The Pau Problem update: Pau fires shots at MD 10/13

myersia · Post #1 » by **myersia** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 5:39 pm

He has one of the highest expiring contracts in the league. He appears to be a shell of himself regardless of who he is playing with. Some have argued that it is the "system". However, Pau seems to enjoy shooting jumpers outside of posting up ironically. Let's be real this guy has been less than mediocre thus far this season. Which brings me to the topic. Should we trade him? If so, who would realistically take him?

I suggested a Pau for Spencer Hawes and T. Young trade. However, let's be real the 76ers probably won't trade with us due to receiving an injured Bynum. We can certainly play the season out with him but should we take a chance on youth if we can get something for him. Many argued last season that trading dwight would not have been beneficial. Now that dwight walked for nothing do we dare to do the same with Gasol?

Ckay · Post #2 » by **Ckay** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 5:59 pm

T. Young contract looks horrible tho

Post #3 » by **Kilroy** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 6:14 pm

I think the players we could acquire in trade wouldn't be as good as those we could just acquire in free agency...
So I think we should let him play out his contract and try to cash in after the year.

Either he get's motivated, and does what he can to overcome his physical limitations, or he get's buried at the end of the bench after Kaman and Hill.

He gets paid too much, but that's part of the plan... The only real drawback is that he's one of our starters... That's easily remedied.

ROballer · Post #4 » by **ROballer** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 6:14 pm

I'd take some picks and garbage expirings for him at this point,not sure even that's on the table tho

Him bringing some decent talent in return is questionable at this point ,even as an expiring .

Post #5 » by **crazyeights** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 6:20 pm

Kilroy wrote:I think the players we could acquire in trade wouldn't be as good as those we could just acquire in free agency...
So I think we should let him play out his contract and try to cash in after the year.

Either he get's motivated, and does what he can to overcome his physical limitations, or he get's buried at the end of the bench after Kaman and Hill.

He gets paid too much, but that's part of the plan... The only real drawback is that he's one of our starters... That's easily remedied.

That's not easily remedied. I just don't see Pau accepting a reserve role and not taking shots at the team. Didn't he get upset last season when we tried the same thing?

IMO, Pau will not go quietly. That's also why I think I don't want him to finish his contract out here if he not going to improve his play, I think it'll get ugly if we don't re-sign him or re-sign him for what he thinks he's worth.

Who knows, maybe he'll use more than one post-move next game.

BEazy · Post #6 » by **BEazy** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 6:41 pm

We just got to find a desperate team rebuilding. I mean 19 mil expiring contract is something we need to at least consider trading. That would be stupid on Mitch just to let him walk without nothing because we aren't guaranteed anything in return this offseason.

ballaholick · Post #7 » by **ballaholick** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 6:54 pm

Kilroy wrote:I think the players we could acquire in trade wouldn't be as good as those we could just acquire in free agency...
So I think we should let him play out his contract and try to cash in after the year.

Either he get's motivated, and does what he can to overcome his physical limitations, or he get's buried at the end of the bench after Kaman and Hill.

He gets paid too much, but that's part of the plan... The only real drawback is that he's one of our starters... That's easily remedied.

People think that the Lakers will sign good free agents in the offseason but in reality no one is leaving their current teams so if you can trade this piece of garbage now!!!!

ROballer · Post #8 » by **ROballer** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 6:57 pm

What about the "Nash problem"?

Per WT,he seems to not think about retirement and wants to play next year also

You need to retire Steve,c'mon now

Post #9 » by **crazyeights** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:02 pm

ROballer wrote:What about the "Nash problem"?

Per WT,he seems to not think about retirement and wants to play next year also

You need to retire Steve,c'mon now

If you were Steve Nash, had 9 M on the table and the slight slight prospect of the Lakers nabbing some key FAs or trades for next season...wouldn't you at this point still want to ride that out?

If he enjoys his life, is making good money, and desires to play, then no way is he retiring.

