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LOL Lakers getting Sterned again! 

Post#1 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:27 pm

The NBA is not allowing players traded before the 11-12 season to sign with their old teams for one whole year.

Players formerly had to wait one month before rejoining teams that traded them, which created a loophole for teams to re-sign buyouts.

The one-year rule will not be bent to allow for the lockout-shortened season.

Lamar Odom, for example, would have to miss six weeks of the season if he wanted to join the Lakers in December.


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Post#2 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:31 pm

I wonder what the rule is for a verbal agreement to sign in the future is.
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Post#3 » by KingLakers » Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:42 pm

The Lakers aren't getting "Sterned" that's a rule written into the new CBA. And come on guys its time to move on from Lamar I dont need a guy on the Lakers that's a total emotional basket case like Lamar.
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Post#4 » by Jetset » Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:43 pm

This has been known for quite a while. It's the reason people point to whenever they want to make a case for Odom not re-signing here.
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Re: LOL Lakers getting Sterned again! 

Post#5 » by hermes » Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:54 pm

thank goodness, we don't want odom anyway
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Post#6 » by ennui » Thu Jun 7, 2012 7:03 pm

This was already implemented into the CBA prior to us trading LO. I believe it was put into place in direct response to the 2010 Cavs trading Ilgauskas and resigning him a month later.
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Post#7 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu Jun 7, 2012 7:14 pm

KingLakers wrote:The Lakers aren't getting "Sterned" that's a rule written into the new CBA. And come on guys its time to move on from Lamar I dont need a guy on the Lakers that's a total emotional basket case like Lamar.

here is the thing, one year rule sure I have no problem with that. however, because of labor rules not because of old or new CBA rules the trading season started in dec. the season this year starts in late Oct. so the question is by basketball CBA rules should the year be from preseason to preseason or because of a labor dispute go from Dec to Dec?

It is public knowledge that LO wants to stay in LA and the Lakers may take a chance if LO can be had for candy bars. so here is where Stern is butting in again. of course it's all grey area conflict of interest stuff just like the original trade and Stern switching hats from NBA Comish to Owners rep.
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Re: LOL Lakers getting Sterned again! 

Post#8 » by Kilroy » Thu Jun 7, 2012 7:27 pm

I think one of the Commish's official titles is actually 'Owners Rep'... At least as far as disputes with the union are concerned.

But I see your point and I agree... Although I just can't bring myself to view this as targeting the Lakers/LO...
I'm frankly not convinced we have that much interest in LO at any price.

If I can still make myself give a crap about the NBA by then, it will be interesting to see what happens when the next CBA is signed.
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Re: LOL Lakers getting Sterned again! 

Post#9 » by Jetset » Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:36 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
KingLakers wrote:The Lakers aren't getting "Sterned" that's a rule written into the new CBA. And come on guys its time to move on from Lamar I dont need a guy on the Lakers that's a total emotional basket case like Lamar.

here is the thing, one year rule sure I have no problem with that. however, because of labor rules not because of old or new CBA rules the trading season started in dec. the season this year starts in late Oct. so the question is by basketball CBA rules should the year be from preseason to preseason or because of a labor dispute go from Dec to Dec?

It is public knowledge that LO wants to stay in LA and the Lakers may take a chance if LO can be had for candy bars. so here is where Stern is butting in again. of course it's all grey area conflict of interest stuff just like the original trade and Stern switching hats from NBA Comish to Owners rep.


It will be in December because he was traded in December. The CBA wasn't ratified in October and a new year of the NBA wasn't established in October, so the guidelines in this particular situation that you're talking about don't matter. How it will be looked at is, the season started in October and we decided to trade Odom about a month and a half into the season in a trade with Dallas.

