if howard leaves next year who's the blame?

Compton310 · Post #1 » by **Compton310** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:00 pm

we have no draft picks.. were not developing any young players.. are core group avg age is 35.. were totally screwed, who an what are gonna rebuild the team around?? who do you think should shoulder the most blame?

Dr Aki · Post #2 » by **Dr Aki** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:22 pm

duh, dwight

Compton310 · Post #3 » by **Compton310** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:36 pm

Aki wrote:duh, dwight

whatcha mean bro? why would you blame him

Post #4 » by **Kilroy** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:59 pm

I think I know where this is going...

AcecardZ · Post #5 » by **AcecardZ** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:00 pm

I really believe Dwight will stay... C'mon guys it's the Lakers that are going to be knocking on his door offering him a big fat contract to play Center for the Purple and Gold. It really doesn't get better than that does it?

If he leaves it's because he's not comfortable here. If that's the case I wish him well we'll move into he next superstar when the opportunity presents itself.

I am still very anxious to see a 100% Dwight play alongside Kobe and Nash. Hopefully next year we get that chance.... :pray:

XtotheDeezy · Post #6 » by **XtotheDeezy** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:18 pm

Jim Buss because his were the only actions that he could've controlled.

1. Dwight came back early from injury.
2. If we kept Bynum and he was injured, we'd be in the same free agent situation.
3. Kobe is what we're used to.
4. Gasol is injured/out-of-position.
5. Nash is out-of-position (has to share the ball with Kobe)
6. D'Antoni sucks and we knew that, but Buss didn't have to hire him.
7. Brown wasn't given a fair chance and Buss didn't have to fire him.

AcecardZ · Post #7 » by **AcecardZ** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:31 pm

Perhaps an argument can be made D'Antoni would be at least in part to blame for not putting a system in place that best utilizes a talent like Dwight. There have already been rumblings that Dwight isn't happy with MDA so hopefully Mike figures out how keep the big man happy and wanting to remain a Laker.

Post #8 » by **Kilroy** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:32 pm

If Dwight leaves, what difference does it make who's 'fault' it is?
And if Dwight leaves, how committed to this team was he?
So if Dwight leaves.... Who cares?

AcecardZ · Post #9 » by **AcecardZ** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:38 pm

Kilroy wrote:If Dwight leaves, what difference does it make who's 'fault' it is?
And if Dwight leaves, how committed to this team was he?
So if Dwight leaves.... Who cares?

Very true with perhaps the exception being what I mentioned above. He might love it here but feel MDA is absolutely the wrong coach for him. In which case I could see him wanting out. Imho Dwight >>>>>>>>>>> important than MDA..

XtotheDeezy · Post #10 » by **XtotheDeezy** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:40 pm

AcecardZ wrote:
Kilroy wrote:If Dwight leaves, what difference does it make who's 'fault' it is?
And if Dwight leaves, how committed to this team was he?
So if Dwight leaves.... Who cares?

Very true with perhaps the exception being what I mentioned above. He might love it here but feel MDA is absolutely the wrong coach for him. In which case I could see him wanting out. Imho Dwight >>>>>>>>>>> important than MDA..

Let us just hope that Jimmerson Buss feels the same way.

MelosSoreWrist · Post #11 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:02 pm

Compton310 wrote:we have no draft picks.. were not developing any young players.. are core group avg age is 35.. were totally screwed, who an what are gonna rebuild the team around?? who do you think should shoulder the most blame?

We reset the entire roster with a nearly two entire salary cap 2 seasons from now.

Next season we just bite the bullet with Pau, Kobe and Nash.

Post #12 » by **Danny Darko** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:03 pm

Is this really a who should point the finger at thread? awesome

Compton310 · Post #13 » by **Compton310** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:08 pm

Kilroy wrote:If Dwight leaves, what difference does it make who's 'fault' it is?
And if Dwight leaves, how committed to this team was he?
So if Dwight leaves.... Who cares?

it makes a world of difference who fault it was.. find out what makes him happy so he wanna stay wit the purple & gold.. bro i dont fully think you realize who he is.. when healthily an happy we have the most dominate big man in the game.. who can impact the game on both ends of court.. we have a dumbASS head coach who doesn't properly know how to utilize the talents we have.. an a even dumber owner jim who hired him in the first place. when phil jackson the holder of 12 championships was ready to step in... dude came back from back surgery an is willing to play wit a bum shoulder.. whatcha mean how committed is he :crazy:

.. who cares?? about 98% of laker nation i myself included

Post #14 » by **Slava** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:21 pm

Phil won 11 championships, not 12. If you count his playing days, he won 13.

desertlakerfan · Post #15 » by **desertlakerfan** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:49 pm

Kilroy wrote:If Dwight leaves, what difference does it make who's 'fault' it is?
And if Dwight leaves, how committed to this team was he?
So if Dwight leaves.... Who cares?

Someone will be fired if Dwight leaves, most likely Mitch. The discussion is, will he truly be at fault if he ends up taking the blame? I and others have held onto the belief that it's Jim Buss' decisions that are killing this franchise, and even if Mitch gets fired it'll be Jim who's at fault. There are others who have always defended Jim through each questionable decision starting from the hiring of Mike Brown over Brian Shaw. If Howard leaves, this will give the "anti Jim" crowd a heavy edge in the debate.

If he leaves it shows he wasn't committed of course, but at that point what would that matter? If he leaves because he wasn't committed, is everything ok? I surely don't think so, and would still be upset with management regardless of Howard's commitment level.

