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Has anyone taken a look at the list of SF available in FA this year? I mean, really look at it and remove the pipe dreams (LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler) from the scenario.

Al-Farouq Aminu (25) – $1.1MM player option
Luke Babbitt (26)
Matt Barnes (35) (N)
Corey Brewer (29)
Chase Budinger (27) – $5MM player option
Caron Butler (35) (N)
Rasual Butler (35)
DeMarre Carroll (29)
Omri Casspi (27)
Wilson Chandler (28) (N)
Chris Copeland (31) (R)
Robert Covington (25) (N)
Jae Crowder (25) (R)
Gigi Datome (28) (R)
Austin Daye (27) (N)
Luol Deng (30) – $10.15MM player option
Jared Dudley (30) – $4.25MM early termination option
James Ennis (25) (N)
Jeremy Evans (28)
Landry Fields (27)
Alonzo Gee (28)
Danny Granger (32) – $2.17MM player option
Draymond Green (25) (R)
Gerald Green (29)
Jeff Green (29) – $9.2MM player option
Jordan Hamilton (25) (N)
Tobias Harris (23) (R)
Robbie Hummel (25) (R)
Joe Ingles (28) (R)
Richard Jefferson (35)
Chris Johnson (25) (N)
Wesley Johnson (28)
James Jones (35)
Shawn Marion (37)
Cartier Martin (31) – $1.27MM player option
Luc Mbah a Moute (29)
Khris Middleton (24) (R)
Mike Miller (35) – $2.85MM player option
Elijah Millsap (28) (N)
Kostas Papanikolaou (25) (N) – $4.8MM team option
Paul Pierce (38) – $5.54MM player option
Tayshaun Prince (35)
Brandon Rush (30) – $1.27MM player option
JaKarr Sampson (22) (N)
Kyle Singler (27) (R)
Jeff Taylor (26) (R)
Lance Thomas (27)
Hedo Turkoglu (36)
Henry Walker (28) (N)
Travis Wear (25) (R)
Reggie Williams (29)
Dorell Wright (30)

Aside from a few guys who likely aren't coming here, that list is abysmal. And I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to go a full season with the Wes Johnson/Xavier Henry experiment again. Odds are Khris Middleton and Draymond Green are going to get their offers matched, so that leaves your best available Al-Farouq Aminu, Corey Brewer, DeMarre Carroll. Personally, I think Carroll and Aminu are going to get overpaid. I almost wonder if the Lakers would be better off moving Kobe to SF permanently, and try and get an upgrade at SG. Arron Afflalo would be a nice 3+D wing, and Wes Matthews could be a nice buy-low candidate.

I think we'll package picks and players to target Justin Anderson through the draft. He apparently has a draft promise from the Lakers but he'll surely not slip till #27. The free agency crop outside of Khris Middleton isn't really very exciting.

Slava wrote:I think we'll package picks and players to target Justin Anderson through the draft. He apparently has a draft promise from the Lakers but he'll surely not slip till #27. The free agency crop outside of Khris Middleton isn't really very exciting.

Very interesting, where did you read that?

ArC_man wrote:

Slava wrote:I think we'll package picks and players to target Justin Anderson through the draft. He apparently has a draft promise from the Lakers but he'll surely not slip till #27. The free agency crop outside of Khris Middleton isn't really very exciting.

Very interesting, where did you read that?

Not sure how credible but he writes for the Sixers basketball board, Liberty Ballers and a Philly fan posted this on the T&T board.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/610465443602649088[/tweet]

DeMarre Carroll seems like a solid option. Not great but solid and respectable. Team wouldnt be terrible on the wing on defense.

Tobias Harris and KJ McDaniels would be a great haul.

This is a hole that will most likely be filled next year. Not every hole is being filled this off season

dockingsched wrote:This is a hole that will most likely be filled next year. Not every hole is being filled this off season

That line of thinking happened last year and is why this team is to be blunt ... ****

You address the bigs, the wing, and the pg this summer.

There's no way any self respecting free agent comes near here the likes of KDs ilk if you don't. They have to get Harris (Not likely because Mitch is scared of rfa as is the buss family), Deng, Carroll, or Green. They can't bring trash like Wes back and dress it up to fans as oh he may pan out, it's just one more year.

They need a pg, be it via draft or free agency. There will be one of Mudiay/Russell here, and if they aren't here it shall be Rondo or Dragic. There's no bs chucking your pick for a backup ass pg you pay max money too for an end of the first round pick. They will have to get a real starting point guard, and it ain't Clarkson by default either

There is also no way in hell they don't go for a real big. It's either Okafor or signing at the very least a guy like Tyson/Hubbert if they can't get a max big. They won't sell bull **** like Ed Davis and 10mil for Jordan Hill to the fans, and they damn sure showed they can't flip that **** for assets or win with it.

