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30 Point Scorer + Twin Offensive Towers 

Post#1 » by ALL HAIL » Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:48 am

Am I the only one who thinks, even with Nash, this will never work?

Can an all-time wing scoring great mix well with two seven footers who want the ball in their hands as well?

Chemistry-wise, it's never really worked for me.

Am I alone in feeling that a center should still be traded even with the acquisition of Steve Nash?
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Re: 30 Point Scorer + Twin Offensive Towers 

Post#2 » by Anklebreaker702 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:51 am

Yes you're alone. :lol: Nah, Nash is an unselfish guard. He'll make it work.
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Post#3 » by LAFan24 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:51 am

I still have a feeling that Lakers are going to be trading Pau gasol or Bynum. Plus, Pau Gasol isn't selfish, he plays to win and doesn't need the ball in his hand all the time.
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Post#4 » by Jetset » Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:52 am

Well we got two championships with the formula, and with Derek Fisher as our PG. If there's chemistry problems in that, well then here's to hoping that the chemistry problems persist and that along with the playmaking of Nash will get us two more ships.

I'm definitely interested to see what Nash would be able to do, but I'm expecting Pau to be traded for depth.
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Post#5 » by tugs » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:01 am

actually, the two rings had little to do with Bynum Jet. :)

but I see your point. Nash is a smart player and we have two skilled bigs. he can make it work. hopefully not something like an Amare-Shaq combo.

for me Amare-Shaq then<<<Bynum-Pau now
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Post#6 » by Jetset » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:04 am

Well Odom/Gasol was considered a twin tower too. We just need a quicker and more athletic big to run the floor with, this is where Howard would come in.
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Re: 30 Point Scorer + Twin Offensive Towers 

Post#7 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:09 am

ALL HAIL wrote:Am I the only one who thinks, even with Nash, this will never work?

Can an all-time wing scoring great mix well with two seven footers who want the ball in their hands as well?

Chemistry-wise, it's never really worked for me.

Am I alone in feeling that a center should still be traded even with the acquisition of Steve Nash?

I think that what you and many are overlooking is that Kobe has never played with an elite point guard there for it is automatically assumed that he can't play without hogging the ball. my answer to that is the Olympics and the All Star games. he can play without hogging the ball.

as far as Pau, not worried with Nash at the helm he will get his touches. Metta will get his five corner three's per game.

the only concern I have is Drew's lazy ass. he will have to make the biggest adjustment. if he wants his touches he will have to run the floor.
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Re: 30 Point Scorer + Twin Offensive Towers 

Post#8 » by toucansma » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:10 am

Nash can make about anything work. I hate to say, but look at my team last year. He nearly won the assist title with spare change and a washing machine. He even was fine when Shaq was there. Pau and Nash will do great. Only problem I see is Bynum maybe, but I even doubt that. Bynum needs to keep his hands ready for a pass at any time.
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Re: 30 Point Scorer + Twin Offensive Towers 

Post#9 » by desertlakerfan » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:17 am

ALL HAIL wrote:Am I the only one who thinks, even with Nash, this will never work?

Can an all-time wing scoring great mix well with two seven footers who want the ball in their hands as well?

Chemistry-wise, it's never really worked for me.

Am I alone in feeling that a center should still be traded even with the acquisition of Steve Nash?


Did you see Nash's stats last year playing with a bunch of role players?

12.5 ppg, 10.7 apg, 53% fg, 39% 3pt fg, on only 9 fga per game.

The guy is going to be amazing playing with all stars instead of making role players occasionally look like all stars. He will get tons of open looks for the first time in his career with multiple people other than him being the focus of opposing defenses, and imo will have no issue playing a half court game.
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Post#10 » by LateRoundFlyer » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:22 am

destro wrote:Well we got two championships with the formula, and with Derek Fisher as our PG. If there's chemistry problems in that, well then here's to hoping that the chemistry problems persist and that along with the playmaking of Nash will get us two more ships.

I'm definitely interested to see what Nash would be able to do, but I'm expecting Pau to be traded for depth.


Inaccurate to say the least. Bynum and Gasol hardly played together during both championship runs, with Odom often coming in midway through the first quarter and Pau sliding over to the 5. This year was the first year they ever logged as many minutes as they did together, and it's pretty clear how it all turned out.

That isn't to say the formula itself is bad. Spurs made it work in '99 and '03, but the secret to their success is also the most obvious difference: Bynum is no Duncan and Pau is no Robinson.

The attempts to turn Pau into a mid-range jump shooter were, by any objective standard, a failure. Though there were times we caught a few glimpses of what this duo could be if they had more time, the very fact of the matter is the time they were given in the first place was never supposed to happen. Pau was moved once before the season began and he'll likely be moved again.
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Post#11 » by Jetset » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:32 am

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ALL HAIL wrote:Am I the only one who thinks, even with Nash, this will never work?

Can an all-time wing scoring great mix well with two seven footers who want the ball in their hands as well?

Chemistry-wise, it's never really worked for me.

Am I alone in feeling that a center should still be traded even with the acquisition of Steve Nash?


Did you see Nash's stats last year playing with a bunch of role players?

12.5 ppg, 10.7 apg, 53% fg, 39% 3pt fg, on only 9 fga per game.

The guy is going to be amazing playing with all stars instead of making role players occasionally look like all stars. He will get tons of open looks for the first time in his career with multiple people other than him being the focus of opposing defenses, and imo will have no issue playing a half court game.


