Jerry West on the draft and state of the Lakers

Post #1 » by **Danny Darko** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:01 am

I thought this was a pretty good interview and it makes me nostalgic for Jerry's influence. I think Mitch is a wonderful GM, but I doubt he wields the kind of gravitas Jerry does.

Jerry West on Dan Patrick

also takes some shots at Phil as anything but a coach.

Dr Aki · Post #2 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:24 am

jerry west is a FO apologist, whudda thunk it

took a (albeit small) shot at kobe for voicing his displeasure.
took a shot at phil but gave him credit winning as much as he did
took a shot at spoilt fans for being uncaring critics who think they can do a better job than MDA
sympathetic towards management because our team plays hard but simply doesn't have the talent

TonyMontana · Post #3 » by **TonyMontana** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:27 am

He has SOME valid points. No much but some.

Im just glad he didn't say anything negative about MDA and Jim or some posters on here would disown him too while kicking him under the bus!!! LOL

Post #4 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:35 am

TonyMontana wrote:He has SOME valid points. No much but some.

Im just glad he didn't say anything negative about MDA and Jim or some posters on here would disown him too while kicking him under the bus!!! LOL

Right, he didn't... So the rest of you can... :thumbsup:

TonyMontana · Post #5 » by **TonyMontana** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:59 am

Kilroy wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:He has SOME valid points. No much but some.

Im just glad he didn't say anything negative about MDA and Jim or some posters on here would disown him too while kicking him under the bus!!! LOL

Right, he didn't... So the rest of you can...

My @#$% so and so is at full capacity right now with Jim MDA Nash and Howard. I don't have any more room for anyone else or I would have!! :wink:

Post #6 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:02 am

Isn't there some friction between PJ and West already? Time hasn't healed.

Post #7 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:06 am

TonyMontana wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:He has SOME valid points. No much but some.

Im just glad he didn't say anything negative about MDA and Jim or some posters on here would disown him too while kicking him under the bus!!! LOL

Right, he didn't... So the rest of you can...

My @#$% so and so is at full capacity right now with Jim MDA Nash and Howard. I don't have any more room for anyone else or I would have!!

TyCobb wrote:Isn't there some friction between PJ and West already? Time hasn't healed.

West doesn't seem to let go of a whole lot... Every time he talks about the Lakers he still seems upset he's not with them anymore and I get the feeling he pretty much directly blames Phil for that.

TonyMontana · Post #8 » by **TonyMontana** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:12 am

TyCobb wrote:Isn't there some friction between PJ and West already? Time hasn't healed.

Seriously this is some General Hospital SHT!! At least when we argue and bicker we go on community thread and kiss and make up!! loll

Post #9 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:05 am

TonyMontana wrote:He has SOME valid points. No much but some.

which one of his points wasn't valid?

Post #10 » by **Slava** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:50 am

That was a fantastic interview and this Dan Patrick guy seems so much more bearable than Colin Cowherd.

Post #11 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:13 am

dockingsched wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:He has SOME valid points. No much but some.

which one of his points wasn't valid?

Hell, upon reflection, he didn't even make that many points...

Lakers don't have talent?
Lakers did have talent?
Phil was a great coach?
Dr Buss was a great owner?
GMing is a full time job?

The only thing I thought was very interesting was the fact that Dr Buss was focused on the entertainment value of his team... Which I already knew, but it sounded like it may have been a bigger issue than I assumed...
I do remember after Phil's first run that the entertainment value of the Triangle, or lack of it... Seemed to be a sticking point...

Sedale Threatt · Post #12 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:10 am

I don't know why West was ever down on Phil before he showed up, but there's a great story about one of the beat reporters asking Jerry about hiring him after they blew up against the Spurs in 99.

Said Jerry (allegedly): F Phil Jackson.

The beat guy figured he misheard him, so he asked again.

Said Jerry, again: F Phil Jackson.

I guess either Buss got to him or he came to his senses.

Post #13 » by **Slava** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:17 am

I can't imagine Jerry West cursing!

Sedale Threatt · Post #14 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:55 pm

Oh yeah, he's got a legendary mouth. He is once alleged to have called a beat writer "(derogatory word for female genitalia, rhymes with bunt) face." Just surprising given how polite and gentlemanly he usually is. Love Jerry, but he's wound pretty tight. With good reason, if you've ever read his biographies.

