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Kobe's ideal role with this new roster 

Post#1 » by dockingsched » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:45 am

Last yr Kobe had a pretty ball dominant role with the lakers. Here are some of his stats that show why, aside from the new players the team got, he was going to have to get a drastically new role anyway:

USG%: 35.7%, by far the highest in the league, ahead of westbrook's 32.7 and lebron's 32.0. next highest on the lakers was bynum at 23.8, which only ranked him 75th in the league. i believe it was the biggest gap among a team's top 2 in the entire league.


Shots per game: Kobe also ranked 1st in the league here by a healthy margin with 23.0 shots per game. Durant ranked 2nd at 19.7 per game. You would need to go down to Rudy Gay at #16 with 16.4 shots per game to match that type of gap. If you break it down by shots per minute, kobe also led the league, with carmelo/westbrook rounding out the top 3. two guys that don't exactly have the greatest of reputations.


Efficiency - TS%: Kobe's TS% for the season was 52.7%, which ranks him 20th among the top 25 scorers in the league. The 5 players behind him include guys like Carmelo Anthony, Brandon Jennings, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson and Rudy Gay. Kobe was also behind his two top 30 scorer teammates in Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum.


Simply put Kobe should not have been shooting so much. Im not going to use this thread to put blame on him, just stating a matter of fact. Could have been his teammates hesitation, lack of offensive system, he was asked by brown to take on the load, whatever. not the aim of this thread.

My main point is that whatever his role was last yr, it simply cannot happen again. Next we go into a little more details of what exactly Kobe was doing last yr.

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Kobe's role last yr was primarily that of isolation scorer, with some post ups, off screens, and p&r handler rounding out his most common plays.


Isolation plays accounted for more than one fourth of his shots at 27.9%. During these plays, Kobe shot 37.3% which led to 0.86 ppp, which ranked him 46th in the league.


Post ups were almost 1/5th of his attacks, at 19.3%. Here he shot 43.9% which lead to 0.93 ppp, ranking him 33rd in the league.


Pick and Roll Handler accounted for 12.2% of his shots. Here he had a 46 fg% and 0.86 PPP, ranking him 41.


Off-screen - 10.9% of the time, 1.0 PPP, ranking him 26th. So far the best results

Hand Off. This only accounted for 3.1% of the time, but i included it cause it was his most successful compared to the rest of the league. Here he had 1.16 PPP, ranking him 8th in the league.

Cut. This only accounted for 4.5% of the time, but in terms of raw PPP, it was his best, yielding 1.26 PPP. This ranked him at 64th in the league. Probably cause players that cut usually only get the ball when they're open and have a high % shot.


Things to note: Kobe is at his best when he's off the ball. Either cutting or coming off screens. Unfortunately I thought he had a better spot up numbers (ranked 177th), but even there he's getting a 0.92 PPP. those last 3 numbers i posted speak for themselves as well. Also of note, kobe had a total of 9 plays as the Pick and roll man, which kinda shows that there was a total lack of reliable ball handler outside of kobe. That changes with Nash.

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What can the guys do for Kobe?

I guess this section is kinda not needed since we know what Nash does and we all saw that article that stated Nash being the best p&r handler and Howard being the best p&r man, but for the sake of the details:

NASH Pick and Roll Handler: Nash's bread and butter. 60.9% of the time he's running this, thats pretty damn high!! leads to a 0.92 PPP. Nash doesn't really run anything else enough to make it worth noting, but when he isolates or spots up, he's elite, which is kinda obvious.


HOWARD Pick and Roll Man: 1.36 PPP, shoots 74%, nuf said.


GASOL: he's an elite post scorer at 0.95 PPP (ranked 21st), and he's really good at converting offensive rebounds into buckets, 1.19 PPP there.


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All this leads to the point I would like to discuss, which is what the heck Kobe should be doing on offense next year and if you think it'll happen. This question really depends on how the rotations go, mainly if Kobe is paired up with D12 in the middle quarters or Pau, since I assume its always going to be at least either nash/kobe on the floor and pau/d12 on the floor.

Nash on the floor: Kobe imo should be almost exclusively off the ball, identical to ray allen's role except a lot more cuts towards the basket vs. spot ups. This is going to be his biggest adjustment imo, cause statistically with all 4 on the floor Kobe should be the 3rd/4th option behind Nash/D12 and at times Gasol, depending on the matchup.


