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Hate to say this but hip injuries often times in athletes are a signal to a career coming to an end. Nash's abrupt departure in the kings game is leading me to believe the end of his career is creeping up a lot faster than we thought. I was hoping one more season after this one but it looks like he is almost about done.

A lot of athletes that suffer hip problems even in college usually end their careers shortly thereafter. We are talking NBA here. This is the beginning of the end for Nash and I am doubting him and questioning if he even should come back at this point...because he may hurt the team more than help them if he cannot play his game. He has given a valiant unquestionable effort.

Hope I am wrong. But hip problems are notorious for ending athletes careers.

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Dude. It was the beginning of the end the moment he put on the Lakers uni.

Nash from Phoenix retired one year ago.

Luckily for Steve no one will remember his stint with the Lakers. I'm already trying to forget this season and everything about it as soon as possible but it just won't end.

Doesn't seem too serious from what I understand. Just a little rest . Jordan Hill's hip problems are far more serious.

Optms wrote:Dude. It was the beginning of the end the moment he put on the Lakers uni.

Nash from Phoenix retired one year ago.

Luckily for Steve no one will remember his stint with the Lakers. I'm already trying to forget this season and everything about it as soon as possible but it just won't end.

Basketball reasons still haunt my dreams and I don't think that will ever end.

Dude don't get our hopes up, your **** with my emotions. As far as I'm concern Nash ain't going anywhere unfortunately. I might be a pisioner of the moment but if last game proved anything its the ball should stay in Kobe's and paus hands. Nash is getting paid too much and plays no defense to just be a spot up shooter. But we'll see what happens

Nash has always had hip problems. This is nothing new.

Can we cancel that contract lol

stunnar0b wrote:Dude don't get our hopes up, your **** with my emotions. As far as I'm concern Nash ain't going anywhere unfortunately. I might be a pisioner of the moment but if last game proved anything its the ball should stay in Kobe's and paus hands. Nash is getting paid too much and plays no defense to just be a spot up shooter. But we'll see what happens

We're f'd if Nash is on our roster next year and we have to pay him $9 mil.

And I agree with your assessment about Nash being little more than a spot up shooter at this point. His lack of D more than diminishes anything he provides for us on the offensive end. I'm angry our coaches couldn't see it sooner and did more to find another pg or use Darius Morris in more of a defensive role while Kobe did more of the ball handling.

I sound like a whiny bitch but this season has been a nightmare. Injury after injury after injury. I'll placate myself with this. If our guys had stayed healthy all year we could have been an extremely good team, but we were never going to win it all with this lineup until Dwight was > 90% and while we've seen flashes of what Dwight will be able to do for us next year he's far from the consistent player we need to be champions.

As I've mentioned previously and as I've now seen others mention I'd only like to see a few pieces of this team return next year. Those pieces are Kobe, Dwight and Clark. Everybody else can go as far as I'm concerned.

AcecardZ wrote:

stunnar0b wrote:Dude don't get our hopes up, your **** with my emotions. As far as I'm concern Nash ain't going anywhere unfortunately. I might be a pisioner of the moment but if last game proved anything its the ball should stay in Kobe's and paus hands. Nash is getting paid too much and plays no defense to just be a spot up shooter. But we'll see what happens

We're f'd if Nash is on our roster next year and we have to pay him $9 mil.

And I agree with your assessment about Nash being little more than a spot up shooter at this point. His lack of D more than diminishes anything he provides for us on the offensive end. I'm angry our coaches couldn't see it sooner and did more to find another of or use Darius Morris in more of a defensive role while Kobe did more of the ball handling.

I sound like a whiny bitch but this season been a nightmare. Injury after injury after injury. I'll placate myself with this. If our guys had stayed healthy all year we could have been an extremely good tea, but we were never going to win it all with this lineup until Dwight was > 90% and while we've seen flashes of what Dwight will be able to do for us next year he's far from the consistent player we needed to make a deep playoff run.

As I've mentioned previously and as I've now seen others mention I'd only like to see a few pieces of this team return next year. Those pieces are Kobe, Dwight and Clark. Everybody else can go as far as I'm concerned.

The problems this season have nothing to do with injuries. I can see its starting to become an excuse around here though.

And last game proved something? Against the Kings? Its nice they won but it could have gone either way. Here is a hint though...if Dwight actually plays hard on D the Lakers usually win. D in this league is about big man defense. The Lakers O was not great last night. Tunovers were low by the Lakers...but the Kings guards don't force turnovers or try to. The most I would read into this game is that maybe Dwight prefers not playing with Nash. I could see that and its a legitimate argument. The rest of the above argument is baseless.

AcecardZ wrote:

stunnar0b wrote:Dude don't get our hopes up, your **** with my emotions. As far as I'm concern Nash ain't going anywhere unfortunately. I might be a pisioner of the moment but if last game proved anything its the ball should stay in Kobe's and paus hands. Nash is getting paid too much and plays no defense to just be a spot up shooter. But we'll see what happens

We're f'd if Nash is on our roster next year and we have to pay him $9 mil.

