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Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 6:34 pm
by ALL HAIL
Assuming the Lakers are not interested in using teh MMLE (unless it's for someone really special), who do you think would take the minimum to play on this squad?
Lakers have three primary needs:
#1 - a 3rd bigman who can provide a spark off bench (preferably with shooting skills)
#2 - a backup sf/swingman who can definitely shoot
#3 - a combo guard with shooting skills who can backup Nash and play alongside him as well
Minimum nominees off the top off my head (please add more):
1st Need - a 3rd bigman who can provide a spark off bench (preferably with shooting skills)
Nominees .... Jamison, Lewis
2nd Need - a backup sf/swingman who can definitely shoot
Nominees.... Pietrus, Gerald Green, CJ Miles
3rd Need - a combo guard with shooting skills who can backup and play alongside Nash
Nominees .... Delonte West, Keyon Dooling
What other guys MIGHT come here for ONLY THE MINIMUM (please do not suggest any MMLE players, only guys who YOU THINK would possibly come for the minimum)
Thank you. Good Day
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 6:35 pm
by iamworthy
Grant hill-SF...... minimum guy
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 6:56 pm
by desertlakerfan
I want Jamison if we don't resign Jordan Hill. Im worried he's going to take the full MMLE to get here though. The guy put up 17 and 6 last season and will surely get some "close to MLE" offers from other teams.
Other than that Grant Hill is our best bet since he'll likely play for the vet min and we have Nash to recruit him.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:06 pm
by Levity
desertlakerfan wrote:I want Jamison if we don't resign Jordan Hill. Im worried he's going to take the full MMLE to get here though. The guy put up 17 and 6 last season and will surely get some "close to MLE" offers from other teams.
Other than that Grant Hill is our best bet since he'll likely play for the vet min and we have Nash to recruit him.
it looks like jamison might be going to the bobcats. if he does, we should convince rashard lewis to sign with us. a stretch 4 is what LA needs, now more than ever since we have steve nash. he's looking at MIA, but mitch should still give his agent a call and see what can be done.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:13 pm
by stillflossin
He's not a 1 or 3, but I'm dreaming of Michael Redd nailing kickout 3's while Kobe rests.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:14 pm
by ALL HAIL
desertlakerfan wrote:I want Jamison if we don't resign Jordan Hill. Im worried he's going to take the full MMLE to get here though. The guy put up 17 and 6 last season and will surely get some "close to MLE" offers from other teams.
Other than that Grant Hill is our best bet since he'll likely play for the vet min and we have Nash to recruit him.
I hope you're wrong about Jamison. I think, with Nash, he'd take the minimum (but I'm probably seeing it through purple and gold shades).
Grant Hill doesn't really address our issues. He's a better player than Barnes as a backup SF, but he can't stretch the floor (although he can shoot the 15 footer quite well).
I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have guys like Pietrus (longshot for the minimum), G.Green (longshot for the minimum), or CJ Miles (also a longshot).
It's not sexy at all and I forgot to mention this guy in the original post, but Cartier Martin is a great young shooter who could provide good backup minutes at SF for the minimum.
If no backup SF (who can shoot) is good enough for the minimum, the best option is to trade the expiring McRoberts straightup for the expiring Dorell Wright. He'd be a damn near perfect fit behind W.Peace .... losing McRoberts would mean that they would now have to sign a 4th big (who can preferably play center and PF).
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:24 pm
by Jajwanda
Cartier is available and he's honestly a very well-rounded almost unknown player. I'll tell you this it's tough to get offensive production from your 2,3, and 4 while bringing in the other skills you want but if you're looking for bargains look at PG then you can get these off ball, defensive guys or spread the floor players.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:25 pm
by ALL HAIL
stillflossin wrote:He's not a 1 or 3, but I'm dreaming of Michael Redd nailing kickout 3's while Kobe rests.
Michael Redd should definitely be on that list. He's a swingman, with the ability to backup both Kobe and W.Peace.
Nice choice, and he would definitely take the minimum.
Forgot about him as well.
I'll add one more ... Tracy McGrady (I think he's a free agent, right?)
Note: Before someone says the obvious that McGrady and Grant Hill and Redd and any others are too old, first consider that this thread is about finding steals for the minimum. If G.Green, Miles, or Pietrus want ot take the minimum to come here, that's great, but when you consider that the Lakers ADDED salary by getting Nash, they are more than likely looking to get guys here for next to nothing ... thus th etopic of this thread.
And when you're looking for value deals on minimum contracts, you can't be too picky. If a guy can still play and he can still shoot (which is most important), then the Lakers should consider them, regardless of age.
Would you throw away a Rolls Royce becasue it had a little scratch on it?
