D'Antoni May Change Lineup

Tiesto_Lakers · Post #1 » by **Tiesto_Lakers** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 6:35 pm

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/ ... ing-lineup

I'm not sure why Sacre started in the first place, is Kaman injured or is he in the doghouse? Either way, I think Hill or Williams should be starting at PF and Gasol at C. Pau looked pretty horrible last night, and if he's gonna play like that, then he should just sit out. Once Nash returns I would instantly put him in the starting lineup because Blake plays a lot different when he shares the backcourt with Kobe. I would put this lineup out there:

G - Nash/Blake
G - Bryant/Meeks
F - Young/Henry
F - Williams/Johnson
C - Gasol/Hill

Post #2 » by **Kilroy** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 8:05 pm

I heard this and I was like, "Duh..."

I mean he has to change the lineup to figure out who works best with Kobe...

I think I'd try:
Meeks/Blake
X/Young
Kobe/Williams
Hill/Johnson
Gasol/Kaman or Sacre

Because I don't know if Nash is going to be back, and if he does come back, he's going to need just as much time to get right as Kobe.

jellybean8 · Post #3 » by **jellybean8** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:07 pm

Kilroy wrote:I heard this and I was like, "Duh..."

I mean he has to change the lineup to figure out who works best with Kobe...

I think I'd try:
Meeks/Blake
X/Young
Kobe/Williams
Hill/Johnson
Gasol/Kaman or Sacre

Because I don't know if Nash is going to be back, and if he does come back, he's going to need just as much time to get right as Kobe.

Oh god meeks guarding pgs would be horrible lol

One Love · Post #4 » by **One Love** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:18 pm

Is anyone really surprosed that DA is tweaking with something... Dude makes ALLOT of changes... Put Pau & Nash on ice to get better and do the following:

PG: Blake (6'3")
SG: Kobe (6'6")
SF: Johnson (6'7")
PF: Hill (6'10")
C: Kaman (7'0")

Let Young, Meeks & Xavier anchor the second unit... Kaman > Pau right now...

Post #5 » by **Kilroy** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:29 pm

jellybean8 wrote:
Kilroy wrote:I heard this and I was like, "Duh..."

I mean he has to change the lineup to figure out who works best with Kobe...

I think I'd try:
Meeks/Blake
X/Young
Kobe/Williams
Hill/Johnson
Gasol/Kaman or Sacre

Because I don't know if Nash is going to be back, and if he does come back, he's going to need just as much time to get right as Kobe.

Oh god meeks guarding pgs would be horrible lol

Who guards them now? Either Meeks or Blake... But Blake stinks next to Kobe and isn't really quick enough for the fastest guards anyway.
X may be able to help too...
So until we get Farmar back, and I'm not sure we can count on that, frankly, guarding PGs is going to be an issue no matter what.

Post #6 » by **crazyeights** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:56 pm

Anyone thinking this roster has a clearcut lineup, and criticizes MDA for not having figured it out is asking for a little too much, IMO.

There were those on this board saying how much guys like X, Blake, and Meeks were trash before the season started and now here we are debating who of these should be starting.

With the lack of star power on the court, this roster is really a puzzle, and I'm all for letting MDA figure it out, especially with Kobe into the mix again.

You can't have your starters score 23 points and the bench have 5 guys in double figures...it's absolutely nuts what's going on with this team.

Tiesto_Lakers · Post #7 » by **Tiesto_Lakers** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:11 pm

crazyeights wrote:You can't have your starters score 23 points and the bench have 5 guys in double figures...it's absolutely nuts what's going on with this team.

I agree, I honestly think our bench is better than our starters even with Kobe. Obviously as individuals the starters are better but we always seem to do better in the 2nd and 4th quarters than in the 1st and 3rd quarters.

Jajwanda · Post #8 » by **Jajwanda** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:55 am

Ya I smell a trade coming here around Dec. 15th for a traditional PF or another stretch PF, possibly Earl Clark. I think Williams will be the starter soon.

I would put Blake on the bench when Farmar returns, start Farmar to give Kobe a guy that can break down the defense, run the break, play the P and R but also take the pressure off of Kobe.

Then you put Blake on the bench where he can run teams into the ground via the P and R.

SlimShady83 · Post #9 » by **SlimShady83** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:11 am

Kaman apparently has back spasms of some sort which is why I believe sacre has started and I believe hill is dealing with some sort of injury's as well.

I think our entire bench should start at least to get a good head start, instead of letting our starters dig us into a hole

For those of you who were saying Kobe is done < He has only played 1 game < give it time and besides majority of us thought this season would be a wash out < so why has that changed all of a sudden < just because we are winning?

I'm still predicting 6-7th seed

ratra_1211 · Post #10 » by **ratra_1211** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:31 pm

i just wish we get a DECENT defensive C.. i'm fine with any lineup as long as that lineup doesn't include pau.. i mean, you guys saw him play right?

timdunkit · Post #11 » by **timdunkit** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:27 pm

Jordan Hill should be starting and Kaman needs to come back and play.

