Would Kobe make more than 48 million on the market?

tlifeset · Post #1 » by **tlifeset** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:18 am

Just wondering, since this contract extension keeps coming up in every media outlet known to man, if the group thinks Kobe would have commanded even more on the open market as an unrestricted free agent? And who the teams are that would have offered him a deal?

Ckay · Post #2 » by **Ckay** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:21 am

no one will

Post #3 » by **Kilroy** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:25 am

I think a lot of people would have been surprised by how much he would have commanded on the open market. Maybe he got a little more from the Lakers... But that's how it should be.

Post #4 » by **dockingsched** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:28 am

His market would probably be what teams like the bulls and rockets are offering melo right now, so he'd be taking 5-7 mil less than what he got.

myersia · Post #5 » by **myersia** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:28 am

Again...given the draw that Kobe is, I guarantee you he would have been offered a max or something crazy by another team. He had one bad season last year. He was injured. The year before he played out of his mind. Given his name, his basketball iq, his play, and his impact on the NBA...Kobe would have surely got some insane deals offered to him.

Laker_Kid · Post #6 » by **Laker_Kid** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:28 am

i think this topic needs to die. seriously.

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myersia · Post #7 » by **myersia** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:30 am

Laker_Kid wrote:i think this topic needs to die. seriously.

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agreed

Post #8 » by **dockingsched** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:31 am

myersia wrote:Again...given the draw that Kobe is, I guarantee you he would have been offered a max or something crazy by another team. He had one bad season last year. He was injured. The year before he played out of his mind. Given his name, his basketball iq, his play, and his impact on the NBA...Kobe would have surely got some insane deals offered to him.

There are a lot of teams that Kobe wouldn't even have given the time of day, so it's hard to know which teams would even have an opportunity to make an offer.

Post #9 » by **Kilroy** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:34 am

dockingsched wrote:His market would probably be what teams like the bulls and rockets are offering melo right now, so he'd be taking 5-7 mil less than what he got.

I think this is the ball park... Probably end up in a bidding war so maybe a few mil closer to what he ended up taking... Or an extra year or something... But regardless, I'm comfortable with the Lakers offering Kobe more to retire a Laker happy.

And I'm one of the few guys on here that wanted him traded when he said he'd play on Mars...

So I really don't understand the feelings everyone is developing about the contract. It's a done deal... They'll work it out like the always do...

myersia · Post #10 » by **myersia** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:36 am

dockingsched wrote:
myersia wrote:Again...given the draw that Kobe is, I guarantee you he would have been offered a max or something crazy by another team. He had one bad season last year. He was injured. The year before he played out of his mind. Given his name, his basketball iq, his play, and his impact on the NBA...Kobe would have surely got some insane deals offered to him.

There are a lot of teams that Kobe wouldn't even have given the time of day, so it's hard to know which teams would even have an opportunity to make an offer.

True. But it doesn't mean they wouldn't offer him a ridiculous offer. I could see the 76ers, Magic, Dallas to an extent, Charlotte, and Detroit offering Kobe a max contract. Obviously he wouldn't consider any of those teams outside of Philly and Dallas.

Sedale Threatt · Post #11 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:20 am

I know people have a ton of loyalty invested in Bryant, and rightfully so after all he's done for the franchise.

But here is the reality of the situation: He'll be 36 when the season starts, coming off two catastrophic injuries, with almost 55,000 career minutes including playoffs, at a position that emphasizes athletic ability, and a grand total of six competitive games over the last year in which he looked mediocre at best.

There is absolutely, positively no way a well-run franchise gives him probably even half of what the Lakers did on the open market. Zero. There's just too much risk involved. Certainly not a contender that could use a sure thing rather than a huge gamble with their cap space.

Is there a chance some rogue team would have given him a boatload to be a box office draw? Sure. But so what? Let somebody else make the mistake. Even worse was the fact we were bidding against ourselves. It was just a stupid, ill-conceived decision.

I don't even get the concept of rewarding him, or sending a message to the rest of the league with our generosity or whatever other pap people have told themselves to justify this deal.

The Lakers have paid him insanely well during his career -- almost $300 million even before this extension kicks in, at an average of almost $16 million per. Between that and consistently surrounding him with quality talent, nobody could ever look at our relationship with Bryant and say he hasn't been given anything but the very best treatment possible.

