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Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:03 pm**

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2012/10/point-guard-rumors-and-more-la.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

"I still don't know who my backup (point guard) is or my backup (shooting guard)," Brown said. "I'm going to try to play Antawn (Jamison) as my backup (small forward) and I'm going to try to play Jordan (Hill) as my backup (power forward).

"I'm still searching for what my second five will be."

So basically Jamison backs up Ron and Hill plays 4. Its **** disturbing that out coach has no idea who is his rotation 8-12 and what their minutes will be because camp should be used to build cohesiveness.

I ain't seen a group of talent like this that can be stopped from within by the incompetence of a man with a clipboard since Del Harris.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:15 pm**

hmm it isnt hard to see why he doesn't have a back up PG yet. They all suck.

Anyeays im please with what he said. Pau will be playing C when Dwight is on the bench. Hill is best used at the 4 and i still prefer seeing Jamison at the 3 than Ebanks. As for the back up 2, Brown probably wants to see more out of Meeks and CDR beafore deciding on who is the back up to kobe.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:22 pm**

Jamison is to long in the tooth to play the 3 at a high level.

I am very concerned about our bench and with Mr. Brown as our coach. Scary combination.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:47 pm**

It's not Mike's fault that Kobe hasn't told him yet.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:17 pm**

Kobe probably looked at Nash and said you talk to the mf, I had my feel last year in that condensed mess

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He played Blake at SG last year. Started Ebanks, made Ron sixth man, benched Barnes, started Barnes, benched Ebanks, started Ron, made Barnes sixth man, and then started Ebanks when Kobe got hurt over Barnes. He started Josh, played Troy, benched Josh, played both, benched Troy, and then benched both in the final two games of the year. Gave Goud spot minutes, played him as Fishers backup for weeks while he scored double digits, and then benched him saying it wasn't like he was a threat to score double digits. He played Kobe 12 games (some with OT) in the regular season where he didn't rest one second of the second half, didn't rest him at all vs OKC in game 4 in the second half, and then in game 5 put out the unit sans Kobe that as a net negative in every playoff game to start the fourth quarter.

He gets no ****ing credit based on his past

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:48 pm**

That was managements fault, they should have provided Brown with a legit 2. He has two this year to chose from.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:50 pm**

kblo247 wrote:Kobe probably looked at Nash and said you talk to the mf, I had my feel last year in that condensed mess

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He played Blake at SG last year. Started Ebanks, made Ron sixth man, benched Barnes, started Barnes, benched Ebanks, started Ron, made Barnes sixth man, and then started Ebanks when Kobe got hurt over Barnes. He started Josh, played Troy, benched Josh, played both, benched Troy, and then benched both in the final two games of the year. Gave Goud spot minutes, played him as Fishers backup for weeks while he scored double digits, and then benched him saying it wasn't like he was a threat to score double digits. He played Kobe 12 games (some with OT) in the regular season where he didn't rest one second of the second half, didn't rest him at all vs OKC in game 4 in the second half, and then in game 5 put out the unit sans Kobe that as a net negative in every playoff game to start the fourth quarter.

He gets no ****ing credit based on his past

Well said sir,
Benching Goud when he was going off during the season still puzzles me to this day.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:01 pm**

Goud's defensive rating was pretty bad with the exception of the Charlotte/Denver games in that span and in the Denver game he was probably guarding Rudy Fernandez who shot 1-7, not uncommon for Rudy Fernandez. Regardless of the reasoning Brown used, I never understood why we were playing such an undersized SG.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:57 pm**

Just like I said when Hill resigned, Jamison will be the backup SF this season and Hill will backup our bigs.

There is no point in worrying about his lack of footspeed at the SF. He's not going to be playing against starters the majority of his minutes and he'll spend part of his time on the court with Hill and Howard who will easily protect the rim from any dribble drives.

As for the backup SG situation I think we're going to have to see a trade. Right now Ebanks is playing well and Meeks will come into form, we don't have enough minutes for both of them and there are surely teams who are looking for help at that position.

I also think our PG situation will require a trade, but for different reasons. Blake, Duhon and Morris are all lackluster options to back up Nash, and only Morris has the excuse of being young. If we could package either Blake or Duhon with either Ebanks or Meeks I feel we should be able to bring back a solid backup PG.

Or just find a sucker to take Blake/Duhon for cash/second rounder and sign Barbosa to back up Nash.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:13 pm**

this guy is a joke, the only thing that is going to beat us, is our own HC. hes not only a bad fit as the coach of the Lakers, he's not fit to be an NBA coach period. Mitch cant hand him all the right pieces in the world. Thats where he has to show what kind of coach he really is, by looking at what he has and making the pieces together.

