OT: Stern on Jim Rome

[Iamabeasttt]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi2kH4U7E8A[/youtube]

incredible how unprofessional stern is. i hope some woman's rights activist group comes out and makes him apologize like how gay rights group made kobe apologize.

[NOODLESTYLE]

No...no...

[MAMBAEMD]

I thought Stern had a very poor choice for words. Totally classless comment.
I'm not a big Rome fan, but his question was a fair one because the "lottery fix" issue is on the fans' minds. And as a radio host, he should ask those types of questions.

Stern's answer, on the other hand is completely inappropriate IMO.

[dockingsched]

i like what stern said to unprofessional jim rome.

its fun for fans to joke around about it and its fine if some fans to actually take it seriously, but there is ZERO reason for someone in the media to ask stern if the lottery is actually rigged. ask him how he feels about fans thinking its rigged, but don't be foolish enough to ask him, multiple times, about actually rigging the lottery.

[MAMBAEMD]

i like what stern said to unprofessional jim rome.

its fun for fans to joke around about it and its fine if some fans to actually take it seriously, but there is ZERO reason for someone in the media to ask stern if the lottery is actually rigged. ask him how he feels about fans thinking its rigged, but don't be foolish enough to ask him, multiple times, about actually rigging the lottery.

I understand and respect what your saying but I disagree with you.
Rome is a radio talk show host. He hears from fans of the league everyday. These are by the way people who buy tickets to go to games, buy NBA merchandise, and watch on TV. They pay Sterns salary.
If the fans want to know whether the lotto was fixed or not, it is Rome's responsibility to ask.
I suspect Stern's classless reaction would have been the same even if Rome had phrased it the way you suggest.

That said, this is not about Rome, whom I don't like BTW.
This is about the reaction of a Commissioner of a major sport in the U.S. making a comment that is completely inappropriate.

[Kalidogg24]

David Stern's P.R needs to be fired immediately.

Does he have the same Public Relation manager as Lebron?

[dockingsched]

jim rome shoulda asked "how do you feel about fans thinking the lottery was fixed"

thats totally different than basically accusing the nba of fixing the lottery. he also kept asking after stern first said no it isn't rigged.


and about stern's question to rome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

A loaded question is a question which contains a controversial or unjustified assumption, e.g., a presumption of guilt.[1]

Aside from being a logical fallacy, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.[2] The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, he will admit to having a wife, and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question, and in this case an entrapment, because it narrows the respondent to a single answer, and the fallacy of many questions has been committed...

i think putting the question into context is helpful, it wasn't just some random question, its a common one used to make a point.

[Imadogg]

Yea Stern wasn't actually asking if Rome beat his wife guys, he was trying to prove a point that Rome was asking him a BS question.

Stern said no first but Rome kept pressing so he got mad.

I'm with dcash, it was a stupid way to ask the question.. what does asking that question even do for you? "Hey Stern, did you rig the lottery?" In what world will he say YES JIM FINALLY SOMEONE ASKED, YES I DID!!!

[MAMBAEMD]

Given the league's history, Rome's question, which is on a lot of fan's minds, is not totally inappropriate.
It gave Stern an opportunity to address the issue.
Rome was certainly not asking a loaded question.
It deserved a response. Not a loaded question as a response.

I suspect this defensive response did nothing to alleviate people's suspisions about the NBA.

[snaquille oatmeal]

I don't get it why is it inappropriate? dCash himself reacted like the fix was in the day of the lottery. why P-out and ask Stern what he thinks of the fans that think it was rigged. why not ask him straight out like Rome did? (btw not a fan of Rome, anybody who speaks grammatically correct annoys the hell out me). I want to hear an answer to Rome's question not what Stern thinks about what dCash thinks.



and no Stern, that was not a loaded question, a simple no would have sufficed to all of Rome's follow ups, but by answering with the loaded question the way you did you left me with the impression that you did rig it.

[dockingsched]

i didn't actually think it was fixed, was just having fun.

i think its kind of ridiculous for anyone to claim its fixed if they were aware of the process where representatives of every lottery team, select media members, and independent auditors are all present for the process.

edit: the part i think is inappropriate is that there's zero evidence to support the "conspiracy theory". just cause some fans think its true doesn't make it a legitimate topic. i compare it to those crazy delonte west lebron's mom stories. just cause some people talk about it doesn't make it appropriate to ask about.

questioning the entire legitimacy of the league should not be done so lightly by legit media members.

[Imadogg]

Cmon guys, the question makes no sense.

I agree that it's totally valid to ask about the lottery being rigged, what he thinks about people's thoughts on it, what he would have to say to people... but you can't just ask "is the lottery fixed?" How is that gonna get an answer in any way? The best answer he can possibly give to that is a simple "no". Or he can get pissed and say you live off cheap thrills because you asked that stupid question.

[snaquille oatmeal]

i didn't actually think it was fixed, was just having fun.

i think its kind of ridiculous for anyone to claim its fixed if they were aware of the process where representatives of every lottery team, select media members, and independent auditors are all present for the process.

edit: the part i think is inappropriate is that there's zero evidence to support the "conspiracy theory". just cause some fans think its true doesn't make it a legitimate topic. i compare it to those crazy delonte west lebron's mom stories. just cause some people talk about it doesn't make it appropriate to ask about.

questioning the entire legitimacy of the league should not be done so lightly by legit media members.

that's what I call censorship. oooohhh you can't ask that because you have no proof. what kind of weak a s s crap is that? there is a huge difference between asking and accusing. as much of an a s s as I think Rome is because he never uses a contraction or pauses the correct amount of nanoseconds after a comma when he speaks he did not accuse Stern of anything, he simply asked a question.