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:29 pm
by Jajwanda
Don't forget that it's not really role player age you worry about it's the age of your core. These are one-year deals. As much as I hate to say it, it's much harder to find a guy like Jamison then it is a guy like Miles. The MME should be used on the old man.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:31 pm
by stillflossin
Belinelli? I wish Camby was an option....
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:32 pm
by ALL HAIL
Jajwanda wrote:Cartier is available and he's honestly a very well-rounded almost unknown player. I'll tell you this it's tough to get offensive production from your 2,3, and 4 while bringing in the other skills you want but if you're looking for bargains look at PG then you can get these off ball, defensive guys or spread the floor players.
I don't know what the hell your talking about Jawan, but i negelected to shout you out for that McRoberts/Wright deal. Reagardless of whther it happens or not, it's a great deal and it's all you.
Maybe you can slow down and explain what the hell you're talking about in the quote above though.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:38 pm
by Jajwanda
What I'm saying is it's tough Hail to get the production bargains you want out of the 2,3 and 4 spots because you're not going to find inexpensive SGs,SFs, and PFs that can create and have other skills. You can however find make these guys productive by finding a backup PG. I see good players in this list, but they're useless without a guy that can create.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:42 pm
by ALL HAIL
stillflossin wrote:Belinelli? I wish Camby was an option....
I like how you're thinking, Belinelli can definitely shoot, but Belinelli cannot be trusted to play many if any minutes at SF:
Imagine him in this lineup:
PG - Nash
SG - West
C - Bynum
PF - Jamison
SF -
BelinelliNo good for me, but maybe others feel it. I'd rather have Redd, McGrady, Cartier Martin, Grant Hill, and "the longshots" (Pietrus, Miles, and G.Green) before Belinell.
I'm not sure Belinelli is a better fit over Matt Barnes. Radmanovic would be Belinelli's SF counterpart ... and he's a guy that should also go on the "long" list.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:46 pm
by stillflossin
How well do we think Kirk Heinrich has invested? I don't hear a lot of buzz bout him, maybe we sneak in with the MMLE?
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:52 pm
by Gerald3Wallace
How about Jared bayless for combo guard? TOR just made him unrestricted. I don't think he'll command mcuh at all. Athletic guard and can shootW
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 7:58 pm
by ALL HAIL
Jajwanda wrote:What I'm saying is it's tough Hail to get the production bargains you want out of the 2,3 and 4 spots because you're not going to find inexpensive SGs,SFs, and PFs that can create and have other skills. You can however find make these guys productive by finding a backup PG. I see good players in this list, but they're useless without a guy that can create.
Disagree witchu dude.
First off, the Lakers are not signing a PG when they already have Blake and his 8 million owed on the payroll.
Secondly, we're talking about shooters here. Shooters can get looks off penetration and creativity or they can simply get looks off of doube teams, and the Lakers have three guys that command a double.
Bringing in guys like West, Jamison, and Pietrusvto be the three top offensive options off your bench does not require a "bench PG" to get them looks when the starting lineup already has a HOF PG and three guys that require a double team ... now on the practice squad, yeah, they'd really need a good creative, penetrating PG ot get them looks, ,but the Lakers don't really have that luxury considering they have hitched their wagon to 8 million more dollars of Steve Blake.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 8:01 pm
by Jajwanda
If Blake is moved and then you take on the longer contract of a J.J. Barea... Well then you've got yourself a weapon. By the way I like what Hill brings in that he's a good ball-handler. I think he can get the ball across the floor against pressure if Goudelock is playing.
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 8:04 pm
by SniperHawk10
Jajwanda wrote:If Blake is moved and then you take on the longer contract of a J.J. Barea... Well then you've got yourself a weapon. By the way I like what Hill brings in that he's a good ball-handler. I think he can get the ball across the floor against pressure if Goudelock is playing.
Goudelock, kobe, hill, stretch 4, bynum/pau
I'd like a lineup like that.

Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 8:07 pm
by ALL HAIL
Updated list based on some really good suggestions:
1st Need - a 3rd bigman who can provide a spark off bench (preferably with shooting skills)
Nominees .... Jamison, Lewis, Shawne Williams, Kenyon Martin
2nd Need - a backup sf/swingman who can definitely shoot
Nominees .... Pietrus, G.Green, Miles, Hill, C.Martin, McGrady, Redd, Belinelli, Radmanovic
3rd Need - a combo guard with shooting skills who can backup and play alongside Nash
Nominees .... Delonte West, Keyon Dooling, Hinrich, Bayless, Arenas, Barbosa
Re: Minimum Guys?
Posted: Fri Jul 6, 2012 8:11 pm
by Jajwanda
Lot of good possibilities. I can see Shawne Williams as a minimum guy and he's got some stretch 4 in him.