And considering this was in the CBA that was ratified before the Lakers made the trade, the Lakers aren't getting "Sterned" again. Stern has nothing to do with it. And it was totally worth it in my humble opinion. Not the Odom trade to Dallas but the CP3 trade, which inevitably lead to Odom being dealt to Dallas.
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Post#10 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu Jun 7, 2012 9:16 pm

I understand that is how it will be looked at, but that is the grey area that gives Stern a legal way to weasel his way out of it. He could just say well because it was a labor dispute we will make an exemption this year and let it be from preseason to preseason, but he won't.
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Post#11 » by Jetset » Thu Jun 7, 2012 9:20 pm

Like I said, I don't see what Stern has to do with this. It's not as if the CBA interrupted a potential Odom trade, the trade was made after the CBA was ratified. There's nothing that can be done about that.
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Post#12 » by NOODLESTYLE » Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:24 pm

If Odom really wants to return as a Laker. He can wait, he's already been waiting.
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Post#13 » by Gek » Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:42 pm

destro wrote:Like I said, I don't see what Stern has to do with this. It's not as if the CBA interrupted a potential Odom trade, the trade was made after the CBA was ratified. There's nothing that can be done about that.


The lockout 100% interrupted Lamar's trade. That being said, I understand that it's a rule and we'll have to follow it. The 1 year rule is stupid though and should be remainder of the season instead.
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Post#14 » by AnaheimRoyale » Fri Jun 8, 2012 12:34 am

destro wrote:This has been known for quite a while. It's the reason people point to whenever they want to make a case for Odom not re-signing here.
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Post#15 » by dockingsched » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:03 am

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destro wrote:Like I said, I don't see what Stern has to do with this. It's not as if the CBA interrupted a potential Odom trade, the trade was made after the CBA was ratified. There's nothing that can be done about that.


The lockout 100% interrupted Lamar's trade. That being said, I understand that it's a rule and we'll have to follow it. The 1 year rule is stupid though and should be remainder of the season instead.


i think the rule is fine. if LO had an expiring contract and was headed to free agency, he'd be eligible to sign with the lakers.

unfortunately he's not a free agent and has a contract for next season, and i think its fair that the original team have to wait 1 yr if he ever gets waived.

i think it would have been nice to have the rule bent for this one yr since i believe the intent of the rule is that the player be away for at least one season if under contract, but oh well.
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Post#16 » by LaLa » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:23 am

hmmm maybe theres another way to get back LO?

Mavs Activate Lamar Talk; Lakers Deal Do-Able
By David Lord & Mike Fisher
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Posted Jun 7, 2012

Conventional wisdom says the Mavs can't trade Lamar Odom back to the Lakers in expedient fashion. But we've discovered a loophole. Involved is negotiating with Odom for a revised deadline date - and sources tell DB.com that the Mavs have initiated talks to do just that. Here's the inside story of what's up - and what can happen as the Mavs work to turn Odom into a perfect-fit trade asset:

What will happen with Lamar Odom? The Dallas Mavericks don't want him back. He loves LA and Lakers coach Mike Brown has recently expressed interest in having him back. Yet it seems rules are in the way right now to make it easy for the Mavs to move him, or for him to play for the Lakers.

But DallasBasketball.com has exclusively learned that the possibilities and his destination may change significantly, and that the cogs are in motion so that the change may come soon.

On Wednesday the LA Times' Mike Bresnahan and Mark Medina wrote the following:

As for Odom, the NBA is standing firm on the relatively new rule that players cannot return to their old teams for a full year after being traded, a change made in the new collective-bargaining agreement last December.

Players formerly had to wait one month before rejoining teams that traded them, sometimes negotiating quick buyouts from their new team to go back to their old one, a scheme the NBA thwarted by creating the revision in December.

(Odom) was traded to Dallas on Dec. 11 for a first-round pick that the Lakers subsequently sent to Houston in the Derek Fisher trade.

Odom would have to miss about six weeks of the season if he waited to join the Lakers in December, an unlikely event according to a person familiar with the situation.

The Lakers could offer Odom the $3-million mini mid-level exception next season or $1.4 million, the veteran's minimum for a player with his experience.

All of that is true at the moment -- as Bresnahan and Medina noted, Odom (as a multi-year contract player) can't be waived by Dallas and signed by LA until December. But ....