Its not rocket science to know who your backups/rotational players should be based on what we have:

C - J Hill - Sacre
PF - Jamison - Clark
SF - Ebanks - CDR
SG - Meeks - DJO - Goudelock
PG - Blake - Duhon - Morris

And since were only going to need 15 players, Morris and Goudelock should be sent to the D-Leauge.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:00 pm**

Okay he's made questionable decisions in the past. But with the bench we had last year, I don't blame him. That was a high school varsity type of bench. Good players but not nba talent so He had to mix and match. With kobe, again he had a crap bench. There's a reason he played sooo many minutes.
Now getting on topic. He shouldn't hand out roles right now. No one is. Doc is not set with bass or j.s./terry or lee. Pop isn't sure of Blair's role and his pg rotation with Neal and mill or whos starting at the 2. Two coaches I respect. Cut him some slack and don't go crazy on MB just cuz he said that. If he screws THIS up, he'll get auto fired anyways.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:51 pm**

Lets get this straight. This team has enough talent to win the title. Barring injury if we don't win, it is clearly Mike Brown's fault for not making it work. Anyone who thinks this roster doesn't have enough talent to win a title is a joke.

Guess who was our bench players when we won our last two titles?

The likes of Shannon Brown, Josh Powell, Luke Walton, Sasha Vujacic, Adam Morrison, DJ Benga. Only good bench player we had was Lamar Odom. This bench is 2000 times better than that one.

But it is too early to say it's not working yet..but I find it unbelievable that anyonne could even hint that management has not put enough talent on this team.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:51 pm**

Man I hate to do what I'm about to say....but some of you guys here are a bunch of complainers and over analyzers. You guys think that Brown doesn't know what he's doing just because he says he hasn't found the right mix yet ?

I've got no problem with him say what he said, because it so damn obvious that our back up PG won't be half the player Steve is. But on the other hand we only need somebody at the 1 for a decent 15-18 minutes anyway. Yeah Brown has made some personnel mistakes, but let's not act like the man is a total recluse. He was hired for defensive purposes, which this team needed at the time because it was so damn obvious that the last man had a disdain for teaching and committing a practice to defensive concepts.

I glad he's just not handing the backup spots to Meeks and Blake because they feel they should get it. You have to compete and perform well enough in preseason to garner being named to that spot.

But the one thing I can't stand is when a guy who's probably never coached on any level say a man shouldn't be an NBA coach. What gives you the expertise to say such an asinine thing ? It's so much more to coaching than just scratching and scribbling on a erase board. 90% of coaching on any level is preparation and juggling ego's.

The only 3 solidified players in the backup rotation are Hill, Jamison and Sacre. I agree 100% with Brown on not knowing who the other two are. Blake has proven to be ineffective and plays scared more than anything. Meeks is who I always knew he was.........streaky. Anybody that thought he was gonna come here draining 3's had it all twisted.

It was a reason Mitch want's to keep that 15th slot open, just in case a mid season or trade deadline player pops out the weeds.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:19 pm**

Well playing Jamison at the Small Forward - when he has NEVER been a Small Forward - is an odd choice at the very least. Now that he's older, I don't think he's going to fit that bill. He has value as a stretch 4, he has little to no value playing the 3-slot.

The guard backup slot are understandable. Blake has been meh at best. Duhon is beyond awful. Morris hasn't shown much to be given that role. Lots of undesirables, unless a trade comes through we're going to roll with Blake.

I'll say this, if he sends out a Blake-Duhon lineup or put Blake at the SG position for even a minute, dump him. Unless we have severe injuries or foul trouble we should not have boneheaded lineups.

Posted: **Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:15 am**

DEEP3CL wrote:Man I hate to do what I'm about to say....but some of you guys here are a bunch of complainers and over analyzers. You guys think that Brown doesn't know what he's doing just because he says he has found the right mix yet ?

I've got no problem with him say what he said, because it so damn obvious that our back up PG won't be half the player Steve is. But on the other hand we only need somebody at the 1 for a decent 15-18 minutes anyway. Yeah Brown has made some personnel mistakes, but let's not act like the man is a total recluse. He was hired for defensive purposes, which this team needed at the time because it was so damn obvious that the last man had a disdain for teaching and committing a practice to defensive concepts.

I glad he's just not handing the backup spots to Meeks and Blake because they feel they should get it. You have to compete and perform well enough in preseason to garner being named to that spot.

But the one thing I can't stand is when a guy who's probably never coached on any level say a man shouldn't be an NBA coach. What gives you the expertise to say such an asinine thing ? It's so much more to coaching than just scratching and scribbling on a erase board. 90% of coaching on any level is preparation and juggling ego's.

The only 3 solidified players in the backup rotation are Hill, Jamison and Sacre. I agree 100% with Brown on not knowing who the other two are. Blake has proven to be ineffective and plays scared more than anything. Meeks is who I always knew he was.........streaky. Anybody that thought he was gonna come here draining 3's had it all twisted.

It was a reason Mitch want's to keep that 15th slot open, just in case a mid season or trade deadline player pops out the weeds.

Well said. You would think they would try to read between the lines. Maybe he doesnt know yet b/c there is stiff competition. Everyone on the board subscribes to the thought that Blake and Duhon are the worst but wants Mike Brown to automatically know which one he should run with after the 3rd preseason game?

Posted: **Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:10 am**

DEEP3CL wrote:Man I hate to do what I'm about to say....but some of you guys here are a bunch of complainers and over analyzers. You guys think that Brown doesn't know what he's doing just because he says he hasn't found the right mix yet ?

