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Lakers Fantasy Draft: KB89 Champion!!!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:57 am
by EArl
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Please rank these teams 1 and 2 based on who has the best combination of team chemistry, offense, defense, intangibles, and the gm's word. Everyone and anyone is welcomed to vote, you need not have a team in this contest to vote. Feel free to provide a 1-2 sentence explanation of your rankings if you wish.
Remember every player is in their prime.
Here are the rosters for your consideration:

KB89:
C - Shaquille O'Neal
PF - Dennis Rodman
SF - Ron Artest
SG - Lou Hudson
PG - Charlie Scott
6th Man - Antawn Jamison
Coach - Rick Carlisle

GM's Word
Spoiler:
This should be an easy victory for my team. Not only is my frontcourt significantly better, but so is my backcourt. Nick Van Exel was a hot head, a bit of a team cancer, a chucker, a player who was routinely benched despite being in his prime, and a guy that once traded the team saw an improvement to the tune of 3 straight championships. Nick was a flashy player, and a thrilling one to watch, but a great player he was not. He has a putrid career shooting percentage of 40%, and never once shot over 42% in a season. Despite this, he loved to shoot, often to the detriment of the team. He is not a player who knows his role and could play the role of the 4th best scorer on a team while in his prime. He would wreak havoc on this team by being a malcontent chucker who would ruin team chemistry. Trevor Ariza? He doesn’t even belong on a team based on my rankings. If the prime of your career is a 23 game sample size, that is hardly much of a prime. He is a role player, who since ditching the Lakers and entering his “prime” has been a 40% shooter, and a guy who’s convinced himself he’s a three point specialist despite shooting in the low 30%’s.

Now my backcourt may not have big names for casual NBA fans but they produced excellent results and don’t come with negative qualities like both Van Exel and Ariza do. Charlie Scott’s prime? 33, 5, and 5 with 45% shooting. Van Exel’s? 18, 9, and 3 while shooting 41%. Lou Hudson’s prime? 27, 6, and 4 shooting 48%. Ariza’s? 15, 6, and 4 shooting 39%. All-Star appearances: Scott+Hudson = 11. Van Exel+Ariza = 1. Scott and Hudson were flat out better players, both career and prime wise.

Now onto the frontcourt. There is no answer for stopping prime Shaq. He was as dominant of a player as the league has ever seen. He played his best when it mattered most, and did so against all levels of competitors. He excelled vs. other great bigs, such as Hakeem, Ewing, Duncan, Robinson, Yao, etc. and I have no doubt that he would thrive against Kareem. Rodman was one of the best defenders the league has ever seen, and the best rebounder. He would shut down Hairston, take away second chance opportunities by grabbing all the missed shots from Van Exel and Ariza, and provide many second chance opportunities for my lethal offensive team. He is a rare superstar that knew and accepted his role and excelled at areas of the game that may not be considered “sexy” but were absolutely crucial to the success of the teams he was on. He was eccentric, but he gave it his all when playing, and was routinely a huge piece to every single team he was on (which included 5 championships, 1 other Finals appearance, 3 other Conference Finals appearances, and only missing the Playoffs once). Ron Artest in his prime was the best wing defender the league has seen in quite some time, and would be able to match up with Wilkes. Luckily this team doesn’t possess other wing players Artest would have to help defend, so he could put all his effort into shutting down Wilkes. Jamison would provide an excellent spark off the bench, where he’s thrived before while in the prime of his career. And he’d be an excellent stretch four to pair with Shaq to help create space in the lane. Quite simply, this frontcourt is so dominant on defense that the strength of your team would be marginalized by its defensive capabilities.

My team has too much offensive fire power for your team to contain, has the upper hand at just about every position match up wise, would be the best defensive team ever put together, and is built around a player who was possibly the most dominant force the league has ever seen. Lastly, to quote my competitor Tyler "Defense and rebounding wins championships and playoff series". To which I couldn't agree more.

VS

TylersLakers:

PG: Nick Van Exel
SG: Trevor Ariza
SF: Jamaal Wilkes
PF: Happy Hairston
C: Kareem Abdul Jabbar
6th Man: Cliff Robinson

Coach: Mark Jackson
GM's Word
Spoiler:
On the offensive end, my team is just more balanced and coming down the stretch of a close game, I feel a lot more comfortable with one of the Retired Lakers and his silky smooth jump shot in Jamal Wilkes, another retired jersey and leading NBA scorer in Kareem, as well as the spot up shooting and athleticism of Trevor Ariza during the 2009 playoffs. Add in one of the quickest guards in NBA and Lakers history in Nick Van Exel to drive into the paint and create a shot for himself or his knock down shooters on the outside. Down the stretch of a close game I feel much more comfortable in Van Exel, Wilkes, Ariza and Kareem making shots (and free throws) than O'Neal, Artest, Jamison, etc. And while Shaq is a presence in the paint defensively, Abdul Jabbar's length and basketball IQ would be enough to keep himself out of foul trouble and dominate Shaq on the offensive end with his array of offensive moves. You want to double him? His post passing to Wilkes, Van Exel or Ariza on the outside will win out.