And I agree with your assessment about Nash being little more than a spot up shooter at this point. His lack of D more than diminishes anything he provides for us on the offensive end. I'm angry our coaches couldn't see it sooner and did more to find another of or use Darius Morris in more of a defensive role while Kobe did more of the ball handling.

I sound like a whiny bitch but this season been a nightmare. Injury after injury after injury. I'll placate myself with this. If our guys had stayed healthy all year we could have been an extremely good tea, but we were never going to win it all with this lineup until Dwight was > 90% and while we've seen flashes of what Dwight will be able to do for us next year he's far from the consistent player we needed to make a deep playoff run.

As I've mentioned previously and as I've now seen others mention I'd only like to see a few pieces of this team return next year. Those pieces are Kobe, Dwight and Clark. Everybody else can go as far as I'm concerned.

This is true. Every starter has been sidelined this season...jordan hill, nash, gasol, all missing more than 22 games each. It has probably been the most injured prone season for quite some time. To say injuries have nothing to do with it is ignorant.

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stunnar0b wrote:Dude don't get our hopes up, your **** with my emotions. As far as I'm concern Nash ain't going anywhere unfortunately. I might be a pisioner of the moment but if last game proved anything its the ball should stay in Kobe's and paus hands. Nash is getting paid too much and plays no defense to just be a spot up shooter. But we'll see what happens

Not sure if you know this but when the lakers went on a run winning 17 of 21 games or so...that had to do with Nash being apart of that line up. To say he is a spot up shooter is ignorant as he has gotten 10 or more assists on quite a few occassions...and still creates for himself.

But hip injuries are career enders bottom line. Wouldn't be surprised if he is out for the season and announces retirement after this season.

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AcecardZ wrote:
As I've mentioned previously and as I've now seen others mention I'd only like to see a few pieces of this team return next year. Those pieces are Kobe, Dwight and Clark. Everybody else can go as far as I'm concerned.

. With everybody healthy we're prolly a 3-5 seed no doubt about that. This off season is going to be quite interesting to say the least. I really hope they flip gasol for some useful role players, not something stupid like salary dump or even amnesty. But the only players I want back are Dwight and Kobe and maybe Jordan hill. For the players coming In I want shooters and athleticism but we'll see what the front office has in stored

GeneralNash wrote:

stunnar0b wrote:Dude don't get our hopes up, your **** with my emotions. As far as I'm concern Nash ain't going anywhere unfortunately. I might be a pisioner of the moment but if last game proved anything its the ball should stay in Kobe's and paus hands. Nash is getting paid too much and plays no defense to just be a spot up shooter. But we'll see what happens

Not sure if you know this but when the lakers went on a run winning 17 of 21 games or so...that had to do with Nash being apart of that line up. To say he is a spot up shooter is ignorant as he has gotten 10 or more assists on quite a few occassions...and still creates for himself.

But hip injuries are career enders bottom line. Wouldn't be surprised if he is out for the season and announces retirement after this season.

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Even when he's dishing it off his defense is still horrible. With pau now in the lineup we need to play through our bigs and let pau make plays at the elbow. With pau and Kobe running the offense we really just need more defense at the one. Because can we just face it the ball needs to be in Kobe's hands, he doesn't know any other way to play thus rendering Nash as only a shooter most nights.

GeneralNash wrote:

AcecardZ wrote:

stunnar0b wrote:Dude don't get our hopes up, your **** with my emotions. As far as I'm concern Nash ain't going anywhere unfortunately. I might be a pisioner of the moment but if last game proved anything its the ball should stay in Kobe's and paus hands. Nash is getting paid too much and plays no defense to just be a spot up shooter. But we'll see what happens

We're f'd if Nash is on our roster next year and we have to pay him $9 mil.

And I agree with your assessment about Nash being little more than a spot up shooter at this point. His lack of D more than diminishes anything he provides for us on the offensive end. I'm angry our coaches couldn't see it sooner and did more to find another of or use Darius Morris in more of a defensive role while Kobe did more of the ball handling.

I sound like a whiny bitch but this season been a nightmare. Injury after injury after injury. I'll placate myself with this. If our guys had stayed healthy all year we could have been an extremely good tea, but we were never going to win it all with this lineup until Dwight was > 90% and while we've seen flashes of what Dwight will be able to do for us next year he's far from the consistent player we needed to make a deep playoff run.

As I've mentioned previously and as I've now seen others mention I'd only like to see a few pieces of this team return next year. Those pieces are Kobe, Dwight and Clark. Everybody else can go as far as I'm concerned.

This is true. Every starter has been sidelined this season...jordan hill, nash, gasol, all missing more than 22 games each. It has probably been the most injured prone season for quite some time. To say injuries have nothing to do with it is ignorant.