As for your last question, everyone who actually cares about the Lakers for starters. We've gone all in on Howard being the future for this franchise, if he leaves we'll be looking at the last year of Kobe and Pau(if he's sitll on the roster) being a potentially wasted season and have no young star talent to build around. Sure we'll likely sign some players since "we're the Lakers", but I see no reason to have faith that we'll be anything other than rebuilding for the next few years without a star player like Howard to build around.

Jetset · Post #16 » by **Jetset** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:52 pm

Compton310 wrote:
Kilroy wrote:If Dwight leaves, what difference does it make who's 'fault' it is?
And if Dwight leaves, how committed to this team was he?
So if Dwight leaves.... Who cares?

it makes a world of difference who fault it was.. find out what makes him happy so he wanna stay wit the purple & gold.. bro i dont fully think you realize who he is.. when healthily an happy we have the most dominate big man in the game.. who can impact the game on both ends of court.. we have a dumbASS head coach who doesn't properly know how to utilize the talents we have.. an a even dumber owner jim who hired him in the first place. when phil jackson the holder of 12 championships was ready to step in... dude came back from back surgery an is willing to play wit a bum shoulder.. whatcha mean how committed is he .. who cares?? about 98% of laker nation i myself included

we aren't the orlando magic. when you start catering to players you get **** like what happened dwight's last year in orlando. orlando is the reason why he's like he is right now, all whiny and weak minded. they babied him and gave him every thing he screamed for. he cried about not being treated at the same level of star as lebron, orlando caved in and catered to him. he wanted to be a "closer", orlando catered and put him in a closer role for a couple games (lol). he wanted a private plane, orlando gave him a private plane. tell me why should we continue that disturbing trend by finding out what makes him happy and catering to him? every man reaches a certain point where he needs to grow up, dwight's not the exception. even though he's 27, it's better late than never. we've already shown him it's not about dwight by not acting on him crying about touches or him calling for phil behind the scenes.

his maturation from a boy into a man starts right here, it's time for him to start taking responsibility and stop putting it on the organization he plays for. if he stays it's because he truthfully likes being a laker and he likes the city, and more importantly it'll be because he ass wasn't kissed. he leaves then all that shows is that he can't operate when things aren't going his way and that he's scared of adversity. so if he were to leave i'd have no problems with it because dwight's shown his true colors, what i would have a serious problem with is investing 100 million dollars and the franchise into a little boy.

as far as dwight being committed, he's already on the record having said "there's going to come a time when kobe's not going to be here and i'm going to have to step up. they brought me in here to carry the ship after he's gone and that's what i plan on doing". so if he leaves after saying that then he was never truly committed, was he?

leeprettyp · Post #17 » by **leeprettyp** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 6:23 pm

Kilroy wrote:If Dwight leaves, what difference does it make who's 'fault' it is?
And if Dwight leaves, how committed to this team was he?
So if Dwight leaves.... Who cares?

THISS!!! Man some of you forget what being a Laker fan is. If the guy leaves he wasnt meant to be the next big franchise guy here in the purp n gold. Do I want him to stay? Of course but if he still after all this time wants to play somewhere else so be it. We'll reload, we've been here before fellas .. After Magic retired and before Shaq and Kobe there was Terry Teagle, Sedale Threatt, Nick Van Exel, Vlade, Peeler, Eddie Jones, Doug Christe, and Elden Campbell. And to be honest in this new CBA with us already having the Cap space 2014 and also whatever's left over in 2015 we will be able to attract big name free agents. We're the Lake show we'll rebound

SMH getting tired of this same story/topic every week it seems
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/21627516/beset-by-injuries-trying-to-fit-with-lakers-howard-avoids-drama

Post #18 » by **TyCobb** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 7:12 pm

I don't care if he leaves or not.

Post #19 » by **Kilroy** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 7:53 pm

Dwight is not the next Shaq or Kareem or Wilt... He's not even the next Hakeem or Duncan.
If he worked real hard, focused and committed himself to it, he could be the next Russell maybe.

He's the best center in the league... A league with a hand-full of good Centers and 1 or 2 true Centers.

Don't buy into the 'Dwight is the future of the Lakers Franchise' hype. You could tell Mitch doesn't even believe that.

He's a great score and a nice piece of the puzzle, but I promise you, we're still looking for our future face of the franchise.

If Dwight leaves, it's Dwight's choice, and thus Dwight's 'fault.'
Why he made that choice doesn't matter.

CokeZero · Post #20 » by **CokeZero** » Fri Feb 1, 2013 8:46 pm

XtotheDeezy wrote:Jim Buss because his were the only actions that he could've controlled.

1. Dwight came back early from injury.
2. If we kept Bynum and he was injured, we'd be in the same free agent situation.
3. Kobe is what we're used to.
4. Gasol is injured/out-of-position.
5. Nash is out-of-position (has to share the ball with Kobe)
6. D'Antoni sucks and we knew that, but Buss didn't have to hire him.
7. Brown wasn't given a fair chance and Buss didn't have to fire him.

I agree with you on everything else but I don't know about 7. He was given all of training camp and he knew he had an all-star roster of players who had experience in completely different systems. He should've been able get them mesh together in those few months or atleast understand each others roles. And on top of than he had preseason to work with where the Lakers went 0-8. After all that preaching about he Princeton offense and the failure it resulted in he deserved to get fired. Honestly, if Brown continued coaching I think they would've been in exactly the same position.