And while Mark Jackson is a younger coach, he has enough respect from his playing days to motivate this good mix of new age and old school talent.

Intangible wise, you know this mix of talent will blend together without imploding like how KB's team potentially does. And in a Lakers home game setting -- Ariza, Van Exel, Wilkes and Kareem were all fan favorites and more long term Lakers than KB's core of talent.



KB89 is the Lakers Fantasy Draft Champion!!!


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Thanks to all those that participated.
Hopefully we can do a better one next year.


An Amazon gift card seems like the way to go next year since it can be send via email.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft The Finals!! Everyone Please Vote!!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:00 am
by EArl
I vote Team KB89!! To big and Strong for Tylers team.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft The Finals!! Everyone Please Vote!!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:39 am
by ROballer
EArl wrote:I vote Team KB89!! To big and Strong for Tylers team.



Same

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:29 pm
by hermes
tyler

got to score the most points to win and he has kareem

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:14 pm
by dAdo dA dEvil
... i love kareem but i have to give this one to KB89 ...

... his front court is sick ... ^_^

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:44 pm
by ak7
KB89.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:34 pm
by Jee
tough choice, went with KAJ lineup. :hug:

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:58 am
by and1GS
Shaq and Dennis frontcourt is crazy intimidating, KB89 all day.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:04 am
by dockingsched
i feel like tyler's team has players that can really mesh off each other. shaq finally going up against an equal at center, and i hate the idea of rodman playing next to shaq allowing the defense to crowd the paint.

going with tyler.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:18 am
by MAMBAEMD
Tyler by a nose
Shaq would foul out against KAJ just on offensive fouls alone and there is no way he could defend the sweet skyhook
You then add Silk and Ariza...
I have to go with Tyler

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:11 am
by KB89
lakerRD wrote:Tyler by a nose
Shaq would foul out against KAJ just on offensive fouls alone and there is no way he could defend the sweet skyhook
You then add Silk and Ariza...
I have to go with Tyler


I think Ariza is by far the worst player of the 12 guys in this matchup, so that's puzzling to me.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:04 pm
by Mirjalovic
Ariza in his prime (LOL) can slowing down any perimeter guys KB's had, and shooting 3pt in respectable %

Kareem vs Shaq ? Its Kareem. Kareem will outsmart him on defense, and he would not need to bully his way to Shaq, just use his fitnesse.

Cliff > Jamison

Dennis or MWP could slowing down Wilkees or one of Tyler's big, but still Tylers has more threats.

Nick will kill KB's backcourt.

not Tyler team fan, but in this matchup, its Tyler.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:19 pm
by hermes
i'm not sure if this has been discussed but i think it needs to be brought up

kb's team is basically a ticking time bomb

rodman and artest are two grade a crazy people, two personalities like that on one team is like playing with some serious fire, something bound to go wrong and those two can snap like twig at any moment

and once that happens shaq will likely lose motivation and then kb's terrifying front court is gone

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:57 am
by dAdo dA dEvil
... Rodman and Artest are birds of the same feather therefore they will flock together ... ^_^

... kidding aside, they maybe crazy but on court they mean business ...

... KB's front court could take turns at guarding Kareem if someone is in foul trouble ... it won't be easy to guard Kareem and his sky hook but they could slow him down ... Rodman and Artest had shown that they could guard guys that are taller and bigger than them ... and these guys could really get into your head ...

... plus a prime Artest could really ball ... he could shoot 3s and drive into the lane (far from the MWP we see today) ...

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:49 am
by TyCobb
KB89. The only team good enough to beat mine. :)

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:03 am
by TylersLakers
hermes wrote:i'm not sure if this has been discussed but i think it needs to be brought up

kb's team is basically a ticking time bomb

rodman and artest are two grade a crazy people, two personalities like that on one team is like playing with some serious fire, something bound to go wrong and those two can snap like twig at any moment

and once that happens shaq will likely lose motivation and then kb's terrifying front court is gone


Brought this up in my coaches word but apparently no one considers an actual team. Also, I brought up the fact that my team really has more "Lakers." Jamison, Rodman, etc weren't playing with the Lakers in their prime. All my players, aside from Robinson, were with the Lakers during some of their great years.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:04 am
by TyCobb
I feel your pain brotha. I even had numbers on my side. :)

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: (The Finals) Everyone Please Vote!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:24 pm
by EArl
This one is over.

KB89 is the Lakers Fantasy Draft Champion!!!


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Thanks to all those that participated.
Hopefully we can do a better one next year.


An Amazon gift card seems like the way to go next year since it can be send via email.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: KB89 Champion!!!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:48 pm
by dockingsched
congrats kb89 and thanks to earl for the effort in organizing and running this, was fun.

Re: Lakers Fantasy Draft: KB89 Champion!!!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:09 pm
by hermes
and just think, kb almost didn't make it out of my bracket.....