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Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:17 pm
by EArl
An article summarizing the five thing Lakers trainer Gary Vitti thinks make Kobe who he is as a player and person.
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http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/140811ko ... ngs?cid=FBWhen we sat down with longtime Lakers trainer Gary Vitti last week, the subject of Kobe Bryant's chances to stay healthy in 2014-15 sparked Vitti's mind about the five things he thinks make Bryant the player he is:
•Extreme athleticism
•Extreme talent
•Outworks everybody
•Incredible toughness
•Intellectual brilliance
Those five things come with "stuff" that Vitti said Bryant would be the "first to admit."
Stuff like … being over-the-top competitive? Going after teammates who aren't bringing full effort? Being disgusted with any and every loss? Focusing 100 percent on being the best at basketball at the expense of everything else?
Depends who you ask. But the point is simple for Vitti. Whatever that "stuff" may be, it's worth it.
Here's the full quote:
Kobe Bryant is a brilliant basketball player. Kobe Bryant is a great athlete, but there were actually players that were more athletic than Kobe. So why him? It's in his mind and his heart and soul. He just has something about him that most people don't. No matter what you think of Kobe Bryant, he's extremely athletic, extremely talented, works harder than anyone else, is tough as nails and intellectually brilliant. You can't take those five things away from him. When you put them all together, you end up with a very, very successful person. Now, it comes with ‘stuff,’ and he'll be the first one to admit it, but wouldn't you rather have a guy that has those five things and deal with the ‘stuff’ than have a guy that doesn't have any ‘stuff’ but you’re trying to instill one of those five things in him. I'll take the dude with the five things.
As for the answer to that first question about Kobe's chances of staying healthy?
"I have 100 percent confidence that he'll be healthy because of the way he handles his body and the style of play that we'll compete at," said Vitti.
In two-and-a-half more months, we'll find out.
Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:38 am
by D Nice
He's been an inspiration for 18 years & counting...
Vitti (and others) have said all of this in the past but it's nice to have his thoughts collected in a single write-up. Thanks for posting.
Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:50 am
by Mirjalovic
I cant understand why smartass on PC board project Kobe as top 15 player NBA, and barely beat player like Dirk.
When all said and done, i believe public perception about Kobe will improve.. I dont find any reason why guy like Duncan is top 5 and Kobe only top 15. If anything both of them are equal. Its really what you have done lately
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Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:07 am
by D Nice
Mirjalovic wrote:I cant understand why smartass on PC board project Kobe as top 15 player NBA, and barely beat player like Dirk.
When all said and done, i believe public perception about Kobe will improve.. I dont find any reason why guy like Duncan is top 5 and Kobe only top 15. If anything both of them are equal. Its really what you have done lately
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Contrary to popular perception most of them are actually not that intelligent or particularly good at analysis (basketball or otherwise but especially with hoops).
The reason Kobe dropped so precipitously can be traced back to his regular season D-RAPM scores and personal dislike. Not much more to it than that.
Duncan finishing 5th was a little ridiculous. Should have been in the 7-9 range.
And the Kobe/Dirk thread was comically bad, and of course locked right after I made my last post.

Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:14 am
by EArl
The PC board is an interesting board to say the least. There are some good informative posters, but there are also a lot of guys that just don't like Kobe for whatever reason. A lot of them are also advance stats guys. I personally find it hard to quantify players to just arbitrary numbers created by others. At the end of the day you cant quantify real life situations no matter how hard you try. Take it from someone that has taken too many statistics classes in college.
Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:13 am
by KobeBryant24
Ughh i hate the " what have you done lately " nba fans lol ... I try not to even bother having an argument with them
Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:50 am
by CountTheirRings
Kobe is criminally underrated on these boards. Anyone who reduces this game down to advanced stat comparisons on paper is a fool. Kobe would destroy the vast majority of players ranked above him 1v1. Not to mention, his basketball IQ and skill set is GOAT caliber. Mesmerizing footwork, beautiful jump shot, unreal fadeaway, solid post game, decorated all-NBA defender, five-time champion, and remarkably efficient considering his degree of shot difficulty is arguably the most impressive of all time. Yeah, he's got a big ego, he's stubborn, and at times hard to work with, and he takes some unnecessarily difficult shots. So what..? Ranking him outside of the Top 10 is frankly disrespectful. In my opinion, it takes someone who has played the game and can appreciate the technicalities of basketball performance to truly assess talent in this game. Staring at a computer screen and reiterating stats on paper isn't a more valid means of conclusion.
Probably the wrong place for this rant, but the Kobe vs. Dirk thread made me facepalm hard, and the OP quote from Vitti made me appreciate him even more.
Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:33 pm
by dirtymike
Kobe has insufficient funds too??? I see NSF on my bank account all the time!
Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:20 pm
by Slava
This has the eerie familiarity of the promotion material from Mike Tyson's final few fights. I used to be a huge fan and would get amped because he could always talk a big fight but the in-ring performance was something entirely different.
I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than emotionally invested in a come back.
Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:16 pm
by semi-sentient
EArl wrote:The PC board is an interesting board to say the least. There are some good informative posters, but there are also a lot of guys that just don't like Kobe for whatever reason. A lot of them are also advance stats guys. I personally find it hard to quantify players to just arbitrary numbers created by others. At the end of the day you cant quantify real life situations no matter how hard you try. Take it from someone that has taken too many statistics classes in college.
I don't mind the use of statistics, but most posters on the PC board begin and end their argument with advanced stats and do very little actual analysis of players or games. They throw in an "eye test" comment just for good measure, but the reality is that most of them don't really remember what they saw or possibly don't even understand what they're looking at. It's a pretty frustrating trend to be perfectly honest. Not so much because that's how they analyse players but because they fiercely contest that they're right.
I noticed just how bad it had gotten when I started reviewing
Kobe's performance against the Pistons in 2004. Practically everyone there will say that Kobe had a horrible G1 because "10-27" or GmSc is the only thing they see, but in reality that was actually a great all-around game from him.
I understand why it happens to some extent. Who really has the time to go back and watch all those games? There's almost no way to avoid using stats exclusively unless you have nothing to do all day but watch old games. It's just annoying that people can't admit that they rely on stats exclusively.
Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:26 pm
by spree8
D Nice wrote:Mirjalovic wrote:I cant understand why smartass on PC board project Kobe as top 15 player NBA, and barely beat player like Dirk.
When all said and done, i believe public perception about Kobe will improve.. I dont find any reason why guy like Duncan is top 5 and Kobe only top 15. If anything both of them are equal. Its really what you have done lately
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Contrary to popular perception most of them are actually not that intelligent or particularly good at analysis (basketball or otherwise but especially with hoops).
The reason Kobe dropped so precipitously can be traced back to his regular season D-RAPM scores and personal dislike. Not much more to it than that.
Duncan finishing 5th was a little ridiculous. Should have been in the 7-9 range.
And the Kobe/Dirk thread was comically bad, and of course locked right after I made my last post.

It really pisses me off how they get so much praise lol. They really aren't as smart as they think. There are a couple, but for people to practically make them out to be professionals (to the point where they put down actual pros opinions in favor of these posters) is asinine. They are entirely stat driven as well. Seems to me that most of them have never picked up a basketball themselves.
Also, there are sooo many Kobe haters on these boards and they blatantly rank him as low as they can get away with. The best always get the most hate. Plus he's a Laker, which many team's fans hate because of their recent greatness and rich history.
Re: Kobe's Five Things NSFS
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:12 pm
by D Nice
spree8 wrote:D Nice wrote:Mirjalovic wrote:I cant understand why smartass on PC board project Kobe as top 15 player NBA, and barely beat player like Dirk.
When all said and done, i believe public perception about Kobe will improve.. I dont find any reason why guy like Duncan is top 5 and Kobe only top 15. If anything both of them are equal. Its really what you have done lately
Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
Contrary to popular perception most of them are actually not that intelligent or particularly good at analysis (basketball or otherwise but especially with hoops).
The reason Kobe dropped so precipitously can be traced back to his regular season D-RAPM scores and personal dislike. Not much more to it than that.
Duncan finishing 5th was a little ridiculous. Should have been in the 7-9 range.
And the Kobe/Dirk thread was comically bad, and of course locked right after I made my last post.

It really pisses me off how they get so much praise lol. They really aren't as smart as they think. There are a couple, but for people to practically make them out to be professionals (to the point where they put down actual pros opinions in favor of these posters) is asinine. They are entirely stat driven as well. Seems to me that most of them have never picked up a basketball themselves.
Also, there are sooo many Kobe haters on these boards and they blatantly rank him as low as they can get away with. The best always get the most hate. Plus he's a Laker, which many team's fans hate because of their recent greatness and rich history.
It's particularly funny because the way they try and utilize data is literally what I do FOR A LIVING, and (the best) people who manage money will always tell you to weigh fundamental analysis (pretty much) equal technical analysis (except when trading derivatives, and even then, event-modeling/dispersals are important), but they have a few intelligent people post data-permutations (mostly drza and elgee) and the rest vastly misinterpret these figures (often ignoring the same pitfalls those guys will actually caution people to be wary of) and hide behind "board intellectual superiority" when their flawed analysis does in fact get exposed.
If I didn't so enjoy talking hoops with TS, Doc, Elgee, Drza, Beast, Regul8r, Semi, Ardee, and maybe 4 or 5 others I'd probably avoid the board entirely. Unfortunately, it's getting to that point, the Kobe/Dirk thread getting locked after my last post was absurd considering they let the thread be necro'd and wallow in crap for several pages.
I suppose the simple answer would be to "block stupid posters," but then I end up only being able to read like 30% of threads and it becomes difficult to follow how they got from a to b, so, I had to go back and reduce my ignore list to only the most viscous of trolls.