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Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:39 pm
by kblo247
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lak ... pportunity
"I was actually good last game, I just couldn't get in there, I guess," Kaman said. "I don't know. I'm ready to go."

The 11-year veteran is averaging 8.3 points and 5.3 rebounds this season and started three games for L.A., however he had already begun to find himself on the outskirts of D'Antoni's rotation before the back injury.

Kaman played only six minutes in his most recent game action -- a 114-99 win over the Detroit Pistons -- going 1-for-4 from the field for two points to go with one rebound off the bench, while Jordan Hill put up career highs in points (24) and rebounds (17) in 36 minutes as the starter alongside Pau Gasol.

This isn't the first time Kaman has found himself searching for his role in his first season with the Lakers. The 11-year veteran performed well in the preseason before coming down with salmonella poisoning during the team's trip to China, causing him to miss 10 days of training camp and lose his spot in the starting lineup to Shawne Williams when the regular season opened.

"I thought I was playing pretty well before I got sick and then I come back and things are kind of changed for me," Kaman said. "I didn't plan on getting sick, it just happened. And then at the start of the regular season I thought I played pretty well and then we change all the lineups around."

Kaman spoke up after the Lakers' 105-103 win over the Atlanta Hawks on Nov. 3, clamoring for a shot to play alongside fellow big man Gasol on the court at the same time, a notion Gasol supported.

D'Antoni has adopted a bigger lineup, but it has been Gasol and Hill, not Gasol and Kaman, getting the minutes together.

"We've been up and down a little bit, but lately we've been up so I don't have anything to really complain about," Kaman said. "I obviously would like to play, but it's not in my control. I'm doing everything I can do. I'm trying to get ready and keep myself in good shape and do the extra work I'm supposed to and just be positive because things can change at any time."

D'Antoni has not discussed the decision with Kaman.

"I haven't had any conversations about it," Kaman said. "I just kind of keep going with it however it goes. I don't know, what am I going to say? 'Play me more' or 'Let me play'? I mean, if he wants to play me, he'll play me. He knows what I can do. Maybe he doesn't know what I can do. I don't know.

"I think he’s just kind of going with what's been working the last four or five games. We've got some good wins and guys have been playing pretty well. We've been moving the ball. It's just hard to say. I'm not in his head. I don't know. It's obviously frustrating for me, but I'm just going to keep being positive and if I got to be a cheerleader, I'll be a cheerleader. If I have to be helpful in practice, I'll be helpful in practice. I've been in this league long enough to know what I'm capable of and how I can help the team if given the opportunity."

D'Antoni unexpectedly gave eight of Hill's normal minutes to Robert Sacre on Wednesday after Sacre had appeared in only three of the Lakers' first 15 games.

"He can give us something that we need," D'Antoni said of Sacre, who collected one rebound, one block and two points during his short stint. "He gives us great interior defense. He's a big body. He's worked his behind off and he's getting more athletic. We've been talking about it for two weeks -- he can play. I've got to have enough courage to go ahead and [play him] and he earned to play again."

Kaman was sure to not peg himself against any of his teammates who are playing ahead of him.

"I'm not trying to steal nobody's minutes," Kaman said. "That's not my thing. I can't conscientiously go to Coach and say, 'Oh, I deserve to play over someone else or someone else.' I can't do that because Jordan has been playing really well and Pau has actually picked up his game his last 3-4 games. I'm just looking for opportunities. If it comes, it comes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I can't control that kind of stuff."

Kaman, who signed a one-year deal with the Lakers during the offseason worth about $3.2 million, said being benched was not what he envisioned when he joined the team.

"I was told certain things, but, it doesn't always work out that way," Kaman said. "I don't know if anybody anticipated Jordan to have the season that he's having so far, so I think the expectations were a little bit different for him and myself. I obviously knew what Pau was going to give them. He's been giving them that for years and so that spot's not something that's going to be available. That's his position, his minutes and he deserves that.

"Jordan has been playing awesome. He really has. He's been showing people the rebounding he has and the different things -- a guy diving to the basket full speed, on the rim. So, I'm really impressed with Jordan. I can't really say anything negative about him. But, it's tough. I came here for a reason and I want the opportunity to fulfill that. I can't control that and I just got to try to get back in better shape and I kind of got knocked down by the salmonella poisoning and the back, so I just kind of need to get back in the swing of things."

Asked about Kaman's status before the game, D'Antoni said he thought the 7-footer's back had healed but couldn't promise any playing time.

"We have a certain rotation and certain guys are not going to find a whole lot of minutes," D'Antoni said. "That makes it tough to get everybody in there."


Ugh, to think he was available yesterday and at Washington when Nene was punking those three to be blunt. Kaman should be getting at least 5 minutes from each of the 3 bigs. Feel bad for the guy like with Jamison, benched without a reason or explanation ... Let alone be stuck behind Sacre and Williams after sacrificing and coming here to play a role

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:20 am
by leeprettyp
lol its so obvious he's the latest player that Mike D is messing with

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:29 am
by Sofa King
Pretty bad when Sacre gets playing time over you. :lol:

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:47 am
by kblo247
Sofa King wrote:Pretty bad when Sacre gets playing time over you. :lol:

I like Rob but I mean damn that's like Tierre Brown playing over you

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:30 am
by Tee212
that sucks..cave was doing well.

