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Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#1 » by TylersLakers » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:34 pm

With as god awful as we've been for the last couple years under Jim Buss and since Dr. Buss' passing, it's quite inevitable that one of three things happen over the course of the next 12 months. Now, you also have to understand the "3 Year Window" that's been cracked up in the media and as recent as last month, Jeanie Buss (our owner to the NBA) said she would hold Jim to that.


Buss Gone/Stepping Back This Summer:

In my opinion, this is the option that SHOULD happen. Enough is enough. There's some really good coaching candidates out there this summer and we need to sell them on the fact that our front office and organization runs smoothly just like any other competent NBA franchise. We can't have candidates worried and playing the "what if" game if they're fired a year from now once a new front office regime comes in. The fact that Jim and Jeanie Buss went public with their 3 year window was just one of the crucial mistakes made. First by Jim making public knowledge of it and second by Jeanie confirming that was the case.

If this is the action that's taken, there's a huge question that comes with it. Is Mitch Kupchak let go as well? And if he is, WHO are the candidates out on the market to replace him and Jim? Other than Mitch, Weaver from OKC and now Sam Hinkie, who is out there?

Or do we promote Mitch and give him complete control? This is what we should do.


Buss Gone Next Summer:

This is what I think the Lakers are going to do which will result in Byron Scott sticking around one more year. After Wednesday night, we'll figure this answer out very quickly if Byron Scott is not let go.

My opinion is this: Jeanie Buss (who IS the owner) wanted to give Jim the time to accomplish what their Dad wanted. Jeanie running the business side (which has been good) and Jim running the basketball side (which has been atrocious). They then mutually agreed on this three year time frame and Jim made the mistake of going public with it. Phil Jackson, not wanting to wait that long for a job that may or may not not be there, took the New York Knicks job with aspirations of bringing Championship basketball back to New York. He also worked in an out clause around the same time as Jim's three year plan -- Imagine that. My views are that barring some sort of miracle Lakers turnaround, Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak (and Byron) will be let go after next season and if Phil's disappointment continues in New York, he will then take over the Lakers basketball side and have complete control of everything and be the sole decision maker. If Phil has success this summer and next season with the Knicks, Jeanie will then hire someone else and hand the basketball car keys to them.


Lakers Turnaround, Big Run Next Season, Jim Buss Kept:

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Thoughts? What do you want to see happen with the front office and aside from Phil, Weaver and Mitch Kupchak, who are the candidates out there to take over a Head of Basketball Operations department?
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#2 » by Slava » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:46 pm

The CBA creates a level playing field in terms of player salaries but the Lakers still top the league in revenue and there is no cap to how much you can pay for coaching staff, sports science and analytics personnel. Considering that we are not even paying luxury tax now, if we put the $100 mil in annual operating profit to good work we can accumulate the best talent in terms of player development, European and international scouting, the best facilities and the most qualified analytics personnel, rather than some grad student from UCLA.

To drive all this forward we need a GM who has an understanding of how to set things from the ground up and leverage that investment into wins on the court. The current management is well past its time and its certainly time to turn a page with Kobe's exit.

If we can force the NBA and the rest of the league to put a cap on how much you can invest into non-player infrastructure, we'll truly have leveraged the stature of the franchise and the advertising revenue to good effect.
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#3 » by Kilroy » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:21 pm

I'm in the minority here... No.

The Buss' are the OWNERS... Any shakeup would be illusory at best, and a disaster at worst... Especially if Mitch had to fall on the sword...

Like it or not, the Buss family isn't selling the team and until they do, Jim Buss is going to have a say over what happens with the team.

I want to see what happens after Kobe's gone. And I'm not interested in a Laker team that forces Mitch out to accommodate Phil or whatever... So leave the FO alone and let's see what they can do this off season.

Lets see what happens in the lottery, let's see what we can do in Free Agency, and let's see who we can get to be coach...
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#4 » by ArC_man » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:24 pm

I'd rather keep Jim Buss for now, because the likely scenario when he leaves is:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241534/Knicks-Targeting-Players-Suited-For-Triangle-In-Offseason
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#5 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:28 pm

How do we KNOW who, exactly, is inept -- Kupchak or Jim Buss?