Kobe with Pau rather than D12: The team would be better off having Kobe stick with Pau during the mid game rotations. With Kobe being a post up threat, having Pau and his shooting range instead of d12 will be key. Pau, being a post up threat himself as well as a capable creator, gives Kobe a better chance of playing off the ball vs playing with D12. I also think this is when the princeton will be most utilized, with nash out of the game and trying to get kobe the ball on the move as a main objective.


The biggest adjustment, imo, and one i'm not sure of how its going to go, is going to be clutch time, or kobe ball time. I've already discussed that I think Nash should almost always have the ball with Kobe off the ball when they're both in the game, but can that plan be stuck to in the clutch, where kobe has always ALWAYS had free reign?

Last yr, Kobe upped his USG% in the clutch to an astronomical 41.5%. Kobe's TS% dipped from his 52.7% down to 48.9% during clutch time. In comparison, Nash's efficiency went from 62.5 TS% during the entire game up to a mind boggling 73.9 TS% during clutch time. A big question mark however will be how useful the Nash/D12 pnr will be when D12 gets the hack a shaq treatment. i wonder what the plan is going to be, could we even see some Nash/Kobe pnr with players like meeks/jamison in to spread the floor with d12 ready to attack the glass?

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CLIFF NOTES:

-When Nash is in the game, he should always initiate the offense, playing a 2 man game with D12/Pau as the matchups allow. Kobe should probably be a 3rd/4th option ala Ray Allen with more cutting and less spot ups.

- Kobe should be paired with Pau in the mid game rotations, with some princeton offense used to get Kobe the ball on the move / off the ball, let Pau create some. Nash/D12 an ideal pair.

- Main concern is how Kobe adjusts to his role during clutch time, where he's traditionally had full control. Must yield to Nash and adjust to a role he's almost never had.

If you got this far thanks for reading and how do you see the team using Kobe, how to you see Kobe adjusting, and if you were in charge how would you use Kobe?
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Re: Kobe's ideal role in with this new roster 

Post#2 » by Kupchak9 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:40 am

Kobe should be limited to 16-17FGA per game as a second option.
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Post#3 » by tugs » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:39 am

good job doc, very nice read. :thumbsup:

biggest adjustments as you've said is the best fit for the team: Kobe moving off ball for cuts to the baskets. Kobe is not accustomed to doing that. closest he's been to that type of role is off screens for jumpers. with the presence of Dwight, Pau, Nash, and other shooters, Kobe almost has a free pass moving off ball to the basket.

he is smart enough to recognize that. the question is :

is he willing to adjust to that role? and

will Mike Brown have the balls to address that to Kobe if ever he goes for Kobe ball?

I hope so. Kobe suggested the Princeton so he should defer to the principles of the Princeton. and Mike Brown should have an iron fist with Kobe. "Hey, go ahead and go Kobe ball I dare you! I have Pau, Dwight and Nash! I'll sit your ass!"
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Post#4 » by Anklebreaker702 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:04 am

Great post. Kobe was way out of line last year. Hopefully that changes this year.
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Re: Kobe's ideal role in with this new roster 

Post#5 » by EiRON » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:14 am

Anklebreaker702 wrote:Great post. Kobe was way out of line last year. Hopefully that changes this year.

I don't blame Kobe at all. Majority of his shots was because other perimeter players simply cannot create shots for themselves or others and when you have 2 7 footers in the paint there is really no room to drive which lead to contested jumpshots. Not to mention we were a very poor 3 point shooting team. I'm not saying Kobe shooting 20+ shots is the best option, but you can't really blame Kobe for that. The offense was horrible and no outside thread and our bigs consistently getting doubled and turning the ball over. That said, having Nash on the team as our ball handler should erase all the problems.
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Re: Kobe's ideal role in with this new roster 

Post#6 » by EArl » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:05 am

Kupchak9 wrote:Kobe should be limited to 16-17FGA per game as a second option.