Wavy Q · Post #12 » by **Wavy Q** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:22 am

tbh the only justification i can think of for the contract is that he probably generates that in revenue and then some, as well as the PR disaster it would be trying to explain letting Kobe leave in free agency

Pointgod · Post #13 » by **Pointgod** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:25 am

Chris Bosh would get a max contract offer. You don't think Kobe would get a 2 year 40 million dollar offer at least? If he's over paid it's by about 3-4 million.

Post #14 » by **dockingsched** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:29 am

I think it was definitely all about pr. Fanbase was showing a lack of patience and loyalty, they couldn't afford to go the entire season and off season with the uncertainty of Kobe's future.

Sedale Threatt · Post #15 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:31 am

Wavy Q wrote:tbh the only justification i can think of for the contract is that he probably generates that in revenue and then some, as well as the PR disaster it would be trying to explain letting Kobe leave in free agency

And I frankly understand that. Personally, I would have no problem letting him or any other star leave. Shaq was probably my second-favorite Laker behind Magic, but as frustrating as the situation was, it was also clear that he had to go. So even though I wouldn't have had any hesitation showing Bryant the door, I recognize a lot of people are way more hardcore about him and their stars in general.

The thing is, I will never understand why they gave him so much. Why did he need some sort of reward when in fact he's been one of the most richly compensated athletes in the history of pro sports? Nobody views it as an insult that Duncan and Nowitzki have taken paycuts, and they mean every bit as much to their franchise as Kobe does to this one. Why would it have been in his case?

If you want to reward him, cut him a piece of the franchise when he's done, right after you retire his jersey and put a statue outside Staples. But when player compensation is directly tied into a team's ability to compete, you have to be more practical about your decision making.

Sedale Threatt · Post #16 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:33 am

dockingsched wrote:I think it was definitely all about pr. Fanbase was showing a lack of patience and loyalty, they couldn't afford to go the entire season and off season with the uncertainty of Kobe's future.

And a lot of people seem to have bought it. So, well played Lakers.

Roger Mexico · Post #17 » by **Roger Mexico** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:50 am

tlifeset wrote:Just wondering, since this contract extension keeps coming up in every media outlet known to man, if the group thinks Kobe would have commanded even more on the open market as an unrestricted free agent? And who the teams are that would have offered him a deal?

No. No one. You're welcome.

Post #18 » by **Slava** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:46 am

If we dangled Kobe like we did Pau we'd have a **** load of S&T options there. Teams like Sacto, Charlotte, NY & Brooklyn would all line up happily.

Post #19 » by **LLcoleJ** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 2:59 am

Slava wrote:If we dangled Kobe like we did Pau we'd have a **** load of S&T options there. Teams like Sacto, Charlotte, NY & Brooklyn would all line up happily.

You serious? I mean with the exception of NY where Kobe could go do a Phil/Fisher/Lamar? Reunion none of the other teams would touch him and vice versa.

Would he get paid on the on open market ...more? Definitely not. But his value on the Lakers for the Lakers by paying him that much is just plain and simple a great business move to usher out the last years of his career. If there are some basketball residual play left and if the team wants to go for FA's then who knows... anything is possible ( sorry for the Garnett line)

Take an Econ class people, study market trends, star power and the Lakers business model. And it's clear they made a sound business decision.

Post #20 » by **Slava** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 3:15 am

John Black wrote:
Slava wrote:If we dangled Kobe like we did Pau we'd have a **** load of S&T options there. Teams like Sacto, Charlotte, NY & Brooklyn would all line up happily.

You serious? I mean with the exception of NY where Kobe could go do a Phil/Fisher/Lamar? Reunion none of the other teams would touch him and vice versa.

Would he get paid on the on open market ...more? Definitely not. But his value on the Lakers for the Lakers by paying him that much is just plain and simple a great business move to usher out the last years of his career. If there are some basketball residual play left and if the team wants to go for FA's then who knows... anything is possible ( sorry for the Garnett line)

Take an Econ class people, study market trends, star power and the Lakers business model. And it's clear they made a sound business decision.

The Econ classes will tell you that if he makes money for lakers he'd make money anywhere he goes.

It'd be a statement signing for the Russian or the Indian in Sacramento or mj who's trying to rebrand the hornets and attract some interest.