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Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:01 am
by dockingsched
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20160117/la-lakers-byron-scott-not-satisfied-with-tarik-blacks-developmentBlack was never expected to post eye-popping numbers. He is in his second NBA season after going undrafted. But Scott reported he told Black he wants him to model his game after an NBA All-Rookie first team member (Denver forward Kenneth Faried), a Hall of Famer (Dennis Rodman) and a four-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year (Ben Wallace).
"He hasn't done that yet," Scott said. "They played balls out, full of energy and aggressive. They didn't care about the offensive end ...That's what he has to do to be an integral part of any team.
Even after Black posted six points six rebounds in the past two games amid Bass' absence with a right foot injury, Scott did not sound impressed. "He has been OK. What he gives me off the bench, I don't know," Scott said. "He hasn't done anything spectacular. But he hasn't done anything devastating where you say, lets send him down to the D-League. But when you're bringing guys off the bench. You want them to have an impact. He doesn't have that."
"I've shown that I've stayed prepared throughout this time," Black said. "I've stayed productive anytime that I've gotten."
It does not appear Scott feels the same way.
"I'm sure he was listening," Scott said about his offseason message. "But did he hear it? That's the question."
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:09 am
by Wavy Q
Im sick of how often Scott throws players under the bus in interviews.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:26 am
by Mirjalovic
How about Hibbert then ???
someone need to remind Scott that Black isn't a rookie.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:39 am
by Spens1
scott just needs to shut up. What the hell does hibbert do, hibbert doesn't even try and its evident
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:01 am
by SlimShady83
Scott really needs to go next season if we're going to develop players - Black is probably our best C/PF and yet barely gets playing time
#firescott
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:47 pm
by Kilroy
Not defending Scott, but the other night, when Scott gave Tarik a bunch of minutes, he looked really good for the first few and then looked like he hit a wall... He seems to lack stamina... Which is kind of a problem over half way through the season.
He'll probably never get Rodman-like tenacity, but setting that as a bar for him is a good thing IMO.
I was disappointed that Black didn't do more with the opportunity he got, so I'm not going to call out Scott on this one.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:06 pm
by Hank7
I guess one way to look at it is that BS feels that Tarik has the potential to make a difference, whereas guys like Sacre and Kelly get a pass from being publicly humiliated because they don't.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:51 pm
by warrenpeace
I totally agree with Byron.These guys are making a lot of money for doing something that all of us will and actually do for free. They should not be rewarded with minutes if they are not giving 100 percent, or if they have a losers mentality. Personally, I believe that having Byron as coach is the best thing that ever happen to Randle and D'Angelo. They are going to became better players because of Byron.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:58 pm
by dockingsched
Silver Screen and Roll took issue with Scott singling out Black, provides a look at how hard Black appears to work
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/1/17/10784836/la-lakers-byron-scott-tarik-black-balls-out
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:12 pm
by crazyeights
It's just so unprofessional for a coach to say that publicly about a player, especially one that doesn't have an attitude problem. From all accounts Tarik is a great guy. Scott is honestly a poor leader of men.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:53 pm
by WVlakerfan
As much s*** as Byron talks its a wonder he hasn't been beat up on the way to his car.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:55 pm
by Marionettetc
I was one of those "Give Scott a fair evaluation period" guys, but now it's become abundantly clear Scott is a terrible coach. Every time he says anything to the media, it sounds like he's parroting it and that he doesn't actually understand what he's saying.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:36 pm
by milesfides
Scott wastes talent because he thinks he's entitled to Hall of Famers at every position. Ed Davis and Jeremy Lin should still be Lakers, they were affordable quality rotation players and veterans who haven't even hit their prime years yet. Tarik Black has proven value: he rebounds and picks up points off hustle. His lack of height and lack of a complete game may preclude a starting frontcourt position, but he can still be a great hustle guy off the bench. He doesn't need to be Faried or Rodman. He just needs to be a consistent role player.
He can also have value in small ball lineups, he clearly has the athleticism to get up and down the floor. He can be an asset this way.