Dallasbasketball.com has learned that the Mavs are working on taking a significant step that would allow Odom's return to the Lakers this summer, opening up multiple avenues.

A highly-placed league insider tells us the Mavs are already pursuing a revision to Odom's contract that would move his deadline to buy out his last year at $2.4 million from June 29, 2012 to some time in July, a contractual change that is permitted by the league with mutual agreement from both player and team.

That would make a major difference in Odom's future possibilities, especially as it pertains to the Lakers.

The primary difference that revision permits is to open up a trade of Odom from Dallas to LA, which is not only his simplest route to the Lakers, but in many ways is the best choice for all parties involved. That option is currently blocked by the rule that disallows a player to be traded back to the same team in the same NBA season (which ends June 30), and the Mavs would not want to keep him past the June 29 deadline and take the chance of being committed to his $8.2 million salary for next season.


Would Dallas and LA shy away from helping each other? Probably not. At the moment their path to the top isn't blocked by each other, but by OKC and SA, and all they are worried about is helping their own cause in finding a way to pass the Thunder and the Spurs.

Is there a reason for Odom and agent Schwartz to turn down Dallas’ proposal? We don’t think so. One, Jeff Schwartz (who also reps Deron Williams and Jason Kidd) has a solid relationship with the Mavs. And two, Odom might want to explore free agency if he thinks he can make more than his $8.2 million. But the market (and his performance in Dallas) wouldn’t seem to merit such a raise. Remember, too: Even if the Lakers consider him worth more than $8.2 mil, all they have available is the aforementioned $3 million mini-MLE.

This trick is the way for Odom to get his team and his money.

For Dallas, that change opens the door to an eager taker for a player they no longer want. They wouldn't have to pay his $2.4 million buyout fee or bribe some other team to do so, because there would be no buyout. And by moving the time frame to July, a trade to LA could become part of the salary-matching for the Mavs in a three-way deal. (Think of Marion coming to Dallas for Stackhouse's similar contract, or Chandler to Dallas for Dampier.)

July 1 begins a very active free agency environment. For Dallas that time focuses on Deron Williams. But the transformation of Odom's contract into an asset (in another form, as just an expiring, we’ve termed it, “LOAF’’) suddenly ranks high in importance, too.

For the Lakers, they would get Odom for a full season including training camp, giving him plenty of time to learn the new system under Mike Brown, a coach he's never played for. In addition, it would allow LA the ability to preserve their MLE for a different addition.

And for Odom, he gets to the team he wants, and he plays there for $8.2 million rather than $3 million or less.

Everybody wins.

There are other ways this deadline revision could help Odom get to the Lakers. But even if LA doesn't trade for him, a revision makes it much easier for the Mavs to trade him, with his large almost-vanishing contract becoming a huge trade-matching tool. Even if he gets traded to another team besides LA and then waived, the one-year rule would no longer prevent him from going to the Lakers, as the restriction from returning after a trade-and-waiver would then be applied to Dallas rather than LA.

Odom seemingly has to wait until December if he wants to go to the Lakers, and has to play there for peanuts? The Mavs have Odom as a liability rather than an asset? The Lakers can't get Odom until December and have to use their MLE to do so? Those may have been true yesterday, but the Mavs are already working to erase all of those and change the summer landscape significantly for everyone.

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Re: LOL Lakers getting Sterned again! 

Post#17 » by Jetset » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:27 am

Umm, yeah. You're going to need to shorten that Great Wall of China of a post into a few key sentences or paragraphs.
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Post#18 » by LaLa » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:33 am

lol yeah, just bolded the important parts.
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Post#19 » by Jetset » Fri Jun 8, 2012 5:01 am

Great find, thanks LaLa. Basically, Dallas is pushing his buyout deadline from June 29th to sometime whenever FA is happening in July, to either trade him to some other team or back to us. But I don't think we have anything that interests Dallas.
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Post#20 » by Jetset » Fri Jun 8, 2012 5:07 am

I'm gonna post this on the gb and **** on sonicFLAME6

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