Jamison and Nash defensively are ....

ahwi_quacoe · Post #1 » by **ahwi_quacoe** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:05 am

absolutely horrible .....

Lakers need to cut Jamison ASAP and give all his minutes to Earl clark... We play good D until Nash comes back into the game . This is pathetic

Post #2 » by **dockingsched** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:32 am

you misspelled kobe.

ahwi_quacoe · Post #3 » by **ahwi_quacoe** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:33 am

dockingsched wrote:you misspelled kobe.

At least he hits shots ... Jamison does absolutely nothing . How many wide open shots can you miss ?????

MiniMamba24 · Post #4 » by **MiniMamba24** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:35 am

ahwi_quacoe wrote:
dockingsched wrote:you misspelled kobe.

At least he hits shots ... Jamison does absolutely nothing . How many wide open shots can you miss ?????

you misspelled jacks up shots

LA_Sports · Post #5 » by **LA_Sports** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:29 am

ahwi_quacoe wrote:
dockingsched wrote:you misspelled kobe.

At least he hits shots ... Jamison does absolutely nothing . How many wide open shots can you miss ?????

Jamison shot 4-9 with absolutely no playing rhythm because he has been glued to the bench. I don't think he is great, but thinking cutting Jamison will solve the teams problems doesn't make sense.

Doormatt · Post #6 » by **Doormatt** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:33 am

jamison is actually horrible in general.

nash is better defensively than kobe.

these are things we mostly knew though, the real problem is that we are relying on them to carry us both defensively and offensively, we dont have role players who support them. i mean if you look at the heat, they play to their strengths and have role players who do the same. the lakers just dont have that.

ArC_man · Post #7 » by **ArC_man** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:45 am

Jamison pretty much scores at will going towards the basket. He's just flat out terrible shooting 3s I don't even understand why we're trying to use him as a stretch 4.

PandGneverfold · Post #8 » by **PandGneverfold** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:57 am

They are no worse than the rest of this team

Asianiac_24 · Post #9 » by **Asianiac_24** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:10 am

I don't know why we aren't putting Kobe on the opponent's ball handler for the whole game and have Nash play off-ball defense. Kobe's defense is so much better when he is playing on-ball.

HoopsIsLife · Post #10 » by **HoopsIsLife** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:23 am

I think Nash has been pretty good defensively so I've no idea what you're seeing. And this in a league where the PGs usually light it up almost every night anyway. Rarely is any elite PG (including Nash, of course) ever stopped from putting up pretty decent numbers no matter who guards him.

Any team who looks to their PG to be a lockdown defender in some endeavor to lead them to a title is sure to be dissapointed.

I mean, yeah, Tony Parker, well known for his elite defense. That's definitely the reason the Spurs have won the Championships they did in recent years. >>cough<<

Btw, that's not a slag on Parker or his defense. I think he has been one of the best PGs of the last 10 years. I'm just making a point.

Frankly, at this stage, I think Nash has been one of the better defenders on the team since returning, but he and the whole team have a long way to go.

Jamison, I don't know ... if he could start knocking down a few more of the open looks he is getting I would certainly not complain. I actually think he can come around. Dantoni needs to make up his mind about him.

Luxury · Post #11 » by **Luxury** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:22 am

Defensive rating of each player: (1 being the worst, 10 best, and 7 being average)

Nash: 6 fundamentally sound, but just not athletic enough
Kobe: 8 against big names, 3.0 against the rest. refuses to go thru screens, close on 3s, and get back in transition
MWP: 8.5 strong & quick still
Pau: 4 slow, lazy, not motivated
Dwight: 8.5 helps and rebounds but isn't DPOY D-12

Morris: 7 decent size and athleticism
Duhon: 6 sound but old
Jamison: 5.5 old, unathletic
Hill: 7.8 quick and hustles. need more size
Clark: 7.5 undersized but athletic
Meeks: 6.5 undersized but rotates, and tries to stay in front of his man
Sacre: 6 has ok size but lacks physical tools

Ok that was just my piece but you get the point. We all have knew this all season long cause we complained about it that long. While there are a couple of things that can be fixed, what we see on defense is really the final product.

