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Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:58 am
by Mamba Venom
A few days ago I sent a question to Jim Buss via ESPN chat that unfortunately was not answered. He answered so many duh questions too like "Did you know there are Laker fans in Bosnia - Go Lakers"
My Q was: Mr. Buss, could (or would) you help a player by making them develop a go-to move? I think Andrew Bynum would unstoppable if he added the Tim Duncan bank shot to his game.
I was hoping he would answer it. But do you think asking a player to focus on 1 go-to move all off-season would work? Kobe seems to do this each off-season. Would you hire a coach to get Bynum to develop this go-to move (I would). I believe it would take Bynum 500 hours of shooting the same bank shot to master it. But like Duncan or Hakeem - if Bynum had a plethora of inside moves and that close/midrange touch (when he needed it), it would lead to more Laker championships.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:28 am
by Kilroy
Tim Duncan has probably been shooting that bank shot since the 4th grade...
I think it's hard to get a player with Bynum's experience to 'develop' a move like that... Something like that almost has to be second nature for it to work as a true 'go-to' move.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:42 am
by So Gutta
Well, it probably wouldn't hurt.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:06 am
by Mamba Venom
I no that the timing is poor because of Bynum 3-gate.
Obviously Bynum is determined to take some long shots. He needs more direction. Someone needs to sit down with him and tell him to take 3s at the all-star game like Shaq and D12 do.
But if you want to shoot, let me hire Hakeem in the off-season and another shooting coach. Lets work on the shot for 6 hours a day - Monday through Friday for 4 months. And if you get the shot down - you can't neglect your inside game, not only will I give you the max deal you want, you can shoot 2 of those a night to start out with.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:55 am
by snaquille oatmeal
go to shots are almost impossible to develop as an adult. you can practice a shot and become good, but they are not your go to shot. go to shots develop as a kid. of course there are exemptions, but they are rare.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:18 am
by Luxury
False, go-to moves aren't developed as a kid. Go-to moves are developed by practicing the same rhythm, the same form, the same shot over and over again aka muscle memory. As the body ages and decreases in athletic ability, new go-to moves are learned to compensate the loss of athleticism.
Look over the years at Kobe and MJ, their games evolved and developed new moves.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:39 am
by doozyj
Bynum has a go to move, it's his 3pt shot. Brown just doesn't want him going to it.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:17 pm
by snaquille oatmeal
Luxury wrote:False, go-to moves aren't developed as a kid. Go-to moves are developed by practicing the same rhythm, the same form, the same shot over and over again aka muscle memory. As the body ages and decreases in athletic ability, new go-to moves are learned to compensate the loss of athleticism.
Look over the years at Kobe and MJ, their games evolved and developed new moves.
i agree that they have a lot to do with muscle memory, but to me a go to move is one that is so natural to you that you don't even think about setting it up you just go to it. that is not to be confused with a move that you learn by practice and become really good at it. btw when i said there were exceptions i meant kobe and mj. and even with those two learning new moves there was always one move that was the most natural for them, that's their ultimate go to move.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:06 pm
by Sofa King
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:45 pm
by miggs
Sofa King wrote:
As a kid I used to practice the skyhook everyday, it was no secret in the playgrounds either. I was kickin' everyone's ass and easily managed to get shots over the after school coaches who worked there. I was in 5th grade and already knew the most powerful shot out there was the skyhook. It is incredibly dominant. If only I wasn't 5'7 and more like 6'10+ I'd be a legit superstar center AND be on here posting in the CT thread!
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:48 pm
by miggs
Kilroy wrote:Tim Duncan has probably been shooting that bank shot since the 4th grade...
I think it's hard to get a player with Bynum's experience to 'develop' a move like that... Something like that almost has to be second nature for it to work as a true 'go-to' move.
I remember briefly seeing a story of Duncan's path to the NBA. Dude was training to be an Olympic swimmer, that's all he did. Then a hurricane came and knocked out the pool. He said all that was left was a basketball court so that's when he started playing basketball. He was 16-17 at the time.

I may be wrong but I vaguely remember that story. I couldn't believe he started playing so late in life.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:03 am
by PurpleGold
^ I remember hearing that as well. Shows how much hard work can do for you.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:04 am
by PurpleGold
But perhaps Timmy meant he did not start playing ORGANIZED basketball until high school.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:29 am
by Gek
miggs wrote:Sofa King wrote:
As a kid I used to practice the skyhook everyday, it was no secret in the playgrounds either. I was kickin' everyone's ass and easily managed to get shots over the after school coaches who worked there. I was in 5th grade and already knew the most powerful shot out there was the skyhook. It is incredibly dominant. If only I wasn't 5'7 and more like 6'10+ I'd be a legit superstar center AND be on here posting in the CT thread!
You're still a superstar to me, champ.

Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:49 pm
by JaVier Mastro
Kilroy wrote:Tim Duncan has probably been shooting that bank shot since the 4th grade...
I think it's hard to get a player with Bynum's experience to 'develop' a move like that... Something like that almost has to be second nature for it to work as a true 'go-to' move.
Wrong Duncan started playing ball when he was like 17 years old, now if Duncan was seventeen in the 4th grade he wouldn't and couldn't have the basketball IQ he has today.
Re: Making a player to develop: Buss - Bynum
Posted: Sun Apr 1, 2012 4:02 am
by Anklebreaker702
Luxury wrote:False, go-to moves aren't developed as a kid. Go-to moves are developed by practicing the same rhythm, the same form, the same shot over and over again aka muscle memory. As the body ages and decreases in athletic ability, new go-to moves are learned to compensate the loss of athleticism.
Look over the years at Kobe and MJ, their games evolved and developed new moves.
This