If Kobe wanted to be traded....

PersianCeltic · Post #1 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:04 am

This is probably an extremely unlikely scenario but I've always been curious. If Kobe wanted to be traded what type of trade would you feel is fair given his age, star power etc. Are there any realistic trades that Lakers fans could live with or would it be devastating no matter what? Just thinking about a sort of similar situation as a Celtics fan if it that were to happen with Paul Pierce, I feel like I would be disappointed with any scenario outside of an unrealistic trade for a top 5 player.

Michael Lucky · Post #2 » by **Michael Lucky** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:14 am

Might be one of the few but if he wanted to be traded and there was a way to make the team better immediately i'd at the very least consider it. The problem is the matching of salaries considering how much he is set to make. Teams would either have to trade half their roster to make it match or give their worst contracts in return. Not to mention the lakers would have to get a good SG in return and there aren't many out there.

Kobe System · Post #3 » by **Kobe System** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:28 am

You really compared Kobe to Paul Pierce? :lol:

PersianCeltic · Post #4 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:39 am

Michael Lucky wrote:Might be one of the few but if he wanted to be traded and there was a way to make the team better immediately i'd at the very least consider it. The problem is the matching of salaries considering how much he is set to make. Teams would either have to trade half their roster to make it match or give their worst contracts in return. Not to mention the lakers would have to get a good SG in return and there aren't many out there.

How about this: Rudy Gay, Mike Conley, Darrel Aruther for Kobe, Steve Blake and two unprotected first round draft picks. http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6175199

PersianCeltic · Post #5 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:46 am

Kobe System wrote:You really compared Kobe to Paul Pierce?

For a Celtics fans, Kobe is similar to Pierce in that he has been our franchise player, has been with us since we drafted him, future hall of famer, we've won a championship with him and he will likely be the Celtics all time leading scorer. Yes he did not have the privilege of playing with a prime Shaq and would have won one more ring in 2009 if KG doesn't get injured (don't even try to tell me you would have won that series with a healthy KG). Also not to bring up a sore subject for me but he was pretty damn close to winning in 2010 against you guys as well without home court or a starting center for game 7.

Nanogeek · Post #6 » by **Nanogeek** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:50 am

PersianCeltic wrote:
Kobe System wrote:You really compared Kobe to Paul Pierce?

For a Celtics fans, Kobe is similar to Pierce in that he has been our franchise player, has been with us since we drafted him, future hall of famer, we've won a championship with him and he will likely be the Celtics all time leading scorer. Yes he did not have the privilege of playing with a prime Shaq and would have won one more ring in 2009 if KG doesn't get injured (don't even try to tell me you would have won that series with a healthy KG). Also not to bring up a sore subject for me but he was pretty damn close to winning in 2010 against you guys as well without home court or a starting center for game 7.

Come on man... every GM in the league (including Ainge) would take Kobe over Pierce.

PersianCeltic · Post #7 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:58 am

Nanogeek wrote:
PersianCeltic wrote:
Kobe System wrote:You really compared Kobe to Paul Pierce?

For a Celtics fans, Kobe is similar to Pierce in that he has been our franchise player, has been with us since we drafted him, future hall of famer, we've won a championship with him and he will likely be the Celtics all time leading scorer. Yes he did not have the privilege of playing with a prime Shaq and would have won one more ring in 2009 if KG doesn't get injured (don't even try to tell me you would have won that series with a healthy KG). Also not to bring up a sore subject for me but he was pretty damn close to winning in 2010 against you guys as well without home court or a starting center for game 7.

Come on man... every GM in the league (including Ainge) would take Kobe over Pierce.

I don't understand why this has become about Pierce VS Kobe. Reading comprehension for a few seems to be lacking. The similarity between Kobe getting traded from the Lakers and Pierce from the Celtics is the fact that they have been the best players for our teams that originally drafted them and are hall of famers won rings etc. Do you think Celtics fans are any less attached to Pierce than Lakers fans to Kobe? I was curious if there was a realistic trade for Kobe that fans could live with or would it be just feel too wrong. For me trading Paul Pierce even for a deal that seems like it is more than fair would never feel right. Only way would be something unrealistic which would ease the blow.