I don't see Kobe taking less than 20 shots a game. He should shoot less, but who is going to tell him anything? Mike Brown :lol:
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Post#7 » by LAKESHOW » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:02 am

KOBE needs to defer and kick the ball inside to dwight. period. defer to the other weapons, which creates the space and availability for him to operate.
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Post#8 » by AcecardZ » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:52 am

It's just so silly. If Kobe gets doubled he can pass to Nash, Pau or Dwight... and Dwight moves so much better than Bynum he should be able to cut to spots where Kobe/Nash can feed him for easy baskets.

If these guys work as a team, ie Kobe buys into the system, they're going to be so freaking good.


Also, Dock mentioned having Kobe and Pau come in off the bench to play against other team's second units. I totally agree with this. If Nash and Dwight are on the bench resting it gives Kobe free reign to hero ball it up a bit. Hopefully he won't forget Pau is on the court and get the Spaniard some looks also.

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6 min mark of 1st sub out Kobe, Pau and sub in Meeks and Jamison

As opponents starters being to wear down sub Kobe and Pau back in and punish their second unit.

Assuming managing the time in that manner won't upset Kobe's ability to stay warm he should be able to play remarkably efficient basketball this year. (and yeah all the Kobe haters will give Nash all the credit for making Kobe better. lol I can't wait to hear this)

One last point. If Kobe can get comfortable playing 28-30 minutes a game it could easily extend his career another season or two.
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Post#9 » by AcecardZ » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:58 am

LAKESHOW wrote:KOBE needs to defer and kick the ball inside to dwight. period. defer to the other weapons, which creates the space and availability for him to operate.



Kobe should theoretically see more single coverage than he's seen in years. It'll be interesting to see what he can do against it. He's going to feel like he's open 100% of the time. lol
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Post#10 » by snaquille oatmeal » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:21 pm

there is only one adjustment needed, the coach (Phil or Mike) need to stop telling him he is the savior.
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Post#11 » by Slava » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:18 pm

To be fair I expect the team as a whole to take more shots than previous season so writing stuff like 17 FGA is the limit is kind of naive. Steve Nash will speed up the tempo quite a bit and having Dwight running like a gazelle on fast breaks instead of a lumbering Bynum will motivate us to push the ball a lot more, which would be the biggest improvement in our offense and style of play.

Kobe needs to be the ball handler only when Nash is off the floor though otherwise the ball should run into Nash's hands like a magnet.
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Post#12 » by Dr Aki » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:25 pm

nash/dwight PnR, outlet to kobe, kobe shoots, gasol and dwight go for the putback
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Post#13 » by picc » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:14 pm

17 shots/game would be great. Nash doesn't shoot all that much anyway, and I have a feeling by the end of the year we'll be clamoring for him to do it more, but Howard needs the ball more than Bynum did because he can do more with it than just force shots up when teams come with a double. We should also see Pau take a more prominent role in the post.

Kobe should let Nash make his life easier. I hope he sees it that way.
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Post#14 » by Sedale Threatt » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:31 pm

His ideal role is staying out of Steve Nash's way and letting him run the offense.
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Post#15 » by picc » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:02 pm

We all know thats not going to happen. But I hear you.
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Post#16 » by Sedale Threatt » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:47 pm

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Post#17 » by yitur » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:12 pm

We actually DO know that this is going to happen, this happened in 2004 when he was the ball hog mode he averaged 18FGAs, so dont try to pull that crap that Kobe isnt capable of giving the ball up because of last season, coach changes defense collapsing inside was the reason there was no way Gasol and Bynum can efficiently score in the paint consistently without defenses putting 5 guys inside and make Sessions-Artest kind of guys shoot long jumpers. He will shoot less than 20 shots per game, he will score around 24-25 and his usage will be around 30 not 35
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Post#18 » by Wavy Q » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:14 pm

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Post#19 » by Gek » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:31 pm

This seems relevant and was interesting, especially the spot or two he points out the differences of player movement between the Princeton and Triangle.
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Post#20 » by dockingsched » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:31 pm

there is simply no way to compare how kobe had to adjust to gary payton 8 yrs ago when he was still used to playing behind shaq versus how he'll have to adjust to Nash. Since joining phoenix steve nash has basically been consistently putting up an AST% around 50%. so basically when nash is on the court, he's the one creating for everyone.

in 03/04, payton put up an AST% around 26% and Kobe put up around 24%, so Kobe was still splitting the play maker duties at a pretty equal level. that simply cannot be the case with Nash.
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