen in the next week or two, but we chose not to do that.
"The window to make a deal in this environment where you really can get back flexibility, it goes away in the snap of the fingers. So to have waited two or three weeks would have just prolonged an environment with Lamar when he's not at practice and would have sucked energy away from the team. We might not have had a better opportunity."
Here's what LO has done this season after the vetoed Cp3 trade:
7.7 ppg, 35.7 fg%, 4.5 rpg, 25.9 3p%, 9.8 PER
he's basically having a career low in every single statistical category and its not even close in most cases. it appears that he just has not even able to get over the failed trade and it really appears that mitch and the FO did the right thing regardless of what they are able to do with the TPE and DAL 1st.
LO was lost as soon as that trade went public and it was a great decision to move him asap.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:28 am
by Anklebreaker702
I agree. LO is fragile mentally. Like you said once the trade went public he was lost. Not just to the Lakers but to basketball for at least this whole season.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:28 am
by AlexBarrera1
It's gonna come down to what we get with that TPE though.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:30 am
by Jetset
Lamar's going through some tough times. Didn't his chauffeur run over someone or something like that? Then getting traded from the team he loved, and now his father's ill.
I think we did the best thing based on the fact that he's the one who requested a trade. Pau sucked it up and is playing, he could've done the same.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:33 am
by Wavy Q
Trading him was the right move but i still feel we could have gotten more value for him than a TPE.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:34 am
by dockingsched
AlexBarrera1 wrote:It's gonna come down to what we get with that TPE though.
i disagree. if the lakers would have kept him, dumping his contract and getting a 1st out of it would be a pipe dream. beasley? sessions? calderon? felton? all these guys wouldn't even be options cause no one would want to take on LO's 9mil salary. lakers would have no assets outside of their own 1st and would not even be any better the way LO has been playing.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:36 am
by Anklebreaker702
Stephano wrote:Trading him was the right move but i still feel we could have gotten more value for him than a TPE.
How? Remember Lamar took a pay cut so the money has to match.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:42 am
by tugs
he can't get over the fact that the team he loves playing for traded him. should have come in shape LO.
add the fact that Mavs fans were really high on this deal since they are getting the reigning SMOY and he can't deliver and live up to the expectations.
great move by the FO but I fell bad for LO.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:42 am
by Danny Darko
but if we had LO could we have had him go to the Magic with Bynum and kept Pau? I guess it's possible the pick and trade exception are as valuable or more than LO in trade bait, but assuming he played more like himself with us (I think he would have), I think it's possible Orlando would have gone for a package with him over a package with the money and pick.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:47 am
by tugs
Pau and D12.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:55 am
by dockingsched
Danny Darko wrote:but if we had LO could we have had him go to the Magic with Bynum and kept Pau? I guess it's possible the pick and trade exception are as valuable or more than LO in trade bait, but assuming he played more like himself with us (I think he would have), I think it's possible Orlando would have gone for a package with him over a package with the money and pick.
i don't think there's any evidence to support that idea unfortunately.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:01 am
by DEEP3CL
People kill me with this "got more than the TPE".....stay in reality and realize the man was 31 at the time of the trade going on 32. You're not going to get a 1st rounder nor a young prospect for a dude on the down swing in his career. There is statistical proof for almost every big that has played this game showing a decline in almost every stat across the board after age 32. There is no refuting this.
The TPE was the most valuable asset coming from that trade. Do people not understand the business side of the sport or what ?
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:09 am
by yows
DEEP3CL wrote:People kill me with this "got more than the TPE".....stay in reality and realize the man was 31 at the time of the trade going on 32. You're not going to get a 1st rounder nor a young prospect for a dude on the down swing in his career. There is statistical proof for almost every big that has played this game showing a decline in almost every stat across the board after age 32. There is no refuting this.
The TPE was the most valuable asset coming from that trade. Do people not understand the business side of the sport or what ?
co-sign with what deep said. TPE gives a team greater flexibility as they dont have to pay a contract in return.
I sure would like a 6MOY LO on our current roster though..
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:05 am
by TruSkool
DEEP3CL wrote:People kill me with this "got more than the TPE".....stay in reality and realize the man was 31 at the time of the trade going on 32. You're not going to get a 1st rounder nor a young prospect for a dude on the down swing in his career. There is statistical proof for almost every big that has played this game showing a decline in almost every stat across the board after age 32. There is no refuting this.
The TPE was the most valuable asset coming from that trade. Do people not understand the business side of the sport or what ?
you can't come out saying he's on the "downside of his career" at age 30-31 when he's statistically had his best career as a laker the season before he left and won 6th man of the year award.
Lamar was one of those players that could play at a high level until his 35-36 solely based on his versatility.
Trading him away was an expected blow to this team, and it shows this season.
on the flip side, had LAL not mentioned publicly that he was going to be traded, i'm sure lamar would have a similar statistical season under mike brown. as a matter of fact, he'd probably be in the starting line up because MB did say he wanted to try out the whole 3 big men trio, which phil always hesitated to do.
my 2 cents- LAL was better with lamar, and lamar was better with LAL. he took a pay cut and a backseat for us and we kicked his butt out of here like an aging second rounder. BULLSH*T!
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:37 pm
by crimsonkb24
odom wouldn't have put up those numbers with Kobe around him.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:33 pm
by frozt
even if odom was back on the team and put up identical stats to last year, i still feel like the Lakers would be playing the same as they are now, i think the trade was ok/good.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:53 pm
by Gek
iki4life wrote:DEEP3CL wrote:People kill me with this "got more than the TPE".....stay in reality and realize the man was 31 at the time of the trade going on 32. You're not going to get a 1st rounder nor a young prospect for a dude on the down swing in his career. There is statistical proof for almost every big that has played this game showing a decline in almost every stat across the board after age 32. There is no refuting this.
The TPE was the most valuable asset coming from that trade. Do people not understand the business side of the sport or what ?
you can't come out saying he's on the "downside of his career" at age 30-31 when he's statistically had his best career as a laker the season before he left and won 6th man of the year award.
Lamar was one of those players that could play at a high level until his 35-36 solely based on his versatility.
Trading him away was an expected blow to this team, and it shows this season.
on the flip side, had LAL not mentioned publicly that he was going to be traded, i'm sure lamar would have a similar statistical season under mike brown. as a matter of fact, he'd probably be in the starting line up because MB did say he wanted to try out the whole 3 big men trio, which phil always hesitated to do.
my 2 cents- LAL was better with lamar, and lamar was better with LAL. he took a pay cut and a backseat for us and we kicked his butt out of here like an aging second rounder. BULLSH*T!
Except you don't trade a second rounder for 9 million and a first.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:06 pm
by ALL HAIL
It really doesn't matter what Odom is or isn't doing right now in Dallas ... it was still the right move.
I don't care if dude was going 20 and 10 ... it was still the right move.
Odom is a role player.
If THE SYSTEM was still in place, with Phil Jackson, you keep him around, but with ALL OF THE CHANGES swirling around this team, Odom was more of a risk to keep than to trade (even if it was only for a an exception).
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:00 am
by So Gutta
Apparently Lamar didn't show up for practice today.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1164304The trade keeps looking better and better.
Re: LO trade was the right move
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:08 am
by hye-pride
Funny how some of you guys change your tone.
You sat here and complained about how bad of a move it was.