Yeah I don't understand the concern here. In a condensed season in which no one had training camp Nash led that team to a .500 record for the season. Nash will flourish greatly here. Teams just can't gameplan solely on Nash anymore.
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Post#12 » by milesfides » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:58 am

snaquille oatmeal wrote:I think that what you and many are overlooking is that Kobe has never played with an elite point guard there for it is automatically assumed that he can't play without hogging the ball. my answer to that is the Olympics and the All Star games. he can play without hogging the ball.

as far as Pau, not worried with Nash at the helm he will get his touches. Metta will get his five corner three's per game.

the only concern I have is Drew's lazy ass. he will have to make the biggest adjustment. if he wants his touches he will have to run the floor.


All of this.
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Post#13 » by LateRoundFlyer » Thu Jul 5, 2012 6:09 am

milesfides wrote:All of this.


All of that?

snaquille oatmeal wrote:as far as Pau, not worried with Nash at the helm he will get his touches. Metta will get his five corner three's per game.


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Post#14 » by ALL HAIL » Thu Jul 5, 2012 7:31 am

I guess I'm alone then.

To me, there will be too much congestion.
To me, Bynum and Gasol don't compliment each other well with Kobe only mucking it up more.

I'll be the first to say that even with Nash on board, Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe still lack collective offensive and defensive chemistry.

As great as Nash is, and as solid as his numbers will ALWAYS be, I do not think he can wave a magic wand and make Gasol, Bynum, and Kobe have chemistry.

One of those centers needs to go, for depth, like destro stated, but also for overall team balance and chemistry.

The floor, in my opinion, still needs to be considerably opened up, and having two legitimate low post centers in the game at the same time with this generation's Michael Jordan does little to that end.

Note: As tuggs stated, there is precedence in Nash playing with two offensive bigmen in Shaq and Amare. They were disappointing to say the least and Steve Nash did not look himself. Imagine how akward and challenging it would have been if that team had a 30 point wing on it as well.

Now Gasol is much more versatile than Amare or Shaq but that doesn't negate the fact that he, along with both Kobe and Drew like and need to get "go-to" touches in order to feel comfortable about themselves on the court.

I just don't see the ROOM for all three to succeed in the easy, free-flowin manner in which great offenses typically run, especially those offenses ran by Nash.

But I'll be alone on an island on this one ... it won't be the first time.
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Post#15 » by laduane1 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 7:36 am

Well it better work. Lakers traded away 2013 first round pick. Remember Lakers have not had a #1 pick for 5 years and now it will be 6 years. 38 years old. You thought the Celtics were old. Now I would say the Lakers are the oldest team. Maybe the slowest team also. D Howard to the Lakers. Now how would that work. They want more than just AB. No draft picks to offer. Well might as well cross that one off. I wish they had gotten Beasley, at lease he is young. Might be a 2012-13 season of win now, because the future is again traded away.
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Post#16 » by PurpleGold » Thu Jul 5, 2012 7:37 am

If the Lakers don't finish in the top 5 in PPP, Mike Brown has to go. He will have a full training camp this time around. No excuses.
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Post#17 » by dockingsched » Thu Jul 5, 2012 7:38 am

LateRoundFlyer wrote:
milesfides wrote:All of this.


All of that?

snaquille oatmeal wrote:as far as Pau, not worried with Nash at the helm he will get his touches. Metta will get his five corner three's per game.


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yeah, also the all star game part. kobe is a hell of a ball hog in those games.

good reference to the olympics though.
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Re: 30 Point Scorer + Twin Offensive Towers 

Post#18 » by 3-Pt_Shooter » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:04 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:Am I the only one who thinks, even with Nash, this will never work?

Can an all-time wing scoring great mix well with two seven footers who want the ball in their hands as well?

Chemistry-wise, it's never really worked for me.

Am I alone in feeling that a center should still be traded even with the acquisition of Steve Nash?


Though nothing is imminent, I don't think the Lakers are done dealing quite yet. Gasol and/or Bynum could still be moved.

But even if the Lakers don't make anymore major moves, they did solve many of their offensive woes by acquiring Steve Nash. He is (by far) the best point guard in the NBA at getting his teammates wide open looks at the basket...whether its a layup, a dunk, or a three point shot.

If Nash can make Marcin Gortat the Suns leading scorer and a 50% shooter just imagine what he can do with the Lakers current roster. On top of that, Nash is a knock down three-point shooter who will stretch the other teams defense.

As long as egos don't get in the way, this could prove to be a very smart move by Mitch!

The only concern for me is that this move doesn't make the Lakers younger, which has been their achilles heel the past couple of years. But then I look at the Heat who just beat OKC for the NBA Championship with a slightly older, more experienced roster.

So, in the end, we'll just have to wait and see. But I like the Lakers chances to make it to at least the Western Conference Finals next season :D
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Re: 30 Point Scorer + Twin Offensive Towers 

Post#19 » by flowflow99 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:56 pm

I think it could work as long as we do what the Clippers are doing - ignore the coach and have the PG run the offense
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Re: 30 Point Scorer + Twin Offensive Towers 

Post#20 » by Kilroy » Thu Jul 5, 2012 6:07 pm

I think there's every chance the Lakers are in fact done dealing.

And I also think there are chemistry issues with the Bynum, Pau, Kobe core... And I am not convinced Nash can single-handedly fix that...

The 2 Championships worked because Pau and Bynum didn't play much together, and Odom and Pau playing well together doesn't count.

For me, the best case scenario is for mixed results until the ASG and then for it to come together nicely after.

I'm also worried that Mike Brown, now that his coaching staff is a little lighter, may not know how to make it work.

So for me, I hope there's another trade... I'd love a Bynum/Howard swap, but I think moving Pau would have almost as big an impact if the right player came back. I have a suspicion Bynum might play a lot more consistent without Pau...

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