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Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when needed

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:24 am
by dockingsched
Pau has always given these type of comments that at times seems like he's talking to kobe, this time its no different:


http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... vrit=53297

...Still, the Lakers can’t just expect to roll out the basketball and assume everything will flourish.

“It’s going to be playing together and understanding some nights will go more toward one player, attacking matchups and reading the game,” Gasol said. “We need to feel the game and feed whoever is hotter that particular day. At the same time, we need to keep the mind set that it’s all about winning. It’s not about who plays better or who plays worse. It’s about team effort and getting closer to our goal and getting stronger as the season goes along. As long as we understand that as a team, things will work out.”


The Lakers will also run the Princeton offense, a system based on frequent cuts, passing and spacing. They’ll also highly depend on Nash’s pick-and-roll skills. Both areas better suit Gasol’s game, but he acknowledged his uncertainty on how his role will evolve.

“I’m not sure exactly how it’s going to work,” Gasol said. “Obviously I like to be involved and have a chance to be aggressive and create not just for myself, but for others. We all know how comfortable and dangerous we can be when we’re working from the post and other areas. It’ll be getting a feel of what works best for the team and understanding each other’s role and go on from there.”

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:30 am
by Josephpaul
He's right , but i worry he will defer to much......

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:25 am
by iamworthy
blah blah blah blah kobe pass blah blah blah. You dont in 5 rings from being selfish. Steve Nash is the general of the lakers right now, lets see how he runs it.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:28 am
by Kilroy
I like what he says, but no matter what happens on the court, he's always looking to pass first...
If just one night, when Kobe was playing hero ball, the ball came to Pau and Pau made a grown move to the basket instead of passing it back to Kobe, I'd be more inclined to listen to this...

If you're game is flowing and you know it, stop passing Pau... Take over. The discussion would pretty much die at that point...

Stop asking for more touches in the off season, and start screaming for the ball during the game... You got like 7" on Kobe... Get in his face.

Do not like Political Pau.... I heart Spanish National Pau...

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:02 am
by tugs
what if they make Pau option 1?

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:16 am
by Sofa King
Gasol better not become more of a pussy next season.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:36 am
by Kilroy
tugs wrote:what if they make Pau option 1?


I have no idea what that means... The open guy or the guy with the clear miss-match should always be the first option.
But I think Pau, with his decision making and passing abilities, could have more of a role in a read-react offense... He definitely should be touching the ball just about every time down the court... Unless someone else is open and/or has a miss-match. 8-)

I just don't really think a team with Pau, Nash, Kobe and Dwight in the starting lineup needs a 'First Option'...
Just as long as MWP is the 'Last Option' :lol:

However, it looks like they might have Pau out at the 3pt line to initiate the Princeton Offense. So he might be more of an option than last season.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:57 am
by TheXFactor
I think Pau needs to be a little more agressive than defer.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:58 am
by tugs
Kilroy wrote:
tugs wrote:what if they make Pau option 1?


I have no idea what that means... The open guy or the guy with the clear miss-match should always be the first option.
But I think Pau, with his decision making and passing abilities, could have more of a role in a read-react offense... He definitely should be touching the ball just about every time down the court... Unless someone else is open and/or has a miss-match. 8-)

I just don't really think a team with Pau, Nash, Kobe and Dwight in the starting lineup needs a 'First Option'...
Just as long as MWP is the 'Last Option' :lol:

However, it looks like they might have Pau out at the 3pt line to initiate the Princeton Offense. So he might be more of an option than last season.


what I meant was "get him more involved" and "initiate the offense". latter is stupid since they have Nash. I just think getting Pau more touches and letting him decide what to do on offense will do wonders for him rather than just dishing hockey assists, bail out shooter.

I agree, Princeton offense will suit him as the center is a vital cog in that system.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:26 am
by TheHartBreakKid
I really hope Pau doesn't just become a spot up midrange shooter. The thing is, the Dwight Nash p&R is probably going to be more effective than the Pau Nash one, and with Dwight post ups and Kobe Iso's I can't see too many plays ran for Pau with all 4 of them. Brown needs to manage minutes, as simple as that. Nash is a great floor general and all, and Kobe and Dwight obviously need to sacrifice (especially Kobe) to accommodate the other, but I still don't see how Pau would get his touches. With Nash's back and his tendency to take long rests rather than coming in an out of play numerous times, I could see him playing the entire first. The problem is that Kobe usually plays the entire first also, and I would love it if either Kobe or Nash were in at all times, considering how disgusting a Meeks Blake backcourt sounds. I could see Pau going to the bench early and coming back in with the second group, where he'll be utilized more. I just wish there was a way to have him there with Nash running things. I just don't think Brown is smart enough to figure it out. Regarding what Pau's saying, I think we could all agree that this is directed at Kobe. All I'm saying is that Kobe deferring, as he should, can only solve so much. With 4 elite players, I don't see why we would go any moment, minus garbage time, without two of them on the floor to maximize everyone's abilities.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:34 am
by Kilroy
tugs wrote:what I meant was "get him more involved" and "initiate the offense". latter is stupid since they have Nash. I just think getting Pau more touches and letting him decide what to do on offense will do wonders for him rather than just dishing hockey assists, bail out shooter.

I agree, Princeton offense will suit him as the center is a vital cog in that system.


I knew what you meant, I was just talking more on a conceptual level about all the lengthy discussions we've had on here about 'first options'...