ROballer · Post #10 » by **ROballer** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:07 pm

crazyeights wrote:
ROballer wrote:What about the "Nash problem"?

Per WT,he seems to not think about retirement and wants to play next year also

You need to retire Steve,c'mon now

If you were Steve Nash, had 9 M on the table and the slight slight prospect of the Lakers nabbing some key FAs or trades for next season...wouldn't you at this point still want to ride that out?

If he enjoys his life, is making good money, and desires to play, then no way is he retiring.

Well,if I was owed 9 mil maybe not :lol:

....talking about my situation,if I was already a multi-milionaire not sure

As far as the other parts,there's not really an incentive at this point....the guy is old as dust and not healthy
His body is breaking down and it seems there's always a problem,he's playing always hurt......for how good of a player he was,he needs to show some pride and hang the boots....I'd hate to see the guy as a benchwarmer if he continues his struggles on the court ,he was too good of a player to go out like that

Post #11 » by **crazyeights** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:14 pm

ROballer wrote:
crazyeights wrote:
ROballer wrote:What about the "Nash problem"?

Per WT,he seems to not think about retirement and wants to play next year also

You need to retire Steve,c'mon now

If you were Steve Nash, had 9 M on the table and the slight slight prospect of the Lakers nabbing some key FAs or trades for next season...wouldn't you at this point still want to ride that out?

If he enjoys his life, is making good money, and desires to play, then no way is he retiring.

Well,if I was owed 9 mil maybe not ....talking about my situation,if I was already a multi-milionaire not sure

As far as the other parts,there's not really an incentive at this point....the guy is old as dust and not healthy
His body is breaking down and it seems there's always a problem,he's playing always hurt......for how good of a player he was,he needs to show some pride and hang the boots....I'd hate to see the guy as a benchwarmer if he continues his struggles on the court ,he was too good of a player to go out like that

TBH, I'd respect him less if he gave up 7 games into a season. Once Kobe gets back, Nash and Pau, will be used differently. Nash can still be productive offensively, IMO, with his shot, the problem is Pau is struggling posting up these younger guys and if we don't have a post-presence, then our whole gameplan falls flat on its face.

ROballer · Post #12 » by **ROballer** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:18 pm

Not saying retire now,but in the summer....if he continues to struggle health wise and simply can't produce on the court then why continue to play?Money would be the only incentive......

gotokyo · Post #13 » by **gotokyo** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:19 pm

Pau's expiring contract is 100x more valuable to us then trading him away for some overpaid, mediocre talent with a long term deal.

Post #14 » by **Slava** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 8:15 pm

I feel sorry for him, going out there game after game and getting embarrassed by guys he used to school no more than 3 seasons ago. He needs to retire gracefully or go back to Spain for his last few professional seasons.

DEEP3CL · Post #15 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 8:32 pm

I say just play it out with this dude, he's done it's clear to see he's done. There were 3 situations last night where we saw A.Davis barely jump to block his shots, and sadly the stunning part was seeing how little lift Pau even gets now on his shots.

But what's frustrating is when guys realize their athleticism is fading they usually adapt to the fundamental part of basketball, which Pau mentioned in his interview with the media but has failed to utilize. There was no drop steps, no up and under, no no reverse spins to set up counter moves. Pau just seems content to think he can shoot over guys. Hell Davis is what 20 or 21 ? The dude only used like less than 20% of his leaping ability to block his shots.

Nobody is trading for Pau, and truthfully I'm glad he's doing as awful as he's doing.....so when his contract is up he'll see he's not worth $19 million. He's barely worth half of that right now.

We have two options and both favor us.....either ride it out and let him expire on our watch or see if some desperate team who think they're close to contending wants to take him off our hands. Which we could say yeah for future 1st rounders.

It's a damn shame Kobe is gonna have to come back and crack the whip on his ass and yell at him just to get him to play worth a damn. Kobe is gonna have enough on his agenda just getting himself up to speed, now he's gotta deal with Pau.