[ALL HAIL]

I have no problem with Jim Rome's question and no problem with David Stern's response.

The problem with America is that we are so conditoned into accepting politically correct questions and answers that as soon as we hear questions and answers that are politically incorrect, we immeadiately think "how dare you."

If John Rocker hates ethnic groups let him express it.

If Mel Gibson hates Jews let him express it.

If Don Imus thinks those female ball players look like "jiggaboos" let him express that as well.

What the hell is wrong with us?

If Stern was mad, let him be mad. If Stern feels the need to disrespect Rome after feeling disrespected himself, let him do it without recourse.

This is a free country (supposedly).

We should all be free to express opinions regardless of whether they are right, wrong, inflammatory, ignorant, or righteous.

Listening to some of you all, it seems as though you all would prefer lies.

Some of you all would prefer Rome to swallow his tongue and not ask what he really wants to ask.

Some of you would prefer Stern to swallow his tongue and not respond in an aggressive annoyed manner.

Rome's question was "real." A question that, however crazy you think it is, is a legitimate question for a great many of NBA fans.

Stern's response was "real." A response that, however crazy you think it is, is a legitimate response to being repeatedly badgered about something that to this point is completely unsubstantiated.

Let folks be real. Let the media ask any question they want and let authority figures respond in any manner they see fit.

Are we so brainwashed in 2012 that we prefer lies to what is real?

Their interview was refreshing and honest.

It's sad that two men being honest would draw so much controversy ... truly sad.

[milesfides]

You claim individuals have a right to express ethnic hate in the name of freedom, yet you would deny people the right to be offended at what Stern said?

Yes, Rome's question was "real", Stern's response was "real," and the fans' responses were also, "real."

The only thing unreal is a contradictory notion of freedom for one group and none for another.

And this has little to do with "freedom" or "free speech."

A reporter's job is to ask questions. Good reporters ask tough questions.
And the Commissioner of one of the largest business organizations in the world also has a job: sell his product.

Only one of them did their job in the interview.

[MAMBAEMD]

You claim individuals have a right to express ethnic hate in the name of freedom, yet you would deny people the right to be offended at what Stern said?

Yes, Rome's question was "real", Stern's response was "real," and the fans' responses were also, "real."

The only thing unreal is a contradictory notion of freedom for one group and none for another.

And this has little to do with "freedom" or "free speech."

A reporter's job is to ask questions. Good reporters ask tough questions.
And the Commissioner of one of the largest business organizations in the world also has a job: sell his product.

Only one of them did their job in the interview.

+1

[ALL HAIL]

There would be no selling of the league in that interview miles.

As soon as Rome asked the initial question there would be no opportunity to sell the NBA.

I don't care either way, and although I do think it's sad (the amount of backlash), I have no problem with people expressing their disgust.

The moment Rome asked the question, Stern had only a few options to save face. He chose the option of completely debasing the questioner.

Call it what you want, but don't fool yourself into thinking that Stern could've somehow turned that interview into something "shiny" for the league.

If I go on Fox News or CNN and call them out by asking questions about supposed left or right wing biases on their networks, the producers and broadcasters would not attempt to sell their networks in the midst of accusatory questions.

On the contrary, the first thing they would do is to debunk and defame the questioner.

That's the same thing Stern did. When Rome more or less asked Stern if he was a sham on national radio, believe me, as gifted an orator and as meticulous a manipulator Stern is, there was NO WAY to spin it so that the league would somehow be seen in a positive light ... so he swung back ... and he took a dump on Rome's overall credibility in an attempt to sway the listeners' focus away from the question and on to the malicious intent of the interviewer.

I just love honesty. I wish more people respected it as well, but would have it no other way that everyone be able to express how they feel ... from either side.

[snaquille oatmeal]

All Hail, I think you are going a bit overboard with how Stern didn't have a choice to spin it in a positive light. if he would have just said no it would have ended right there.

[dockingsched]

i didn't actually think it was fixed, was just having fun.

i think its kind of ridiculous for anyone to claim its fixed if they were aware of the process where representatives of every lottery team, select media members, and independent auditors are all present for the process.

edit: the part i think is inappropriate is that there's zero evidence to support the "conspiracy theory". just cause some fans think its true doesn't make it a legitimate topic. i compare it to those crazy delonte west lebron's mom stories. just cause some people talk about it doesn't make it appropriate to ask about.

questioning the entire legitimacy of the league should not be done so lightly by legit media members.

that's what I call censorship. oooohhh you can't ask that because you have no proof. what kind of weak a s s crap is that? there is a huge difference between asking and accusing. as much of an a s s as I think Rome is because he never uses a contraction or pauses the correct amount of nanoseconds after a comma when he speaks he did not accuse Stern of anything, he simply asked a question.

i don't think its weak, i think its responsible journalism.

he has zero reason to ask if the lottery is fixed. even rome himself said after that only "crazies" think the lottery was fixed. he should of asked how stern feels about fans thinking its fixed, not if it was fixed.


and he asked repeatedly. first, stern said no, then stern shrugged it off the 2nd time, then rome asked AGAIN.

[snaquille oatmeal]

no, Rome had zero right to accuse Stern of fixing it and he didn't, he asked him if it was fixed. There is nothing wrong with that....and yes he asked the same question 3 times after Stern gave him a no, but Stern refused to take the high road the third time and in turn left door open to interpretation.

I am still waiting for Stern to come to LA and face tough questions about "basketball reasons and conflict of interest". just because a conspiracy hasn't been proven about that either doesn't mean that I don't want anybody to ask tough questions about it.