I agree... I think if we're going to keep Pau, we need to embrace/utilize his offensive versatility... But that to me means getting him in the post where he's most effective. I have my doubts about this perimeter set thing for him...

But Pau is really mobile for a big so maybe that will work.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:40 am
by Kilroy
wafer88 wrote:I really hope Pau doesn't just become a spot up midrange shooter. The thing is, the Dwight Nash p&R is probably going to be more effective than the Pau Nash one, and with Dwight post ups and Kobe Iso's I can't see too many plays ran for Pau with all 4 of them. Brown needs to manage minutes, as simple as that. Nash is a great floor general and all, and Kobe and Dwight obviously need to sacrifice (especially Kobe) to accommodate the other, but I still don't see how Pau would get his touches. With Nash's back and his tendency to take long rests rather than coming in an out of play numerous times, I could see him playing the entire first. The problem is that Kobe usually plays the entire first also, and I would love it if either Kobe or Nash were in at all times, considering how disgusting a Meeks Blake backcourt sounds. I could see Pau going to the bench early and coming back in with the second group, where he'll be utilized more. I just wish there was a way to have him there with Nash running things. I just don't think Brown is smart enough to figure it out. Regarding what Pau's saying, I think we could all agree that this is directed at Kobe. All I'm saying is that Kobe deferring, as he should, can only solve so much. With 4 elite players, I don't see why we would go any moment, minus garbage time, without two of them on the floor to maximize everyone's abilities.


I see Pau as our high post P&R partner for Nash and Dwight as our Low post P&R partner...

I think Pau is pretty mobile, so maybe that will work but I'm not convinced. In theory, it should spread the post area a bit and allow 2 bigs to work down low better than both of them setting up down low and trying to hold their position until the ball came to them.

But in practice, Pau might be just a little too slow to be really effective coming off the pick and getting to a post position before Defenses react.

So you may be right, we could see a lot of jump shooting from Pau which he's good at but not as good as being a skilled, multifaceted scorer in the low post...

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:57 am
by LAKESHOW
weve got dwight howard in the house. Father time wins all matchups in this league. It is time for KOBE to defer. plain and simple.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:32 am
by AcecardZ
I have a feeling we're going to see starting lineups of:

Pau
Nash
Ron Ron
Kobe
Dwight

with Pau and Kobe frequently hitting the bench early and Meeks and Jamison coming in to play with Nash, Ron and Dwight. After a few more minutes of that lineup we'll see Kobe, Pau, Blake and Hill put in to play against the other team's second unit while Dwight and Nash rest. Then the starting unit can close out the 2nd Q if needed. It'll just be an absolute nightmare for other teams to try to contend with. All the while we'll be able to keep Kobe and Pau's minutes to a minimum in the first half and if the game's tight they can play both guys more minutes in the second half as needed.

Once this team starts playing together I don't really expect too many games to be close once the fourth quarter starts. With any luck we'll be seeing tons of Meeks, Blake, Hill, Jamison and Ebanks in 4th Q's.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:37 pm
by twinthunder3
Dwight Howard is option 1 then Kobe. Pau gets easy & open looks.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:40 pm
by TyCobb
Has Gasol seen Nash play before?

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:45 pm
by crazyeights
Nash being the other leader to Kobe will allow Pau the freedom to play, IMO, and not have to worry about counterbalancing Kobe.

Now Pau has about the strongest team oriented ally you can have. To me that's the key to the season: how Nash/Pau, Kobe, and Dwight interact. From Dwight's presser he seemed willing to follow Kobe and Nash's lead. If that means team sacrifice then, IMO Kobe will fall right in line with that.

I look at Nash to be a PJ-type uniting force on this team.

Anyways, we shall see.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:57 pm
by LApwnd
Josephpaul wrote:He's right , but i worry he will defer to much......



agreed here on the defer to much part

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:29 pm
by Sedale Threatt
Can only agree with everyone else -- deference is fine as long as everybody else is there to pick up the slack. That means you, too, Pau. No more disappearing acts. You can't give Kobe any reason to monopolize the offense because he's going to do it without thinking twice.

Re: Pau thinks key is that players defer to others when need

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:57 pm
by Kilroy
TyCobb wrote:Has Gasol seen Nash play before?

:lol:
He's seen, he's just making sure Kobe has too...

twinthunder3 wrote:Dwight Howard is option 1 then Kobe. Pau gets easy & open looks.


See though, 'Options' only seem to work with offenses that run plays... Read react offenses rely on ball movement... So who the hell knows who the first option is? Is it the first guy to touch the ball in the half-court?
That'd probably still be Kobe or maybe Pau...
Or is it the first guy to get it in the paint?
That might be Dwight, Pau or maybe even Kobe and MWP...
Or is the guy that touches the ball the most?
That'd hopefully be Nash...

All I know is I want Nash, Pau, and Kobe deciding what to do with the ball... Most likely in that order.

And if this team isn't dysfunctional in that offense, the guy with the miss-match and the hot hand, will be the guy getting the most shots... IE "1st Option"... I hope they finger it out...

Sedale Threatt wrote:Can only agree with everyone else -- deference is fine as long as everybody else is there to pick up the slack. That means you, too, Pau. No more disappearing acts. You can't give Kobe any reason to monopolize the offense because he's going to do it without thinking twice.


Yep... Pau was the Co-Captain of the damn team... There is absolutely no reason whatsoever he should be indicating any kind of discontent with ball movement to the media in the off-season...
Pull up your big boy drawers and LEAD...