Should the lakers still try to pursue rondo?

Levity · Post #1 » by **Levity** » Fri May 11, 2012 6:22 pm

if both the lakers and celtics get eliminated this season earlier than they expected, should the lakers and celtics still try to do a trade revovling around gasol/rondo. ie: gasol/sess for rondo/bass or whatever it takes to work properly.
watching our bigs play this last series, its painfully obvious some sort of change needs to be made. as much as bynum has been pouting and playing with a lack of effort, i dont think we should put him on the trading block. 2 play offs in a row gasol as been underachieving to put it nicely. even though he still can make an impact and put up nice numbers, i think its time we try something else. so depending on how the celtics do in the 2nd round, they may still want to look at aquiring something for rondo.
truthfully, besides our bigs, the lakers dont have much to offer anyone. thats why i think sessions would have to be included in the deal.
kobes always been intrigued by rondo. and if we are able to get a point guard he can run a half court offense and a transtion one, i think the lakers will be in great great shape.

any other moves youd rather see the lakers make this summer, or are you guys content with what we have at this point. and no, this is not an overreaction to last nights game. its a reaction to the lakers not reaching their potential with this line up time and time again

RatherUnique · Post #2 » by **RatherUnique** » Fri May 11, 2012 8:00 pm

Their biggest issue is floor spacing.

So, absolutely not.

Levity · Post #3 » by **Levity** » Fri May 11, 2012 8:40 pm

floor spacing is an issue for the lakers, but that can be solved in the off season with free agent signings. beasely, if timberwolves decide not to sign him. jr smith, though hes an inconsistant chucker. both of those players didnt have the impact people thought they would this season, but ive always felt if you pair a player like that with to current kobe, they become a hell of a lot more efficient. im not really sure those players would be offered next season and how much the lakers are able to spend, but they would solve our spacing issues.

Post #4 » by **semi-sentient** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:03 pm

RatherUnique wrote:Their biggest issue is floor spacing.

So, absolutely not.

This.

Not only can he not shoot, but the Celtics have been one of the worst offensive teams in the league this year, and the two years before that they were average at best. That team doesn't exactly lack offensive firepower either. So no, I'd rather just stay away from Rondo and bring in a PG who actually makes our offense better.

Levity · Post #5 » by **Levity** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:14 pm

semi-sentient wrote:
RatherUnique wrote:Their biggest issue is floor spacing.

So, absolutely not.

This.

Not only can he not shoot, but the Celtics have been one of the worst offensive teams in the league this year, and the two years before that they were average at best. That team doesn't exactly lack offensive firepower either. So no, I'd rather just stay away from Rondo and bring in a PG who actually makes our offense better.

ye, i wont deny the fact that rondo cant shoot. though, i do feel it is more of a mental block rather than just a complete lack of a shot. what i feel he really shines at is his defense and getting the ball where it needs to be. hes great at creating and executing a play for an open man. something no one besides kobe does on the lakers. do you think sessions is the right pg for our offense then. or do you feel the lakers should continue to shop around this offseason. my main gripe with sessions has been his d. its by far greater than fishers, but we still get toasted by the upper echelon of point guards in the league. which is fine in the regular season i guess, but in the play offs, it really hurts. there are a handful of available pointguards this off season that i think would do exceptionally well for the lake show. and maybe sessions can run with the 2nd unit. who knows....

Post #6 » by **milesfides** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:14 pm

We don't have the cap space to sign Jr Smith, we've got only the tax paying exception. But yeah, he's a nutcase chucker, so I'm not excited about him, especially since he basically shot the Knicks out of a chance the last game.

But if you get Rondo, you need to get terrific shooters at the forward positions to free up Bynum, and I think that would be a really tough challenge, logistically, being over the luxury tax.

If you really want to build around Bynum, the Lakers need to trade Pau for guys like Ryan Anderson, Matt Bonner, Steve Novak, Ersanity, Iguodala, Batum, Jared Dudley, etc.

Not sure if you want to do that, but if you want to keep Bynum, that's what's going to help him, not so much Rondo (who gets tons of assists in drive and kick situations, rather than dump the ball into the post).

Rondo is just not a great shooter, so I doubt his pairing with a back2basket center is ideal.

Speedlot · Post #7 » by **Speedlot** » Sat May 12, 2012 12:11 am

We need a good shooter that can play really good defense.

Post #8 » by **crazyeights** » Sat May 12, 2012 2:12 am

(Re: shooters) Albeit I haven't seen him play this year, but what about Ray Allen? Sounds like he's on the outs with the Celtics after they tried trading him at the TD.