We just don't have the personnel to defend.

Mitch has some work to do.

Imadogg · Post #12 » by **Imadogg** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:40 am

ArC_man wrote:Jamison pretty much scores at will going towards the basket. He's just flat out terrible shooting 3s I don't even understand why we're trying to use him as a stretch 4.

Not at will but pretty much what you said. I have no idea what Jamison/D'Antoni are thinking having him shoot 3s. When a guy knows how to shoot and is having a bad night, you can see shots roll off the rim or bounce out. When a guy sucks at 3s... Jamison.. you can see him clanging off the backboard or ricocheting off the rim. It's so sad to watch, just cuz he makes a few doesn't mean he should be shooting 3s. Dude can't even get close on wide open ones.

And if you're hating on Nash's defense then go kill Kobe. Nash is doing his job

tysonironmike · Post #13 » by **tysonironmike** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:41 am

Agreed with everything except Jamison is about 2 or less on your scale.

Every team he is on the court, All I see is guys scoring on him.

Wavy Q · Post #14 » by **Wavy Q** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:46 am

lol Kobe is pretty much -5 at defense

Doormatt · Post #15 » by **Doormatt** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:11 am

Luxury wrote:Defensive rating of each player: (1 being the worst, 10 best, and 7 being average)

Nash: 6 fundamentally sound, but just not athletic enough
Kobe: 8 against big names, 3.0 against the rest. refuses to go thru screens, close on 3s, and get back in transition
MWP: 8.5 strong & quick still
Pau: 4 slow, lazy, not motivated
Dwight: 8.5 helps and rebounds but isn't DPOY D-12

Morris: 7 decent size and athleticism
Duhon: 6 sound but old
Jamison: 5.5 old, unathletic
Hill: 7.8 quick and hustles. need more size
Clark: 7.5 undersized but athletic
Meeks: 6.5 undersized but rotates, and tries to stay in front of his man
Sacre: 6 has ok size but lacks physical tools

Ok that was just my piece but you get the point. We all have knew this all season long cause we complained about it that long. While there are a couple of things that can be fixed, what we see on defense is really the final product.

We just don't have the personnel to defend.

Mitch has some work to do.

lol morris isnt average and meeks is worse than kobe defensively.

GeneralNash · Post #16 » by **GeneralNash** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:45 am

I think Nash has been doing a decent job actually on the defensive end. Kobe sometimes loses his man. Jamison did a decent job defending in post against the spurs.

Post #17 » by **semi-sentient** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:36 pm

ahwi_quacoe wrote:
dockingsched wrote:you misspelled kobe.

At least he hits shots ... Jamison does absolutely nothing . How many wide open shots can you miss ?????

You started a thread about defense and now you're shifting to him at least hitting shots? The last time I checked Nash also hits shots while creating offense for others so why include him if you're going to make exceptions.

Kobe has been a liability on the defensive end more times than not this season. Nash started out playing well but these past few games he's been a liability as well. Same with Meeks.

Jamison, Pau, and Duhon have been liabilities non-stop.

This team is filled with defensive liabilities hence the reason we're among the leagues worst defensive teams.

DrewBynum77 · Post #18 » by **DrewBynum77** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:35 pm

Doormatt wrote:jamison is actually horrible in general.

nash is better defensively than kobe.

+1

Mamba Venom · Post #19 » by **Mamba Venom** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:08 pm

Nash D has been better than I thought. Jamison's has been far worse.

Luxury · Post #20 » by **Luxury** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:17 pm

Doormatt wrote:lol morris isnt average and meeks is worse than kobe defensively.

Morris not being average is your opinion, np.

Playing D with energy and pride, pressuring the ball, trying to run thru screens to stay infront of his man, closing out on 3s, and not being backed down easily against big guards -- that has got to be atleast average in my books.

Kobe, old, still has better physical tools than Meeks and only uses them against Big Names. But he does not rotate, does not close on 3s, does not box out, does not hustle, does not get back in transition, and this all accumulates to being better than Meeks -- who lacks physical tools to defend? Alright.