I can guess and say it's Jim Buss, but, objectively speaking, isn't he just an easy target?
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#6 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:35 pm

ArC_man wrote:I'd rather keep Jim Buss for now, because the likely scenario when he leaves is:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241534/Knicks-Targeting-Players-Suited-For-Triangle-In-Offseason

Nothing wrong with this, not at all.
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#7 » by The Skyhook » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:58 am

Can't see Jim stepping down which would mean any shake up would involve Mitch getting canned. Mitch has done a good job drafting and he's also pulled off some great trades when we had the resources to do so. Most people would tell you that we had no business landing Pau, Dwight, or Chris Paul in those trades yet he pulled them off. With Kobe retiring, this should be a clean slate for the front office.
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#8 » by TylersLakers » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:45 am

Slava wrote:The CBA creates a level playing field in terms of player salaries but the Lakers still top the league in revenue and there is no cap to how much you can pay for coaching staff, sports science and analytics personnel. Considering that we are not even paying luxury tax now, if we put the $100 mil in annual operating profit to good work we can accumulate the best talent in terms of player development, European and international scouting, the best facilities and the most qualified analytics personnel, rather than some grad student from UCLA.

To drive all this forward we need a GM who has an understanding of how to set things from the ground up and leverage that investment into wins on the court. The current management is well past its time and its certainly time to turn a page with Kobe's exit.

If we can force the NBA and the rest of the league to put a cap on how much you can invest into non-player infrastructure, we'll truly have leveraged the stature of the franchise and the advertising revenue to good effect.


Hard not to agree with this. I would elevate Mitch to President of Basketball Operations and hire the best scouting/analytics department possible. The new facility is coming next summer and it should be unreal.
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#9 » by gts1 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:10 am

Kilroy wrote:I'm in the minority here... No.

The Buss' are the OWNERS... Any shakeup would be illusory at best, and a disaster at worst... Especially if Mitch had to fall on the sword...

Like it or not, the Buss family isn't selling the team and until they do, Jim Buss is going to have a say over what happens with the team.

I want to see what happens after Kobe's gone. And I'm not interested in a Laker team that forces Mitch out to accommodate Phil or whatever... So leave the FO alone and let's see what they can do this off season.

Lets see what happens in the lottery, let's see what we can do in Free Agency, and let's see who we can get to be coach...


This...

I'll go to my grave thinking Jerry Buss was the greatest owner in sports, it's a hard act to follow if not impossible but it was an act it seems we conveniently forget made some blunders, it was under the good Dr's helm that Kobe demanded a trade because the team was so poorly built... He wasn't infallible by any means, there were more than a few bad moves under his watch... Biggest difference is he could fix his errors with his wallet, if something went bad he could buy his way out of it, a luxury the new CBA has taken away from the team now
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#10 » by Danny Darko » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:00 am

I could not find a link, but ESPN LA Radio played audio of Jim again saying that next year he thinks we'll compete in the west for 2nd round or better. Quite frankly that is such a load of crap that he basically has to go as any kind of decision maker.

I would say Kupchak has done pretty well and been fairly adaptive in the new NBA and drafted well. Mind you drafting is tough and most guys are misses even in the lottery. I think Randle, Russell, Clarkson, and Nance Jr are about as much as you can do with the picks we've had. All of them have value still at the very least.

I think Jeanie (who's not going anywhere and doesn't have anyone to fire her anyway) is fine as long as we don't end up replacing Mitch with Phil and watching the greatest coach ever look like Al Davis as a personnel guy.

I'm guessing that JIm is relegated to the background for a year before being dismissed by his sister.
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#11 » by DTouch » Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:33 am

There have been gms and president of operation who have been fired over the yrs that have done alot less dmg than jim/mitch have done for the last 3 yrs. Mitch is still living on his past accomplishments and well jim last name is buss so....while i think Mitch could easily get another gm job elsewhere i honestly cant imagine any other franchise willing to give Jim the same position with that mullet and his hats, Jim has to be the least presentable executive i ever scene outside of Cuban
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Post#12 » by larry14r » Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:43 am

DTouch wrote:There have been gms and president of operation who have been fired over the yrs that have done alot less dmg than jim/mitch have done for the last 3 yrs. Mitch is still living on his past accomplishments and well jim last name is buss so....while i think Mitch could easily get another gm job elsewhere i honestly cant imagine any other franchise willing to give Jim the same position with that mullet and his hats, Jim has to be the presentable executive i ever scene outside of Cuban


First off Jim is still going to be part owner of the Lakers so he'll never go away. Also I wouldn't call our recent draft picks pass accomplishments for Mitch.
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Post#13 » by DTouch » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:03 am

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DTouch wrote:There have been gms and president of operation who have been fired over the yrs that have done alot less dmg than jim/mitch have done for the last 3 yrs. Mitch is still living on his past accomplishments and well jim last name is buss so....while i think Mitch could easily get another gm job elsewhere i honestly cant imagine any other franchise willing to give Jim the same position with that mullet and his hats, Jim has to be the presentable executive i ever scene outside of Cuban


First off Jim is still going to be part owner of the Lakers so he'll never go away. Also I wouldn't call our recent draft picks pass accomplishments for Mitch.