Stebo_SSK · Post #9 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Sat May 12, 2012 5:16 am

These awful trade scenarios from my fellow Laker fans are getting old fast. Think about what you are saying. Why on earth would Boston trade a 26 yr old PG to get Pau Gasol? Really ponder on that for a second. Rondo is making 10 mil a year right now, Gasol is about to make 19 mil next year. They would better off just resigning KG for 8-10 mil than trading for Gasol. Another thing, Sessions is about to be a UFA. So he cant be involved in any trade plans unless its a S&T but that would require to WANT to go to Boston.

TruSkool · Post #10 » by **TruSkool** » Sat May 12, 2012 5:28 pm

as far as rondo not being able to shoot, the fact that he's just so damn good at everything else makes me want to consider this deal.
3-4 months ago i would have never done a gasol/rondo swap, but its becoming more and more of a consideration if gasol keeps playing like the way he has been the last 2 seasons.

chyau.00 · Post #11 » by **chyau.00** » Sat May 12, 2012 6:33 pm

no to boston players. come on, why is this even a question??

MelosSoreWrist · Post #12 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Sat May 12, 2012 11:20 pm

I doubt the lakers can pull off a trade centered around Pau for Rondo. Age and salary tips this trade completely one way.

Mamba Venom · Post #13 » by **Mamba Venom** » Sun May 13, 2012 10:12 am

Boston should rebuild around Rondo if they lose.

Kupchak9 · Post #14 » by **Kupchak9** » Mon May 14, 2012 7:01 am

If both teams were eliminated id do something like Allen and Garnett on two year deals for Pau. Allen can still shoot, and Garnett is the antithesis of Pau which is precisely what we need.

Kupchak9 · Post #15 » by **Kupchak9** » Mon May 14, 2012 7:03 am

Final lineup

Bynum/Hill
Garnett/Odom
Peace/Barnes
Kobe/Allen
Sessions/Blake

Stebo_SSK · Post #16 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:01 pm

So instead of looking to get younger and groom players for the future, you would rather live in the past and take on dinosaurs to win a ring? Do the thread and favor and stop making NBA2k moves. Odom cant become a Laker until mid december. No way the Lakers wait a month into the season to sign an important player on the roster. If Odom is serious about bball, he will get with a team and go through training camp not hold on an hope LA picks him up.

Post #17 » by **dockingsched** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:49 pm

MelosSoreWrist wrote:I doubt the lakers can pull off a trade centered around Pau for Rondo. Age and salary tips this trade completely one way.

i agree with this.

Kupchak9 · Post #18 » by **Kupchak9** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:24 pm

Stebo_SSK wrote:So instead of looking to get younger and groom players for the future, you would rather live in the past and take on dinosaurs to win a ring? Do the thread and favor and stop making NBA2k moves. Odom cant become a Laker until mid december. No way the Lakers wait a month into the season to sign an important player on the roster. If Odom is serious about bball, he will get with a team and go through training camp not hold on an hope LA picks him up.

Define young players and what exactly can you get for Pau at this point with his inconsistency and inflated contract. The lakers have enough step back fadeaway shooters as it is. Create an "Offers for Pau Gasol" thread and see the nonsense that you will receive.

Stebo_SSK · Post #19 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Tue May 15, 2012 12:42 pm

Im not in that circle of people that feels that Pau NEEDS to go. The Lakers main issue is that they cant spread the floor when they want to post up. Maybe trading him for Bargnani? Bargnani is not the defender Pau is but he is a more potent offensive player that can spread the floor. This finally gives way to Andrew Bynum to man the post. Could work out for the future.

flowflow99 · Post #20 » by **flowflow99** » Tue May 15, 2012 3:00 pm

Stebo_SSK wrote:Im not in that circle of people that feels that Pau NEEDS to go. The Lakers main issue is that they cant spread the floor when they want to post up. Maybe trading him for Bargnani? Bargnani is not the defender Pau is but he is a more potent offensive player that can spread the floor. This finally gives way to Andrew Bynum to man the post. Could work out for the future.

I don't think Pau needs to go either. I also think the main reason the floor isn't spread is because we have no legitimate 3 point threat beside Kobe. If we traded someone, it should be a 1, 2, or 3 who can't shoot for a 3 point specialist. Not a jump shooting 4 for another jump shooting 4.

Far as Rondo, under Brown's system Rondo's talents would be wasted. Any guard whose game is penetration off the pnr - Rondo, Lin, etc, would be wasted in a system where they're expected to just bring the ball down, pass to the post, and wait. The way Brown runs the offense, it doesn't matter how good the pg is. Sessions talents are being wasted right now because he's expected to play like Fisher.