Edrees · Post #16 » by **Edrees** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 9:14 pm

Trade him for either picks or let his contract expire, We aren't gonna win a championship with anyone we can trade him for, why bother being a playoff team if we can't be title contenders? I'd say trade for draft picks or keep him and hope he can get it together.

moonpie · Post #17 » by **moonpie** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 9:32 pm

I don't understand it either. Pau is supposed to be one of the most fundamentally sound players the game has ever seen and he's throwing up these weak ass flat footed hook shots? Where are the spin moves, the up and unders, the head fakes? This is not the Pau we know, and unfortunately I don't think the real Pau is ever coming back. Our best best is to dangle him to some contending team that thinks he'll be the missing piece or to some fringe playoff team looking to make it this year (however unlikely that is as I see multiple teams full on tanking later on in the year). We'd likely have to eat a few contracts but as long as they're within 2 years (expiring in 2015) I'd probably do it if it meant us getting another 14 pick.

loveshaq786 · Post #18 » by **loveshaq786** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 10:13 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:I say just play it out with this dude, he's done it's clear to see he's done. There were 3 situations last night where we saw A.Davis barely jump to block his shots, and sadly the stunning part was seeing how little lift Pau even gets now on his shots.

But what's frustrating is when guys realize their athleticism is fading they usually adapt to the fundamental part of basketball, which Pau mentioned in his interview with the media but has failed to utilize. There was no drop steps, no up and under, no no reverse spins to set up counter moves. Pau just seems content to think he can shoot over guys. Hell Davis is what 20 or 21 ? The dude only used like less than 20% of his leaping ability to block his shots.

Nobody is trading for Pau, and truthfully I'm glad he's doing as awful as he's doing.....so when his contract is up he'll see he's not worth $19 million. He's barely worth half of that right now.

We have two options and both favor us.....either ride it out and let him expire on our watch or see if some desperate team who think they're close to contending wants to take him off our hands. Which we could say yeah for future 1st rounders.

It's a damn shame Kobe is gonna have to come back and crack the whip on his ass and yell at him just to get him to play worth a damn. Kobe is gonna have enough on his agenda just getting himself up to speed, now he's gotta deal with Pau.

Love it

loveshaq786 · Post #19 » by **loveshaq786** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 10:14 pm

moonpie wrote:I don't understand it either. Pau is supposed to be one of the most fundamentally sound players the game has ever seen and he's throwing up these weak ass flat footed hook shots? Where are the spin moves, the up and unders, the head fakes? This is not the Pau we know, and unfortunately I don't think the real Pau is ever coming back. Our best best is to dangle him to some contending team that thinks he'll be the missing piece or to some fringe playoff team looking to make it this year (however unlikely that is as I see multiple teams full on tanking later on in the year). We'd likely have to eat a few contracts but as long as they're within 2 years (expiring in 2015) I'd probably do it if it meant us getting another 14 pick.

Love this as well

loveshaq786 · Post #20 » by **loveshaq786** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 10:17 pm

myersia wrote:He has one of the highest expiring contracts in the league. He appears to be a shell of himself regardless of who he is playing with. Some have argued that it is the "system". However, Pau seems to enjoy shooting jumpers outside of posting up ironically. Let's be real this guy has been less than mediocre thus far this season. Which brings me to the topic. Should we trade him? If so, who would realistically take him?

I suggested a Pau for Spencer Hawes and T. Young trade. However, let's be real the 76ers probably won't trade with us due to receiving an injured Bynum. We can certainly play the season out with him but should we take a chance on youth if we can get something for him. Many argued last season that trading dwight would not have been beneficial. Now that dwight walked for nothing do we dare to do the same with Gasol?

I love the trade, you think they will bite on hawes and turner for gasol? This hives us dome younger talent that are expiring. Also im sure Toronto would be fown to trade lowry for turner