Kobe System · Post #8 » by **Kobe System** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:00 pm

PersianCeltic wrote:
Kobe System wrote:You really compared Kobe to Paul Pierce?

For a Celtics fans, Kobe is similar to Pierce in that he has been our franchise player, has been with us since we drafted him, future hall of famer, we've won a championship with him and he will likely be the Celtics all time leading scorer. Yes he did not have the privilege of playing with a prime Shaq and would have won one more ring in 2009 if KG doesn't get injured (don't even try to tell me you would have won that series with a healthy KG). Also not to bring up a sore subject for me but he was pretty damn close to winning in 2010 against you guys as well without home court or a starting center for game 7.

Dude please. You really have the nerve to come in here and whine about what could have been? If Bynum/Ariza wasn't injured, Pierce will still be ringless by now. See what I did there? :lol:

From Celtics point of view, Pierce = Kobe. For anybody else, it's not even close. Talent wise, not even close. Business wise, Pierce won't even give your franchise the revenue that Kobe brings to the Lakers.

Kobe System · Post #9 » by **Kobe System** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:02 pm

PersianCeltic wrote:I don't understand why this has become about Pierce VS Kobe. Reading comprehension for a few seems to be lacking. The similarity between Kobe getting traded from the Lakers and Pierce from the Celtics is the fact that they have been the best players for our teams that originally drafted them and are hall of famers won rings etc. Do you think Celtics fans are any less attached to Pierce than Lakers fans to Kobe? I was curious if there was a realistic trade for Kobe that fans could live with or would it be just feel too wrong. For me trading Paul Pierce even for a deal that seems like it is more than fair would never feel right. Only way would be something unrealistic which would ease the blow.

Check your first post.
You even compared Pierce to Kobe in this post. :lol:

ROballer · Post #10 » by **ROballer** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:03 pm

What's up with the Celtics fans starting stupid threads on the LAKERS board?

Did the hell froze over or what?

PersianCeltic · Post #11 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:17 pm

Honestly I want to post on the GB board but I can't for some reason. I don't understand what is so inflammatory about this question or confusing. If you don't want to be a part of the thread and think its stupid then why bother responding. I enjoy talking to fans of other teams and don't get defensive over uhhh nothing. Kobe has won tons of rings, MVP's, leading the league in scoring right now!! One of greats.
Baffling that you feel I am somehow disrespecting him. I was comparing the attachment of the player to the fans of the teams NOT who is the better player. I guess it is more interesting for a few of you to keep reiterating that Kobe is better than Pierce than to actually contribute to the topic of the thread. You are all welcome to post whatever you want on the Celtics board it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I'd actually read the question and try to answer it.

PersianCeltic · Post #12 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:20 pm

Kobe System wrote:
PersianCeltic wrote:I don't understand why this has become about Pierce VS Kobe. Reading comprehension for a few seems to be lacking. The similarity between Kobe getting traded from the Lakers and Pierce from the Celtics is the fact that they have been the best players for our teams that originally drafted them and are hall of famers won rings etc. Do you think Celtics fans are any less attached to Pierce than Lakers fans to Kobe? I was curious if there was a realistic trade for Kobe that fans could live with or would it be just feel too wrong. For me trading Paul Pierce even for a deal that seems like it is more than fair would never feel right. Only way would be something unrealistic which would ease the blow.

Check your first post.
You even compared Pierce to Kobe in this post.

Once again carefully read what I wrote. What am I comparing? Who is better or that the situation of trading them would be similar for fans.

Dr Aki · Post #13 » by **Dr Aki** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:38 pm

let bygones be bygones... dude just wants a solid answer.

what would we want? we'd want ownership's heads on a pike is what

PersianCeltic · Post #14 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:41 pm

Aki wrote:let bygones be bygones... dude just wants a solid answer.

what would we want? we'd want ownership's heads on a pike is what

OK THERE WE GO at least a logical response with passion too!