Dr Aki · Post #15 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:58 pm

here in australia, i didn't even realise the c word was all that bad until i was sat down and explained to me that it was, so superfluous is it's usage here

TonyMontana · Post #16 » by **TonyMontana** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:22 pm

dockingsched wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:He has SOME valid points. No much but some.

which one of his points wasn't valid?

“It’s easy to criticize when you’re on the sidelines to criticize. It’s easy for fans, particularly players and ex-players to rant and criticize everything they do over there. But it doesn’t help.”

First of all he's not even on the Lakers sideline, he's in the GSW sideline.
Every true fan is entitled to voice his or hers opinion not matter how right or wrong they maybe.
The ex player that voiced his opinion was Magic and I know how you feel about him, but Magic right or wrong has shed his blood heart and soul for this franchise just as much as J.W has and he has every right to voice his opinion. Its okay with you and others when he supported Jim but now that he is voicing his displeasure he's the bad guy.
If a player in this case Kobe voices his opinion then who is J.W to say that he cant! Kobe is the team captain and the face of this franchise. If anything. Jim is no longer part of this org. The fans Magic and Kobe still are a part of this org. and its pretty wrong for J.W to basically say everybody needs to sthu and just go with the flow.

Post #17 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:30 pm

TonyMontana wrote:Every true fan is entitled to voice his or hers opinion not matter how right or wrong they maybe.

Sure, just not on RealGM. :censored:

Joking aside, I agree in principle, up until that opinion is so pervasively negative as to impact the relative enjoyment of other Laker fans...
I'm reading some comments lately that I swear are from guys that the only thing they like about the Lakers is Kobe, and everything else is ****... Including the future...

How often do you want to hear someone say "All hope is gone?" About anything...

TonyMontana · Post #18 » by **TonyMontana** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:15 pm

Kilroy wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:Every true fan is entitled to voice his or hers opinion not matter how right or wrong they maybe.

Sure, just not on RealGM.

Joking aside, I agree in principle, up until that opinion is so pervasively negative as to impact the relative enjoyment of other Laker fans...
I'm reading some comments lately that I swear are from guys that the only thing they like about the Lakers is Kobe, and everything else is ****... Including the future...

How often do you want to hear someone say "All hope is gone?" About anything...

Agree. There are some pretty dumb @#$%in idiots out there. Here, facebook, Lakernation etc.

Guys that know me know that I don't flip flop going with the flow b.s.
I don't think hope is gone. In fact I think Mitch has come through over and over again. I look at history but I look to the future but that's if there are plans in future.

Right now for the next two to three years (post Kobe) we don't really have anything bright shinning our way. But if I know Mitch I think he will the one that will make the right moves to make this team better. But again that's if Jim allows him to do his job.

On the other hand if Jim pulls a Al Davis on the Lakers like Al did to the Raiders then we are screwed for the next decade like Raiders have been.

That's what Im afraid of. Jim trying to prove his critics wrong that he can and he will succeed his fathers legacy and ends up hurting this franchise.

madmaxmedia · Post #19 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:20 pm

TonyMontana wrote:That's what Im afraid of. Jim trying to prove his critics wrong that he can and he will succeed his fathers legacy and ends up hurting this franchise.

Yeah, the funny thing is that if he wants to prove his critics wrong he needs to do the exact opposite- have some trust in the basketball people he has in place. He can still be involved in the discussions, but Mitch is the guy I trust on basketball decisions, not Jim or Jeanie...

Certain things still need to be the owner's call, for example big moves with severe luxury tax implications. But listen to your basketball people.

TonyMontana · Post #20 » by **TonyMontana** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:13 pm

One more thing I would like to add is.
If you think Jim Buss is facing criticism now, wait until The Clippers win a title. If and then they win which they look pretty dam good this year then all hell will break loose on Jim and Mitch!! And that day when the Clippers roll their parade down the Staples center and raise their banner in OUR building is when you know we are screwed. I hope that day will never come but its looks like they have a good chance at it.
I wonder if then Jerry is going to change his tune when that happens??