In regards to mitch im referring to the cp3/howard trade and pau trade that netted us two chips...i think those thimgs are his current saving grace
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#14 » by Laker_Kid » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:35 am

Danny Darko wrote:I could not find a link, but ESPN LA Radio played audio of Jim again saying that next year he thinks we'll compete in the west for 2nd round or better.

That is what scares me the most. What if he trades away our young core just to "compete" ASAP? i am neutral on him now, but if that happens, i will forever hate him.
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#15 » by gts1 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:42 pm

Danny Darko wrote:I could not find a link, but ESPN LA Radio played audio of Jim again saying that next year he thinks we'll compete in the west for 2nd round or better. Quite frankly that is such a load of crap that he basically has to go as any kind of decision maker.

That's actually not what he said.. he was commenting on the future and pointed out they have a young core they like, some vets that they'd like to bring back and about 50-60 million in cap room, he said "IF the dominos fall" they will be immediately improved .. he never mentioned the second round next year
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#16 » by slifersd » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:50 pm

I think a shake up in upper management is a must at this point. If nothing else, at least it is going to change our image and perception around the NBA, which is a big deal as free agents, agents and coaches will not want to work for an owner who is a complete idiot. Is Jim the only problem in management? Probably not. But to say the least, he is not smart or good enough to right the ship for us. He might not be the total idiot some call him to be, but he is certainly no genius either.
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#17 » by I_Love_This_Game!! » Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:58 pm

The Lakers organization claims to care about only one thing: championships. If that is true, then they cannot tolerate the embarrassment the team has been the past few years. Period. No free agent will buy into this philosophy if the same person is in charge of the mess the team has been in is still in charge moving forward. To me, that means Jim Buss MUST go. I also think Byron Scott MUST leave under any circumstances. His disdain for the 3 point shot (a must in today's NBA) and failure to develop the team's youth should disqualify him from being coach of this team

The bigger issue in my mind is who to tap for the top position that will make free agents say..."WOW! I want to play for him." Few President / GM's command that type of respect. Pat Riley is certainly able to do this. R. C. Buford too. After winning a championship, Bob Meyers is probably on that list too. Danny Ainge? Maybe. Phil commanded this type of respect before moving into the NYK front office and failing to produce quick results. And...that's about it. Everyone else probably holds no extra-ordinary sway. Except...Mitch. As GM of the Lakers, he has built championship teams. So, I say...fire Jim and Byron. Promote Mitch. Let him hire a new GM and coach.
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Re: Should A Front Office Shake-Up Occur? 

Post#18 » by madmaxmedia » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:42 pm

Maybe what we can hope for is a gradual stepping back by Jim, so he can save face while the franchise still moves forward.

I feel that might be more realistic possibility than him being totally ousted overnight, due to the 3-year thing.

They would have to bring someone new in to basically take over, unless they had it over to Mitch. I like Mitch and think he is a very competent FO guy, but question whether he has the big picture vision and leadership to really lead a franchise like the Lakers forward. The way we messed up our free agent pitches reflects poorly on everyone involved, including Mitch. He may not be in charge, but he or someone else could have stepped up and called BS on whatever presentation they had planned. It may not have made a difference in actually signing anyone, but at least would have left a better impression across the league. I would still like Mitch to be in the org though.

Meanwhile, Jim can still wear his owner's cap, hang out at practices, ostensibly claim some credit for any success that comes, starting with 'his decision' to bring in a new guy to bring some more brains to the FO, be responsible for day to day management, draft war room, meeting with free agents, etc. while he plays more the owner's role (or owner's son's role.)
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Post#19 » by CodyB_ » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:44 pm

I think it's time for Mitch to go.

As many a great trades this guy has made in his tenure, he doesn't seem equipped to develop a team that doesn't already have major star power. He goes for the biggest fish, but the Lakers go hungry if nothing is caught. Or they catch a big but toxic fish that might look and taste nice, but will be a major contract burden and shoot up bricks for the next 3-4 years while the fisherman's basketball team dwells in mediocrity.
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Post#20 » by indilakeshow » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:55 am

ALL HAIL wrote:How do we KNOW who, exactly, is inept -- Kupchak or Jim Buss?

I can guess and say it's Jim Buss, but, objectively speaking, isn't he just an easy target?


Part of the problem is that Kupchak and Buss have essentially wedded themselves together. Kupchak has come out quite a few times in defense of Buss, saying that he (Kupchak) makes the decisions in concert with Buss. If that's truly the case, then you have to fire both of them--unless you elevated Kupchak to the Executive VP role and brought in a new GM, though that would be an amazing case of failing upwards.
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