Kobe System · Post #15 » by **Kobe System** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:44 pm

PersianCeltic wrote:
Kobe System wrote:
PersianCeltic wrote:I don't understand why this has become about Pierce VS Kobe. Reading comprehension for a few seems to be lacking. The similarity between Kobe getting traded from the Lakers and Pierce from the Celtics is the fact that they have been the best players for our teams that originally drafted them and are hall of famers won rings etc. Do you think Celtics fans are any less attached to Pierce than Lakers fans to Kobe? I was curious if there was a realistic trade for Kobe that fans could live with or would it be just feel too wrong. For me trading Paul Pierce even for a deal that seems like it is more than fair would never feel right. Only way would be something unrealistic which would ease the blow.

Check your first post.
You even compared Pierce to Kobe in this post.

Once again carefully read what I wrote. What am I comparing? Who is better or that the situation of trading them would be similar for fans.

PersianCeltic wrote:Just thinking about a sort of similar situation as a Celtics fan if it that were to happen with Paul Pierce, I feel like I would be disappointed with any scenario outside of an unrealistic trade for a top 5 player.

PersianCeltic · Post #16 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:04 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Ok maybe I can help you out by translating into simpler terms. Similar situation in that Celtics fans are attached to their player because Pierce has been with the team his whole career. Kobe has been with his team his whole career. They can be light years away in talent but believe it or not fans usually get attached to their favorite players especially franchise ones. What you quoted is me saying this. I am not saying Pierce is better just loved by his fans... Each quote you use is reiterating this over and over. You are just not able to understand what I am writing or the question I am asking- I give up.

Michael Lucky · Post #17 » by **Michael Lucky** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:05 pm

a fight over who is more tardish towards kobe and pierce between Celtic fans and Laker fans. >> Just answer the question. lol

PersianCeltic · Post #18 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:07 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:a fight over who is more tardish towards kobe and pierce between Celtic fans and Laker fans. >> Just answer the question. lol

I have been asking the same question but it is getting lost because apparently I titled this thread Pierce is better than Kobe.

Kobe System · Post #19 » by **Kobe System** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:16 pm

PersianCeltic wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Ok maybe I can help you out by translating into simpler terms. Similar situation in that Celtics fans are attached to their player because Pierce has been with the team his whole career. Kobe has been with his team his whole career. They can be light years away in talent but believe it or not fans usually get attached to their favorite players especially franchise ones. What you quoted is me saying this. I am not saying Pierce is better just loved by his fans... Each quote you use is reiterating this over and over. You are just not able to understand what I am writing or the question I am asking- I give up.

COMPARING what Kobe is to the Lakers/ Pierce to Celtics and their trade value to the league.

You're question (thus, the topic) should end here:

PersianCeltic wrote:This is probably an extremely unlikely scenario but I've always been curious. If Kobe wanted to be traded what type of trade would you feel is fair given his age, star power etc. Are there any realistic trades that Lakers fans could live with or would it be devastating no matter what?

But you made this follow up:

PersianCeltic wrote:Just thinking about a sort of similar situation as a Celtics fan if it that were to happen with Paul Pierce, I feel like I would be disappointed with any scenario outside of an unrealistic trade for a top 5 player.

You should've posted a STRAIGHT question if you wanna get a STRAIGHT answer.

PersianCeltic · Post #20 » by **PersianCeltic** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:26 pm

The follow up is simply my personal relation to the situation. Which is the reason I posted this thread to begin with. Did not realize it was so confusing and difficult to understand what I was writing. Was looking for answers to see if they differed from my feelings about the franchise player for my team. Who knows the board could have said we would be fine trading him as long as we got player X. They could also say there is no way he should ever be traded for anyone. That was why I asked the question. You have pretty much said everything possible BUT answered anything about what I am asking.