I've got no problem with him say what he said, because it so damn obvious that our back up PG won't be half the player Steve is. But on the other hand we only need somebody at the 1 for a decent 15-18 minutes anyway. Yeah Brown has made some personnel mistakes, but let's not act like the man is a total recluse. He was hired for defensive purposes, which this team needed at the time because it was so damn obvious that the last man had a disdain for teaching and committing a practice to defensive concepts.

I glad he's just not handing the backup spots to Meeks and Blake because they feel they should get it. You have to compete and perform well enough in preseason to garner being named to that spot.

But the one thing I can't stand is when a guy who's probably never coached on any level say a man shouldn't be an NBA coach. What gives you the expertise to say such an asinine thing ? It's so much more to coaching than just scratching and scribbling on a erase board. 90% of coaching on any level is preparation and juggling ego's.

The only 3 solidified players in the backup rotation are Hill, Jamison and Sacre. I agree 100% with Brown on not knowing who the other two are. Blake has proven to be ineffective and plays scared more than anything. Meeks is who I always knew he was.........streaky. Anybody that thought he was gonna come here draining 3's had it all twisted.

It was a reason Mitch want's to keep that 15th slot open, just in case a mid season or trade deadline player pops out the weeds.

Posted: **Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:31 am**

I agree with DEEP3CL, for the most part.

However, the proposition of Jamison manning the small forward position is a scary one. Every single player out there will eat him alive. If we really had a need at the small forward position, we should've gone after someone like Delfino, or Pietrus. I'd still absolutely love Pietrus on this squad. Moreover, I believe Hill is perfectly capable of playing back up center; he's a hustle player; a real banger/bruiser. That would've given Jamison minutes at power forward, and Ebanks continues to play small forward. So the second unit would goes as follows: Meeks(SG), Ebanks(SF), Jamison(PF), and Hill(C). I like Sacre, and want him on the final roster, but, I don't want to see him get significant minutes.

P.S., I'm not sold on Ebanks. I hope Douglas-Roberts makes the final roster, as well.

Posted: **Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:39 am**

DEEP3CL wrote:Man I hate to do what I'm about to say....but some of you guys here are a bunch of complainers and over analyzers. You guys think that Brown doesn't know what he's doing just because he says he hasn't found the right mix yet ?

I've got no problem with him say what he said, because it so damn obvious that our back up PG won't be half the player Steve is. But on the other hand we only need somebody at the 1 for a decent 15-18 minutes anyway. Yeah Brown has made some personnel mistakes, but let's not act like the man is a total recluse. He was hired for defensive purposes, which this team needed at the time because it was so damn obvious that the last man had a disdain for teaching and committing a practice to defensive concepts.

I glad he's just not handing the backup spots to Meeks and Blake because they feel they should get it. You have to compete and perform well enough in preseason to garner being named to that spot.

But the one thing I can't stand is when a guy who's probably never coached on any level say a man shouldn't be an NBA coach. What gives you the expertise to say such an asinine thing ? It's so much more to coaching than just scratching and scribbling on a erase board. 90% of coaching on any level is preparation and juggling ego's.

The only 3 solidified players in the backup rotation are Hill, Jamison and Sacre. I agree 100% with Brown on not knowing who the other two are. Blake has proven to be ineffective and plays scared more than anything. Meeks is who I always knew he was.........streaky. Anybody that thought he was gonna come here draining 3's had it all twisted.

It was a reason Mitch want's to keep that 15th slot open, just in case a mid season or trade deadline player pops out the weeds.

Well said, give the man a little bit more time.

Posted: **Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:32 pm**

EnigmaticProblem wrote:I agree with DEEP3CL, for the most part.

However, the proposition of Jamison manning the small forward position is a scary one. Every single player out there will eat him alive. If we really had a need at the small forward position, we should've gone after someone like Delfino, or Pietrus. I'd still absolutely love Pietrus on this squad. Moreover, I believe Hill is perfectly capable of playing back up center; he's a hustle player; a real banger/bruiser. That would've given Jamison minutes at power forward, and Ebanks continues to play small forward. So the second unit would goes as follows: Meeks(SG), Ebanks(SF), Jamison(PF), and Hill(C). I like Sacre, and want him on the final roster, but, I don't want to see him get significant minutes.

P.S., I'm not sold on Ebanks. I hope Douglas-Roberts makes the final roster, as well.

That's what scares me. The fact he didn't even watched tape on Jamison. Jamino simply CAN'T play at the 3.

The only way he can be productive is as a stretch-four simply because he can contribute without even touching the ball and the opposing team will be forced to adapt on his good days.

He can't guard the 3 and can't beat the 3, simple as that.

Posted: **Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:12 pm**

I think Jamison is getting run at the 3 because

Mike Brown wants to always have one of Gasol or Dwight on the floor at all times to create for others

I expect Dwight
Dwight
Hill
Jamison
Ebanks/Meeks/CDR
Blake

will be our bench. M Brown must think highly of J Hill and wants him to see major minutes. I know he can board and is good on defense I just hope he is money on the elbow jumper like Horace Grant was

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