They **** up last summer shunning the likes of Lowry, Thomas, Ariza, and so on, but now they going to be on blended knee and kiss some ass to get some actual real nba starting level talent in here to bolster the team so it is actually competing, can overcome Scott being a bad coach with no defensive motto, and can attract a star when the cap booms and every team in the league has space space.


They better damn well fill 3 holes this summer with the draft and free agency

Slava wrote:

ArC_man wrote:

Slava wrote:I think we'll package picks and players to target Justin Anderson through the draft. He apparently has a draft promise from the Lakers but he'll surely not slip till #27. The free agency crop outside of Khris Middleton isn't really very exciting.

Very interesting, where did you read that?

Not sure how credible but he writes for the Sixers basketball board, Liberty Ballers and a Philly fan posted this on the T&T board.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/610465443602649088[/tweet]

Best news I've heard all day really want this guy.

kblo247 wrote:

dockingsched wrote:This is a hole that will most likely be filled next year. Not every hole is being filled this off season

That line of thinking happened last year and is why this team is to be blunt ... ****

You address the bigs, the wing, and the pg this summer.

There's no way any self respecting free agent comes near here the likes of KDs ilk if you don't. They have to get Harris (Not likely because Mitch is scared of rfa as is the buss family), Deng, Carroll, or Green. They can't bring trash like Wes back and dress it up to fans as oh he may pan out, it's just one more year.

They need a pg, be it via draft or free agency. There will be one of Mudiay/Russell here, and if they aren't here it shall be Rondo or Dragic. There's no bs chucking your pick for a backup ass pg you pay max money too for an end of the first round pick. They will have to get a real starting point guard, and it ain't Clarkson by default either

There is also no way in hell they don't go for a real big. It's either Okafor or signing at the very least a guy like Tyson/Hubbert if they can't get a max big. They won't sell bull **** like Ed Davis and 10mil for Jordan Hill to the fans, and they damn sure showed they can't flip that **** for assets or win with it.

They **** up last summer shunning the likes of Lowry, Thomas, Ariza, and so on, but now they going to be on blended knee and kiss some ass to get some actual real nba starting level talent in here to bolster the team so it is actually competing, can overcome Scott being a bad coach with no defensive motto, and can attract a star when the cap booms and every team in the league has space space.


They better damn well fill 3 holes this summer with the draft and free agency

Yeah I pretty much disagree with your entire POV that the team should settle for what's available this summer.

You're pretty much complAining that the lakers now have cap flexbility and a top pick cause according to you in hindsight you'd still have them commit long term money to 3rd tier players that would've done what exactly?

dockingsched wrote:

kblo247 wrote:

dockingsched wrote:This is a hole that will most likely be filled next year. Not every hole is being filled this off season

That line of thinking happened last year and is why this team is to be blunt ... ****

You address the bigs, the wing, and the pg this summer.

There's no way any self respecting free agent comes near here the likes of KDs ilk if you don't. They have to get Harris (Not likely because Mitch is scared of rfa as is the buss family), Deng, Carroll, or Green. They can't bring trash like Wes back and dress it up to fans as oh he may pan out, it's just one more year.

They need a pg, be it via draft or free agency. There will be one of Mudiay/Russell here, and if they aren't here it shall be Rondo or Dragic. There's no bs chucking your pick for a backup ass pg you pay max money too for an end of the first round pick. They will have to get a real starting point guard, and it ain't Clarkson by default either

There is also no way in hell they don't go for a real big. It's either Okafor or signing at the very least a guy like Tyson/Hubbert if they can't get a max big. They won't sell bull **** like Ed Davis and 10mil for Jordan Hill to the fans, and they damn sure showed they can't flip that **** for assets or win with it.

They **** up last summer shunning the likes of Lowry, Thomas, Ariza, and so on, but now they going to be on blended knee and kiss some ass to get some actual real nba starting level talent in here to bolster the team so it is actually competing, can overcome Scott being a bad coach with no defensive motto, and can attract a star when the cap booms and every team in the league has space space.


They better damn well fill 3 holes this summer with the draft and free agency

Yeah I pretty much disagree with your entire POV that the team should settle for what's available this summer.

You're pretty much complAining that the lakers now have cap flexbility and a top pick cause according to you in hindsight you'd still have them commit long term money to 3rd tier players that would've done what exactly?

Flexibility won't matter if they don't make moves to field a good team. Not some Lin, Wes, hill, Ed, Nash mess. The lakers could have been relevant last year by stretching Nash. They could have very well have had 30mil in cap space and a room exception to field a team that actually competes while retaining Randle and Clarkson. The fact is they screwed up the offseason from players to coaches.