The starting line up should be Blake/Kobe/WJ/Hill/Pau. If your going to bench anyone, it should be Pau whose had very few good games. The teams tries way too hard to get Pau going even though he hasn't been delivering consistently.

Have Kobe goes bonkers to start the game and let him and Pau run the offense. Blake/WJ/Hill provide athleticism, rebounding and finishing skills to support Kobe/Pau. Let Young/Xavier come of the bench and when we get Farmar back, we'll have 3 guys who produce inconstently but you can count on 1-2 to show up every night.

The only time we should be running small-ball unit is with WJ. Watching SW is awful and D'antoni needs to give up his love for having 4 "3pt shooters" out there. You have to win some games playing defense and doing the other things. Shawne Williams is so awful (34% 3pt shooting, 49% TS, 9.8 PER) and is not worth giving up our rebounding advantage up for. He should be used only when their is a blowout.

Post #12 » by **crazyeights** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:37 pm

Apparently we're going with Blake/Meeks/Kobe/Williams/Pau.

Post #13 » by **Slava** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:49 pm

I wonder how much of that is situational to have Williams in to guard Channing Frye.

moonpie · Post #14 » by **moonpie** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:17 pm

^That too, but I think it's primarily to give more spacing around Kobe and to a lesser extent Pau. If Blake is going to be marginalized as a playmaker/ballhandler though, I would have him play primarily with the second unit since they don't have a PG.

Post #15 » by **crazyeights** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:32 pm

Was really disappointed Kobe was over-passing with Sunday's starters. He was obviously out there to score with Blake/Kobe/Wes/Pau/Sacre.

Really, for a guy with such a "big" BBIQ, he was sort of tone-deaf on what his role was...or maybe you can blame the coaching staff for not realizing we needed more scoring, at least until Kobe gets rolling again.

Post #16 » by **crazyeights** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:35 pm

timdunkit wrote:Jordan Hill should be starting and Kaman needs to come back and play.

We'll see, but either there's something weird going on with Kaman, or the Lakers are trying not to have him included in any trade discussions by stashing him away.

I believe it was McTen who tweeted a week or so ago how MDA said Kaman's back was acting up, then followed with a HMMM.

To me that says there's some monkey business going on, and by the way Kaman was playing, and for only 3M, I can see why the Lakers would be interested in keeping him (and maybe trading Pau).

GeorgeDillion · Post #17 » by **GeorgeDillion** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:50 pm

crazyeights wrote:Was really disappointed Kobe was over-passing with Sunday's starters. He was obviously out there to score with Blake/Kobe/Wes/Pau/Sacre.

Really, for a guy with such a "big" BBIQ, he was sort of tone-deaf on what his role was...or maybe you can blame the coaching staff for not realizing we needed more scoring, at least until Kobe gets rolling again.

You couldn't have honestly expected for Kobe who hasn't played in 8 months and has only been practicing 5 on 5 less than two weeks to go into scoring mode did you?

Give the man some time it's not like he spent the entire off season practicing with the team, played preseason and is still looking pedestrian.

Kobe passes too much never thought I would hear that one.

Jajwanda · Post #18 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:54 am

They may decide to go small. Possibly slotting Wesley Johnson as the backup 4 and starting 3. It would be similar to what they had at the beginning of the year with the exception that Johnson starts games at the 3. When you need two big guys Hill can play with Gasol.

Post #19 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:44 am

this is the lineup i've been expecting. kobe at sf, stretch 4

Post #20 » by **crazyeights** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:03 am

GeorgeDillion wrote:
crazyeights wrote:Was really disappointed Kobe was over-passing with Sunday's starters. He was obviously out there to score with Blake/Kobe/Wes/Pau/Sacre.

Really, for a guy with such a "big" BBIQ, he was sort of tone-deaf on what his role was...or maybe you can blame the coaching staff for not realizing we needed more scoring, at least until Kobe gets rolling again.

You couldn't have honestly expected for Kobe who hasn't played in 8 months and has only been practicing 5 on 5 less than two weeks to go into scoring mode did you?

Give the man some time it's not like he spent the entire off season practicing with the team, played preseason and is still looking pedestrian.

Kobe passes too much never thought I would hear that one.

He was passing too much with the likes of Blake/Wes/Pau/Sacre on his team. So either Kobe was over passing or the coaching staff made a huge miscalculation on his abilities.

You can understand a nuanced point can't you? It is possible for Kobe to over-pass. That also doesn't mean passing too much, it means making an extra pass that doesn't need to be made in the context of a single possession. He was either trying to prove he wouldn't disrupt the other guys' flow or was afraid to really shoot while testing his legs, regardless I was there and it was clear he was passing to our detriment.