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The team has been playing poorly with even when they have a full roster. In a lot of ways having injuries helped...as guys have gotten to play and be more involved. It happens that way in the league. Again, injuries are not "the reason". Would a fully healthy team all year have led to a better record? yes. This team though has had bigger concerns then injuries all year.

Optms wrote:Dude. It was the beginning of the end the moment he put on the Lakers uni.

Nash from Phoenix retired one year ago.

Luckily for Steve no one will remember his stint with the Lakers. I'm already trying to forget this season and everything about it as soon as possible but it just won't end.

Yep....just like when you look on the back of a players trading card and see a guy like Clyde Frazier ending his career in Cleveland. All smart guys know is that he played his best years with the Knicks. You be like " damn I didn't know he played with the Cavs".

The end is never flattering,I didn't mind getting Steve but anybody should've known he wasn't starter material anymore. Playing 38-41 minutes a night is an exerting task on the body. We should've made Blake the starter from day 1 coming out of camp. But MDA has a super hard on for Nash so all he would've done is changed stuff up.

If Nash is smart he'd go to the bench next season if he wants to go out decently. Playing big minutes is going to destroy his already brittle body.

albasuna wrote:Nash has always had hip problems. This is nothing new.

Yeah it might not be nothing new, but dude is 39.....he ain't escaping Father Time off that fast this time. When you're 20 something you be like "whatever". This isn't something he's going to shake off.

stunnar0b wrote:

GeneralNash wrote:

stunnar0b wrote:Dude don't get our hopes up, your **** with my emotions. As far as I'm concern Nash ain't going anywhere unfortunately. I might be a pisioner of the moment but if last game proved anything its the ball should stay in Kobe's and paus hands. Nash is getting paid too much and plays no defense to just be a spot up shooter. But we'll see what happens

Not sure if you know this but when the lakers went on a run winning 17 of 21 games or so...that had to do with Nash being apart of that line up. To say he is a spot up shooter is ignorant as he has gotten 10 or more assists on quite a few occassions...and still creates for himself.

But hip injuries are career enders bottom line. Wouldn't be surprised if he is out for the season and announces retirement after this season.

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Even when he's dishing it off his defense is still horrible. With pau now in the lineup we need to play through our bigs and let pau make plays at the elbow. With pau and Kobe running the offense we really just need more defense at the one. Because can we just face it the ball needs to be in Kobe's hands, he doesn't know any other way to play thus rendering Nash as only a shooter most nights.

I'm still trying to see why people are fixated on Nash's defense. Why? Name me a game somewhat recently where you can say Nash's defense cost them the game. Just one. Because I can name games where Gasol, Dwight, and Kobe have cost the Lakers the game defensively.

The reason why we lose most nights is because we're getting lit on the perimeter.i understand it takes two players to defend the pick and roll but its up to the first player to make it somewhat uncomfortable so the opposing pg doesn't dictate what they're going to do every time. Which constantly leads to our defense being broken down. I think your undervaluing the importance of having a defensive pg, imagine if we had Avery Bradley locking down point guards fighting throw screen all day. How much better we've look

Good take Dantoni with him also. No more Phnx Suns influences on this team. Go back to what we're known for post play, post play, post play, and some more post play. The bonus on this team would be shooters and defensive players.

stunnar0b wrote:The reason why we lose most nights is because we're getting lit on the perimeter.i understand it takes two players to defend the pick and roll but its up to the first player to make it somewhat uncomfortable so the opposing pg doesn't dictate what they're going to do every time. Which constantly leads to our defense being broken down. I think your undervaluing the importance of having a defensive pg, imagine if we had Avery Bradley locking down point guards fighting throw screen all day. How much better we've look

Nope. Its the poor help and bad rotations. Defenders are always picked off on screens. Nothing you can do about it. How do you think Nash gets open all day long for open jumpers? As long as you have guys who are not lazy, stupid, and bigs who can protect the rim you can have good D. Again, what people are saying about Nash against modern philosophy in terms of what is needed for good defense.

Look at Cleveland in the Lebron years. They had terrible defenders but great defensive teams. Same with Chicago in recent years. Nate Robinson a good defender. Now look at the Spurs teams. The Spurs were always dominant on D until recent years. Why? Duncan was a dominant inside presence and they had a great wing defender in Bowen. But they always had Parker who considered below average.

I don't know why I'm bothering but I guess all this false information just gets annoying after awhile. Now, there is an issue with Nash on this team though and its not defense. He has no chemistry with Kobe/Howard on offense. He does not seem to fit. Howard hates bounce passes and Nash loves them. Kobe is an iso/post guy and both he and Nash like to have the ball in their hands.

Now I'm not saying being able to put some ball pressure on and contest shots is not important. There is just too much overvaluing it on these boards from the pg position. I maintain the issue is more "chemistry" and a "touches" issue then defense from the pg. Some players just don't give consistent effort on D.