No one is coming here that's a real star to play with Wes Johnson. No one is coming to play with Julius Randle either. They will however come to play if you have guys like Lowry who are B players, much like Kyrie. We need an actual team. An actual team with actual nba starters. Place Kobe to the side, compare the rest of last years starters to even the likes of Luke Walton, and none of them are starters aside from Boozer. Lin wasn't a starter, Wes wasn't, Ed wasn't, price wasn't, and so on. We screwed Kobe, the fanbase, and our own chances to be relevant and viable as a destination by 16 with what we did last summer.

Yes, we lucked out. We lucked the **** out that Scott was such a horrible coach he ran Kobe in the ground, that Nash broke down in preseason over in the regular season, that Randle only played 15 minutes, and Nick broke the thumb on his shooting hand all so we could royally suck. We lucked out the players rejected cap smoothing which it was expected they would accept, but that ignores that because they did we are one of 30 teams all of whom have cap space in the league with the cap boom now when KD is free. We can't afford to suck, we can't afford to get stop gaps, hell the fanbase isn't buying that **** thus the falling ratings and losing the sellout streak.

We need actual talent, an actual core. And no Randle and Clarkson aren't a core, they can be part of something, but they haven't proven ****. One hasn't lasted 15 minutes at this level, and Mitch himself said it Clarkson got his numbers on a bad team, so it's not guaranteed it will transfer to a competing one. You have to have actual talent who compete night to night, who can push the young guys and show them how to win, and who can minimize Scott being one of the worst coaches in basketball history (2nd most loss all time for a coach who has coached 1000 games and multiple teams in the bottom of the league at d and with all time loss records). You can't expect Ed Davis to teach a guy a damn thing because he's not **** in the nba, he's a fourth big himself on a relevant team, not a starter, never the less a star or contributor. You need more than solely Kobe to force some damn ideal of what it takes to win.


This team needs a lead guard. A proven lead guard if you're selecting a big and hoping to play said big and Randle together when both are young and wet behind the years. That's either Dragic or Rondo on this market if you're not selecting Mudiay or Russell. They have to be ran in a 3 guard set with Kobe and Clarkson. Clarkson shouldn't be guaranteed to start, he's not even fisher/fox/Horry in 99 who had proven they could contribute and start on a winning team but had to be benched, he's proven nothing different than a guy like Tony wroten. He can develop I to something special and help contribute, maybe become a starter and key member, but he's not shown anything to be talked about as a must keeps at this stage.

You can't go into the nba this season with a wing depth that's based around Xavier Henry, Wes Johnson, and nothing else. That is trash. You get a 3 who can start on every team, who can defend, who is a contributor. Now the fact is we never go rfa so Harris, butler, Middleton and the like aren't relevant thoughts realistically to even ponder. That means you go for the 3 and d guy whose started on Atlanta, the proven wing starter sniper who does a little bit of everything in green, the mercenary and lite Ariza in Brewer, or the proven vet who has been an all star and wants to win while maybe sacrificing his scoring ala Metta and Iggy in Deng.

You got a very intriguing source at C. You can't go after Okafor or Towns, and that could end up like Shaq and Zo, or you can be forever laughed at like Bowie if they don't pan out. There's always the chance that they do become special and you hVe a piece to teach up to reach their potential and start here for 7-10 years which is the shelf like of a lakers center. If you choose to go with the lakers tradition and draft the small, there's not a better summer to do it. Tyson Chandler is a free agent and can implement some defense into this team. Roy Hibbert can be a free agent and spent this summer working with Kareem, and he falls in the rondo, need a new scene category, but also fits right in with what Bogut and Mozgov bring. There is the likes of Brook Lopez who is a free agent, can play but has an injury history. There is Aldridge, Marc, and DJ who are pipe, but if you get them, you look so much better. Hell there's even Greg Monroe.

The fact is this team needs actual starters who could start on multiple teams in this league, not just for us because they are trash and we are Penny punching and blowing smoke up people's butt about them panning out or how sound it is to waste cap space for pick 27 on a bum like like, or how their per 36 numbers mean they can be good while ignoring they can't play 36 minutes effectively in Hill. We need tangible talent. If you want to actually compete and to matter, especially when the cap jumps to 90mil next summer and everyone has space, and most teams with it has better and more proven pieces than you, you invest. It's not spending to spend, it's investing long term


Rondo/Clarkson
Kobe/Nick
Luol Deng
Randle/ Booz
Okafor / Tarik

Dragic / Clarkson
Kobe / Nick
Brewer
Randle / Booz
Okafor / Tarik

Clarkson / Mudiay or Russell
Kobe / Nick
Danny Green
Randle / Booz
Tyson or Hibbert / Tarik

Mudiay or Russel / Mo Williams for the room
Clarkson / Nick
Kobe
Randle / Tarik
Marc or DJ or Aldridge / Kufos with the rest of the max


Any of that is better long term investing than Wes, Ed, Lin, Kelly, Hill for another year. Just like stretching Nash and getting 3 of Deng, Thomas, Lowry, and Ariza makes us more competitive and appealing than last year. Kobe expires and you still have between 40-50 mil next summer to recruit talent to join proven talent

Jae Crowder would be a nice get but I don't see Boston letting him go. Other guys would be Kostas Papanak, KJ McDaniels, orJames Ennis. Young guys to build with


To spend money on I like Carroll

who would you reasonably (no hype) compare justin anderson to in the NBA right now? floor? ceiling?
i don't know how good he is, but he has the physique of corey maggette.

TheSpecialist wrote:who would you reasonably (no hype) compare justin anderson to in the NBA right now? floor? ceiling?
i don't know how good he is, but he has the physique of corey maggette.

I see a Trevor Ariza

Austincys21 wrote:

TheSpecialist wrote:who would you reasonably (no hype) compare justin anderson to in the NBA right now? floor? ceiling?
i don't know how good he is, but he has the physique of corey maggette.

I see a Trevor Ariza

wow that would be awesome...trevor ariza is one of my favorite players...and I hear justin anderson is a 3 and D specialist....some compare him to wes matthews?...

Trade jordan, swaggy, #27, #34 for ariza, kj McDaniels, #18, #32

We get our sfs..... get higher picks.

Sign Brandon knight, alexis a. and Tristan t..... that's a solid team

dockingsched wrote:

kblo247 wrote:

dockingsched wrote:This is a hole that will most likely be filled next year. Not every hole is being filled this off season

That line of thinking happened last year and is why this team is to be blunt ... ****

You address the bigs, the wing, and the pg this summer.

There's no way any self respecting free agent comes near here the likes of KDs ilk if you don't. They have to get Harris (Not likely because Mitch is scared of rfa as is the buss family), Deng, Carroll, or Green. They can't bring trash like Wes back and dress it up to fans as oh he may pan out, it's just one more year.

They need a pg, be it via draft or free agency. There will be one of Mudiay/Russell here, and if they aren't here it shall be Rondo or Dragic. There's no bs chucking your pick for a backup ass pg you pay max money too for an end of the first round pick. They will have to get a real starting point guard, and it ain't Clarkson by default either

There is also no way in hell they don't go for a real big. It's either Okafor or signing at the very least a guy like Tyson/Hubbert if they can't get a max big. They won't sell bull **** like Ed Davis and 10mil for Jordan Hill to the fans, and they damn sure showed they can't flip that **** for assets or win with it.

They **** up last summer shunning the likes of Lowry, Thomas, Ariza, and so on, but now they going to be on blended knee and kiss some ass to get some actual real nba starting level talent in here to bolster the team so it is actually competing, can overcome Scott being a bad coach with no defensive motto, and can attract a star when the cap booms and every team in the league has space space.


They better damn well fill 3 holes this summer with the draft and free agency

Yeah I pretty much disagree with your entire POV that the team should settle for what's available this summer.

You're pretty much complAining that the lakers now have cap flexbility and a top pick cause according to you in hindsight you'd still have them commit long term money to 3rd tier players that would've done what exactly?

He's right though. Not one poster has provided a realistic reason that any top tier free agent would sign here other than "We're the LAkers! We're awesome!" He's not complaining about cap flexibility but rather the lack of actually trying to put together a team. Resigning Jordan Hill and Nick Young to that god awful contract made no sense then or in the long run. Either we make significant moves this offseason or be settle in for a 3-5 year rebuild.

Anderson would be nice but I don't think he will be around at #27. We are going to have to trade up to get him. I wouldn't mind signing Danny Green for 4years/60million. I know it's over paying but, he is a great shooter, defender,is only 27 and has championship pedigree, so what do you want??? Then next season, he could slide over to shooting guard if we sign KD.

scoobs07 wrote:Anderson would be nice but I don't think he will be around at #27. We are going to have to trade up to get him. I wouldn't mind signing Danny Green for 4years/60million. I know it's over paying but, he is a great shooter, defender,is only 27 and has championship pedigree, so what do you want??? Then next season, he could slide over to shooting guard if we sign KD.

Waste of money....throw that kind of money at middleton and take your chance with bucks matching

loveshaq786 wrote:Trade jordan, swaggy, #27, #34 for ariza, kj McDaniels, #18, #32

We get our sfs..... get higher picks.

Sign Brandon knight, alexis a. and Tristan t..... that's a solid team

Lakers haven't approached a rfa since 91 ... No way they go after any of those cats in reality