His game could also grow. He's young enough and still raw. He doesn't need to become an entirely different player and shoot threes. But he could grow in terms of knowing the game better; he can be a better passer, find his spots, draw fouls, learn defensive rotations, draw charges, etc. But he can't grow if he's not given an opportunity, with the right teammates, the right system, and the right coach.
Right now, Byron Scott is running garbage sets that degenerate into selfish play. It takes unselfish players with exceptional off-the-ball skills to play with Kobe, Lou, Nick, Clarkson, Randle, etc. right now. So far, it's Nance and Bass, but not everybody can be a Nance and Bass. Some players need to grow into that position. Black is one of those.
Black, like Kelly, will become quality role players on some team. Too bad it won't be ours, because our coach, from the beginning, does not know how to bring the best out of his players, which is one of the basic requirements of a coach. He does the opposite...he stunts them, he belittles them, then plays the victim - still can't fathom how an NBA coach said his own players would shoot him in the back. There's only one guy around here who's shooting people down.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:44 pm
by iamworthy
Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak really likes Coach Byron Scott's tough-love style with young playersCoach Byron Scott has unapologetically shown tough love toward the Lakers' younger players, continually cementing his old-school approach as the losses pile up at a historic rate.
He's told Julius Randle to grow up and stop pouting when he gets taken out of a game. He's been hard on rookie D'Angelo Russell, taking away his starting job last month (along with Randle's) and recently calling his playing style "young and dumb."
He was joking about the latter, but the serious-minded Scott has a fairly important backer — his boss.
"If you asked our young players, I think there would be a mutual respect, as you might expect maybe between a parent and a child," Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak told The Times on Sunday before the Lakers lost a slow-speed chase to the Utah Jazz, 86-74.
"In other words, I'm going to love you, I'm going to bring you along, but every now and then, I've got to teach you the right way to do things."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-kupchak-20160111-story.html
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:56 pm
by gts1
Well that's not the first time Black's effort level has been called out and it won't be his last I imagine. He does seem to go through spurts of trying hard then coasting.
Watched him last month in a D-league game and noticed the same thing. Not sure if he gets tired or just loses focus but it's something he'll have to work on.
Everyone complaining about about Scott calling him out in the media all I can say is Phil Jackson must have drove you crazy...lol
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Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:59 pm
by Sedale Threatt
You can be a critical, demanding hard-ass and be successful. See Gregg Popovich, who routinely made Tony Parker cry as a rookie and still gets on Tim Duncan's ass to this day. But I'm not sure I've ever heard Pop call out a player publicly -- he saves that for the sidelines and practices -- and I'm damn sure he's never hazed his own players. (See, dipsh*t kids backpacks for rookies, which still blows me away that an NBA coach would stoop to that.) Scott just strikes me as the worst kind of old-school -- inflexible and clueless, without any real investments in his players on a personal level, at which point you can get after them and they'll actually listen. Whenever we do turn this thing around, Byron isn't going to be the one on the sideline.
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:11 pm
by Sedale Threatt
warrenpeace wrote:I totally agree with Byron.These guys are making a lot of money for doing something that all of us will and actually do for free. They should not be rewarded with minutes if they are not giving 100 percent, or if they have a losers mentality. Personally, I believe that having Byron as coach is the best thing that ever happen to Randle and D'Angelo. They are going to became better players because of Byron.
If they're actually getting any real coaching...
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Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:11 pm
by Slava
This dip **** is going to set this franchise back a decade single handedly. Who the hell wants to play for him if we go into free agency with this clown as the head coach?
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:54 pm
by DS17
Slava wrote:This dip **** is going to set this franchise back a decade single handedly. Who the hell wants to play for him if we go into free agency with this clown as the head coach?
Don't worry, i doubt we keep him as coach next season, Scott Brooks would be a good candidate, Steve Kyler stated in his twitter.
Brooks is good with young players AND in addition he can attract KD
Re: Tarik Black doesn't play cause he doesn't give Rodman like effort
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:12 pm
by moonpie
To say Tarik lacks energy is in itself an extremely laughable and asinine statement. But answer me this: Does Roy Hibbert give you "Rodman-like" effort? Does Bass? Does Sacre?