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If the Lakers trade Gasol and package Walton or Blake along with him for Felton (expiring $7.6 million), Camby (expiring $11 million), and picks, then the Lakers would cut $23-$25 million off of next years payroll.

That would leave the roster at Kobe ($28), Bynum (TO $16.4), Fisher (PO $3.4), Artest (PO $7.2), Blake/Walton ($4/$6.1, let's use $5). That's a total of $60 million.

Now let's say Artest declines his PO and becomes a FA, or if he doesn't, then the Lakers just straight up Amnesty him.

-$7.2

New payroll at $52.8.

Now here is where things get interesting...

Do you think the Lakers would not pick up Bynum's TO if they have a shot to get Deron Williams or Dwight Howard? Out of the three, given Bynum's health risk, I'd pick either of the two other players over Bynum.

-$16.4

New payroll at $36.4 million. Kobe ($28), Fisher (PO $3.4), Blake/Walton ($5).

I've been reading that the 2012-2013 salary cap may be at or around $60 million.

$60-$36.4=$23.6 of capspace.

CLIFF NOTES: Trade Gasol and Walton/Blake for expirings, prospect, and picks. Amnesty Artest. Decline option on AB. Huge caproom.

Also, I realize that if we trade Gasol and decline AB's option we're pretty much empty down low. Howard would definitely make more sense, depending on the prospect we get back in a potential Gasol trade.

Just some food for thought..

Ty just saw you proposed a similar trade in another thread. Just wondering did you hear a rumor about something along these lines or just an idea you've considered?

Draper wrote:Ty just saw you proposed a similar trade in another thread. Just wondering did you hear a rumor about something along these lines or just an idea you've considered?

It's just an idea I've considered. Just trying to think outside the box for ways to get Williams or Howard.

Josh Mcroberts is a little over 3 mil, so you're at 20 mil cap space with kobe/fisher/walton or blake and mcroberts. you're 8 players under the minimum roster number, so for each one there is a 500k cap hold, so thats 4 mil, cutting down the cap space to 16 mil, so you can't even offer a max deal. this also assumes the lakers forfeir their 1st round picks, cause their cap holds would be slightly higher than the 500k cap hold per roster spot under the minimum.

dockingsched wrote:Josh Mcroberts is a little over 3 mil, so you're at 20 mil cap space with kobe/fisher/walton or blake and mcroberts. you're 8 players under the minimum roster number, so for each one there is a 500k cap hold, so thats 4 mil, cutting down the cap space to 16 mil, so you can't even offer a max deal. this also assumes the lakers forfeir their 1st round picks, cause their cap holds would be slightly higher than the 500k cap hold per roster spot under the minimum.

Hoopshype left McBob blank, good point with that. So that's $20.

You lost me on the why the Lakers get charged $4 million for being 8 players under the minimum roster limit in the offseason.

each team has to have 12 players, so in your scenario the lakers are short by 8 players since they'd only have 4 on the books. what happens in this scenario is that the lakers would automatically be charged for having 8 rookie minimum salaries on their books, cause they will have to eventually sign players to fill those spots. the rookie minimum salary is around 472K, i just rounded up to 500k for simplicity.

It's only a priority if the FO thinks the current roster can no longer win. And Pau's trade value had gone down after last season and they probably feel this is the best time to do it. The new CBA seems to be making a push for the Lakers to trade Gasol. But if the core can still win a ring with some tweaks on the roster, I think they will look at that option too.

dockingsched wrote:each team has to have 12 players, so in your scenario the lakers are short by 8 players since they'd only have 4 on the books. what happens in this scenario is that the lakers would automatically be charged for having 8 rookie minimum salaries on their books, cause they will have to eventually sign players to fill those spots. the rookie minimum salary is around 472K, i just rounded up to 500k for simplicity.

Okay, so Kobe at ($28), McRoberts ($3), Goudelock ($.762), Blake ($4), Fisher (PO $3.4) = ~$40 mill

$20 million for 7 players.

6 x 500k = $3 million

$17 million for 1 player?

TyCobb wrote:

dockingsched wrote:each team has to have 12 players, so in your scenario the lakers are short by 8 players since they'd only have 4 on the books. what happens in this scenario is that the lakers would automatically be charged for having 8 rookie minimum salaries on their books, cause they will have to eventually sign players to fill those spots. the rookie minimum salary is around 472K, i just rounded up to 500k for simplicity.

Okay, so Kobe at ($28), McRoberts ($3), Goudelock ($.762), Blake ($4), Fisher (PO $3.4) = ~$40 mill

$20 million for 7 players.

6 x 500k = $3 million

$17 million for 1 player?

roughly yeah, thats assuming the lakers don't have any 1st round picks, cause the cap hold for a 1st round pick in the 20-25 range is around 1 mil, no the 472K rookie minimum.

dockingsched wrote:roughly yeah, thats assuming the lakers don't have any 1st round picks, cause the cap hold for a 1st round pick in the 20-25 range is around 1 mil, no the 472K rookie minimum.

Thanks for all of the clarification, dock. Appreciate it.

What do you think the first year starting salary will be for Williams and Howard?

I'm also curious to see if Artest opts out, because if he does then the Lakers can amnesty whoever is left of Blake/Walton.

Howard's maximum first yr salary is 18.9 mil.

and i have zero confidence artest would opt out. he would never be able to recoup the money, so it would be like thinking he'd just donate 4-5 mil.

dockingsched wrote:Howard's maximum first yr salary is 18.9 mil.

and i have zero confidence artest would opt out. he would never be able to recoup the money, so it would be like thinking he'd just donate 4-5 mil.

That's interesting. If Fisher retires, we may have a shot at Howard!

kobe's salary really does prevent any serious cap space plan.

It really does. Was there something in the new CBA that allows you to restructure a previous CBA contract over more years?

TyCobb wrote:It really does. Was there something in the new CBA that allows you to restructure a previous CBA contract over more years?

there was a report on it, lots of people ran with it, but it was totally bogus.

dockingsched wrote:

TyCobb wrote:It really does. Was there something in the new CBA that allows you to restructure a previous CBA contract over more years?

there was a report on it, lots of people ran with it, but it was totally bogus.

Aw wack, so the over-36 rule wouldn't apply?

EDIT: Nvm, only FA's.

However, none of the 52.-54. can be applied to Kobe?

Good thread! Very informative.

TyCobb wrote:

dockingsched wrote:

TyCobb wrote:It really does. Was there something in the new CBA that allows you to restructure a previous CBA contract over more years?

there was a report on it, lots of people ran with it, but it was totally bogus.

Aw wack, so the over-36 rule wouldn't apply?

EDIT: Nvm, only FA's.

However, none of the 52.-54. can be applied to Kobe?

nope

Contracts cannot be renegotiated downward (players can't take a "pay cut" in order to create salary cap room for the team) or to contain fewer seasons.

Thanks Doc!

It would make more sense to trade Drew and Pau right now for D12 then to gamble with what you were saying. And no way would the Lakers would just let Andrew go just like that.