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:16 pm
by Kobean
I'm ok with Sacre getting minutes, if I was him I'd be more upset that Williams is being played ahead of me...

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:41 pm
by ROballer
If I'd care too much about W/L I'd be blasting D'Antoni for his rotation
I'd reckon he cost us 2/3 wins with his stubborness to play certain players over others who could have done a better job

Look for him to play Hill limited mins again after his 1/9 FG game.....

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:52 pm
by aaron_gray
kaman can actually run p/r, problem is he chucks it like LA without actually making them

ROballer wrote:If I'd care too much about W/L I'd be blasting D'Antoni for his rotation
I'd reckon he cost us 2/3 wins with his stubborness to play certain players over others who could have done a better job

Look for him to play Hill limited mins again after his 1/9 FG game.....


Maple Jordan!

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:24 pm
by Slava
I loved the interior passing and two man game between Pau & Kaman. He could have been an excellent option when we struggled to score after getting a big lead in Brooklyn, instead Mike went for the Bald Jesus to stink up the floor.

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:43 pm
by leeprettyp
SlavaMedvedenko wrote:I loved the interior passing and two man game between Pau & Kaman. He could have been an excellent option when we struggled to score after getting a big lead in Brooklyn, instead Mike went for the Bald Jesus to stink up the floor.



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Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:08 pm
by Jajwanda
It's very possible they'll trade him for a PF later in the year. Hill's best minutes have come at the C position. It's not even close really, he's a much better play there so if you can get a guy to play Hill's PF minutes for Kaman that'd be a big improvement.

I think that's what D'Antoni is looking at right now. Hill is a monstrous plus 13 at the C spot, while he's a plus 1 at PF. Gasol is playing better than Kaman right now so if that's the case why play the least effective guy.

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:15 am
by milesfides
There must be something in the works....can't explain the discrepancy.

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:21 am
by Slava
I just think Mike did not want to play him on the road trip and now that Hill has an injury he doesn't have an option.

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:22 am
by Sofa King
Jajwanda wrote:It's very possible they'll trade him for a PF later in the year. Hill's best minutes have come at the C position. It's not even close really, he's a much better play there so if you can get a guy to play Hill's PF minutes for Kaman that'd be a big improvement.

I think that's what D'Antoni is looking at right now. Hill is a monstrous plus 13 at the C spot, while he's a plus 1 at PF. Gasol is playing better than Kaman right now so if that's the case why play the least effective guy.

Kaman > Sacre. Nuff said. :peace:

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:53 am
by Kilroy
Jordan Hill might be getting a little tired for his 30 minutes per game as a starter.
"He’s been a little tired and we try to give him a little extra time on the bench to get his pop back," coach Mike D'Antoni said. "He’s still playing but he played so well, I don’t know if he can continue to do that. You watch other teams now, they just try to face guard him and keep him off the boards, so they’ve adjusted to his style a little bit." We'll see how he does tonight, but his owners shouldn't panic even though his numbers have cooled off. Nov 29 - 8:13 PM


Could have been showcasing Hill? And maybe Hill ain't really injured.

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:55 am
by Jajwanda
Sofa King wrote:
Jajwanda wrote:It's very possible they'll trade him for a PF later in the year. Hill's best minutes have come at the C position. It's not even close really, he's a much better play there so if you can get a guy to play Hill's PF minutes for Kaman that'd be a big improvement.

I think that's what D'Antoni is looking at right now. Hill is a monstrous plus 13 at the C spot, while he's a plus 1 at PF. Gasol is playing better than Kaman right now so if that's the case why play the least effective guy.

Kaman > Sacre. Nuff said. :peace:


Sacre is still a capable third guy. In one way or another they'll try to realign the big men into something like:

PF- New PF, Williams, Kelly
C- Gasol, Hill, Sacre

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:22 pm
by Mirjalovic
Jajwanda wrote:
Sacre is still a capable third guy. In one way or another they'll try to realign the big men into something like:

PF- New PF, Williams, Kelly
C- Gasol, Hill, Sacre


No, he's not. Better look for a veteran who can rebound. I wont surprise if Sacre rebounding rate worse than Bargnani in advanced stats


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Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:28 pm
by One Love
Don't read too much into it... It takes DA twice as long to figure things out... I wanted Wesley, Hill & Pau to start in the 3rd game... Kaman > Sacre... DA loves his stretch PF, hence Williams is getting minutes...

Re: Chris Kaman, Welcome to Jamison's Doghouse

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:04 pm
by dAdo dA dEvil
... it makes me wonder how we see what's wrong and MDA can't seem to figure out waht it is .. :evil: