Gasol

[laduane1]

Is there any way to sign and trade him, Not have seen any info on that subject. Rather get something for him than nothing.

[dockingsched]

yes the lakers can sign n trade pau gasol. obviously a lot would need to fall into place for that to be possible. the only scenario that gives the lakers any leverage to demand anything in return is in the case of pau gasol wanting to sign with a team that doesn't have the ability to sign him outright. if pau wants to go to a team with cap or if he's is willing to sign for the MLE with a title contender all that leverage goes out the window.

for the lakers, the first consideration is if its a good use of their cap. remember, in a likely sign n trade, the other team has to return salary in order to make it work, meaning the lakers will be sacrificing a good chunk of their cap. it would be great if there was a team out there that had an unguarateed contract that the lakers could waive, but i don't think there's anything out there.

if the lakers decide that this is the best use of their cap, a scenario i've floated out there is pau wanting to go back to memphis. for pau he gets to join his brother and join a playoff contender ready to take the next step. memphis can use pau for two reasons, first to make memphis more desirable for marc gasol's impending free agency. second to create a safety net and some leverage against zach randolph's impending free agency.

as far as what trade might work, they have the 8mil expiring of tayshaun prince to match salaries, and they csn throw in the draft rights to whoever they pick with their #22 first round pick.

[ROballer]

I'd be down with that...better than losing Pau for nothing

[myersia]

yes the lakers can sign n trade pau gasol. obviously a lot would need to fall into place for that to be possible. the only scenario that gives the lakers any leverage to demand anything in return is in the case of pau gasol wanting to sign with a team that doesn't have the ability to sign him outright. if pau wants to go to a team with cap or if he's is willing to sign for the MLE with a title contender all that leverage goes out the window.

for the lakers, the first consideration is if its a good use of their cap. remember, in a likely sign n trade, the other team has to return salary in order to make it work, meaning the lakers will be sacrificing a good chunk of their cap. it would be great if there was a team out there that had an unguarateed contract that the lakers could waive, but i don't think there's anything out there.

if the lakers decide that this is the best use of their cap, a scenario i've floated out there is pau wanting to go back to memphis. for pau he gets to join his brother and join a playoff contender ready to take the next step. memphis can use pau for two reasons, first to make memphis more desirable for marc gasol's impending free agency. second to create a safety net and some leverage against zach randolph's impending free agency.

as far as what trade might work, they have the 8mil expiring of tayshaun prince to match salaries, and they csn throw in the draft rights to whoever they pick with their #22 first round pick.

deal. this seems so obvious that I hope it has been discussed as this is a major win for the grizzlies.

[myersia]

hey doc how do we get a trade exemption? can we from such a trade?

[dockingsched]

hey doc how do we get a trade exemption? can we from such a trade?

a trade exemption is created when you trade one player away for less salary than he makes. a recent example is lamar odom who was traded for no salary, therefore creating a trade exemption for the lakers worth his entire salary. the trade exemption is worth the difference between outgoing salary and incoming salary. for this coming summer, a trade exemption is probably going to be a bit useless. reason for that is trade exemptions count against the cap as a cap hold, so if you're planning to be under the cap, you will in basically all scenarios renounce the exemption so it doesn't count against you.

[myersia]

hey doc how do we get a trade exemption? can we from such a trade?

a trade exemption is created when you trade one player away for less salary than he makes. a recent example is lamar odom who was traded for no salary, therefore creating a trade exemption for the lakers worth his entire salary. the trade exemption is worth the difference between outgoing salary and incoming salary. for this coming summer, a trade exemption is probably going to be a bit useless. reason for that is trade exemptions count against the cap as a cap hold, so if you're planning to be under the cap, you will in basically all scenarios renounce the exemption so it doesn't count against you.

Thanks Doc. Hope we are talking to Memphis. A late pick from the Grizzlies could be useful especially if someone like Lavigne falls.

[Dr Aki]

hey doc how do we get a trade exemption? can we from such a trade?

a traded player exception is the exception that is used to trade players when teams are over the cap because they need to use an exception in order to absorb players' contracts

for example: team A trades 2 players (total 6 mil, assume contracts are 3 and 3) for team B's 1 player (7.5 mil)

team A creates two 3 mil exceptions (because they are sending out 6 mil) to absorb the 7.5 mil player, which is allowed because it is a simultaneous trade (more on this later) and team A can absorb up to 150% of salary they send out (salaries under 9.8 mil)

team B creates a 7.5 mil exception and uses 6 mil of that 7.5 mil exception to trade for the 2 players. Since TPEs can be split up to trade for multiple players, this also creates a 1.5 mil TPE

this is the TPE that we typically refer to.

this 1.5 mil TPE can be used in non-simultaneous trades and thus is NOT subject to simultaneous trade rules, ie. can't trade for up to 50% of total salary +/- 100k (ie. 2.35 mil) but only 100% +/- 100k (ie 1.6 mil)

TPEs (in fact, ALL exceptions) count towards the cap. that's why you have to renounce your exceptions before you have full access to your capspace (also why you don't see teams use their capspace, then have MLEs to utilise afterwards)

the only way the lakers can take advantage of TPEs is by already being over the cap, which prevents the advantage of having capspace in the first place

in the case of memphis, we are getting tayshaun prince in return for gasol, since we are under the cap, we use our capspace to absorb prince and not a TPE and therefore don't get an exception for gasol

[loveshaq786]

Do u guys think Milwaukee/philly would explore their first for gasol and 7th?

[ROballer]

Do u guys think Milwaukee/philly would explore their first for gasol and 7th?

Not a chance in hell(that's if Gasol would actually agree to go to Philly or Milawukee,which in itself is a no go from the start)

[Tiesto_Lakers]

I'd rather let him walk and gain the cap space to sign Lowry or Monroe, or both.

[Fresh360Waves]

Do u guys think Milwaukee/philly would explore their first for gasol and 7th?

Nope not at all. Both teams have a youth movement going on and aren't in a position to contend for a playoff spot.

[Fresh360Waves]

Blahhhh Tayshaun is so washed up now, but at least the Lakers would get a pick out of it which is all that matters.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

I'd rather let him walk and gain the cap space to sign Lowry or Monroe, or both.

My big turnoff with Lowry is that he stepped up big only in his contract year. Before that, he was lucky to even get a consistent starting spot. Dude seemed to not play at 100% potential until this season.

I just don't want one of those sucker deals, you know? Something like Rashard Lewis, where he got his max contract for one really good season, and then he returned to mediocrity.

[milesfides]

Memphis - doubt it. Marc responded to the rumor by saying he loves playing next to Zach and that pau would have to come off the bench. Not exactly a timing endorsement from his bro, but marc is right. Grizz will pay that much for pau to come off the bench? Doubt it.

I think a sign and trade is likely if pau wants to go to a legit contender. Not that many contenders have 10m cap space this summer.

So here's what I think:

1. Sign and trade w/ minny. Kevin love will be traded, Rubio wants to be a leader, and he has been outspoken about wanting pau on his team. Pau might be amenable to minny to be reunited with his National teammate, especially in light of very few choices of contending teams who want to trade for/ pay him. I don't think our 7th pick is good enough for a straight up trade with love, but I can see a 3-way happening so we get another 1st rounder (or sadly, a 2nd rounder).

2. Sign and trade with Knicks. Again, not a contender, but I think playing for Phil and in NY would be an acceptable compromise. Again, the difficulty is a straight up trade, lakers wouldn't want anything on the Knicks roster - I don't think. But if they can get a third team involved, it's possible.

3. One year deal with the lakers. I think this is fairly possible too. Pau actually didn't have a horrible year statistically - but the team itself was a mess. I think pau might take this year to prove his worth again - if the lakers do well, if kobe stays healthy, if we make the playoffs with pau in a major role - he could be raising his future contract by tens of millions as well as raise his desirability with contenders.

Personally I think Pau is an undervalued stock. He was relatively healthy, aside from freak vertigo. He's also not that old, and has no real history of debilitating injuries. He had nothing to real play for, esp under d'antoni. His D was weak but it always has been - and again, there was no accountability or incentive anyway. He could just as easily play his way back into a top 5 big man in the game because he's always relied on his considerable skill, as well as Kobe's foot in his ass for motivation, and if we have a coach who respects him and knows how to use him, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays for a one year.

[tviper]

I'd rather let him walk and gain the cap space to sign Lowry or Monroe, or both.

My big turnoff with Lowry is that he stepped up big only in his contract year. Before that, he was lucky to even get a consistent starting spot. Dude seemed to not play at 100% potential until this season.

I just don't want one of those sucker deals, you know? Something like Rashard Lewis, where he got his max contract for one really good season, and then he returned to mediocrity.

Agree. Lowry is 28. Monroe will be 24 in June. Go with youth in this case all other things being equal. I have to believe TOR will overpay Lowry to stay, whereas Monroe might be let go to clear up some space for wing players.

One comment on S&T possibilities for Pau. Besides the fact that, as doc said, you have to have salary coming back which would have to be an expiring or the like, the contract for the S&T has to be three years minimum. Really can't see anyone giving Pau three years at this stage of his career, at least under the current CBA.

[tviper]

Memphis - doubt it. Marc responded to the rumor by saying he loves playing next to Zach and that pau would have to come off the bench. Not exactly a timing endorsement from his bro, but marc is right. Grizz will pay that much for pau to come off the bench? Doubt it.

I think a sign and trade is likely if pau wants to go to a legit contender. Not that many contenders have 10m cap space this summer.

So here's what I think:

1. Sign and trade w/ minny. Kevin love will be traded, Rubio wants to be a leader, and he has been outspoken about wanting pau on his team. Pau might be amenable to minny to be reunited with his National teammate, especially in light of very few choices of contending teams who want to trade for/ pay him. I don't think our 7th pick is good enough for a straight up trade with love, but I can see a 3-way happening so we get another 1st rounder (or sadly, a 2nd rounder).

2. Sign and trade with Knicks. Again, not a contender, but I think playing for Phil and in NY would be an acceptable compromise. Again, the difficulty is a straight up trade, lakers wouldn't want anything on the Knicks roster - I don't think. But if they can get a third team involved, it's possible.

3. One year deal with the lakers. I think this is fairly possible too. Pau actually didn't have a horrible year statistically - but the team itself was a mess. I think pau might take this year to prove his worth again - if the lakers do well, if kobe stays healthy, if we make the playoffs with pau in a major role - he could be raising his future contract by tens of millions as well as raise his desirability with contenders.

Personally I think Pau is an undervalued stock. He was relatively healthy, aside from freak vertigo. He's also not that old, and has no real history of debilitating injuries. He had nothing to real play for, esp under d'antoni. His D was weak but it always has been - and again, there was no accountability or incentive anyway. He could just as easily play his way back into a top 5 big man in the game because he's always relied on his considerable skill, as well as Kobe's foot in his ass for motivation, and if we have a coach who respects him and knows how to use him, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays for a one year.

1. Can't follow this. So we trade Pau to MIN in a S&T and KLove comes back to LAL. But then you mention a third team for a pick. Who is LAL sending to this other team for a pick?

2. Can't S&T to Knicks unless Melo walks away for nothing, and even then it is very close. Remember that in order to receive a player in a S&T your team salary must be under the apron (4M over tax line) at the completion of the deal.

3. As I mentioned in another thread, there is no reason to sign Pau to a one year deal because it takes the slot of another FA such as Monroe, Lowry, Stephenson, etc.

As for your reasons for his being undervalued, he has been brittle the last few years, always with something, plays zero defense, and goes passive-aggressive when he is unhappy. He cannot "easily play his way back into a top 5 big man in the game" at least because he will be 34 and is a sieve on defense. Different from you, I would be stunned if he were back with the team and would be very disappointed in Mitch/Jim decision making going forward if such were the case.

[TylersLakers]

I'm hoping when he leaves we do complete a sign and trade. At least get a trade exception and a future pick.

[snaquille oatmeal]

hey Doc I thought the new bargaining agreement didn't allow sign and trades anymore

[tviper]

I'm hoping when he leaves we do complete a sign and trade. At least get a trade exception and a future pick.

this will not happen. see above. a trade exception only occurs when you trade a player for less than you take back. In this case, a S&T would only happen if a team wanted Pau without cap room or an exception. If they had cap room, under the new CBA, there is no reason for anyone to do a S&T because the contract terms for the player are the same.